User:Jaxhere/old stuff/Archive-Apr-2007

Reuquest for help
I've also done a few adjustments with mis-categorized articles from Chile, one town which is actually a city( over 5.000 people), lots of spelling checks, and even a new article about Cerro Sombrero. I think I can literally dump lots of Chilean related contents, specifically from Magallanes region. But I'm not very proficient at structuring my writing, would this be ok? I mean, I write a full raw article, and wait until some else (perhaps you) puts in the proper styling conditions? Obviously I won't go around just talking nonsense, but I think my articles would definitely need some extra hands. I'd appreciate your comments. Kilroytech 18:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If you're going to do a lot of work on settlements you might want to download the report from the INE which has populations of all cities, towns, villages etc in Chile. I recategorized your article on Cerro Sombrero to a village, based on INE definitions.


 * Don't worry a lot about the style of your information, others will polish it up. What's most important is the correctness of your information, and make a point of including verifiable reliable sources in the article whenever you can.


 * One comment I'd make about your articles is that you need to be careful to have them read like an information piece and not an advertising or tourist promotion piece. Instead of saying "The best restaurant in town is XXXXXXX", say "XXXXX restaurant has been rated in the South American Handbook as the best in town" where you attibute the info to a known source.  Instead of saying that "you can spend a nice weekend" provide a list of facitlities or attractions and let the reader decide for themself if it would be nice to spend a weekend there.  This is a rule of wikipedia, so if you want to have your contribution not be chopped down for providing irrelevant material, keep this in mind.  -- J A X HERE  | T a l k] 16:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Interesting
Hi, I've seen all the places where you have been in the past. I'm shocked, that's amazing, I mean, I'd like to be able to travel as much as you. I'm Uruguayan, by the way, but I'm currently living in Catalonia, Spain. I hope you have enjoyed the stay in my country. Greetings, --Gustave - May I help you? 17:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for stopping by, Gustavo. Yes I did enjoy my visit to Uruguay but it was very short and a long time ago. -- J A X HERE | T a l k 17:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Chile: INE Census 2002 Site
I just can't find the detailed census info at INE site, could please provide me the exact URL to use it for other inhabited places within Chile? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kilroytech (talk • contribs) 03:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Sorry, I forgot to sign the previous post. Kilroytech 13:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * They seem to have changed the site since I got the detailed report of the last Census.  It's available at Ciudades, pueblos etc...  It's a hugh pdf file, but there's a lot in it.  -- J A X HERE  | T a l k 17:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, I'll download it and check if it works for my purposes.Kilroytech 17:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Request for revision
I'm not aware if it's considered rude or just not right no ask for an article's revision, but there's no harm in trying. Could you please check my translation for Mount Tarn? Thanks.- Kilroytech 17:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything wrong with your request. Wiki encourages editors to be "Bold" in their efforts, so if I don't respond to cleaning up your article, someone else might. The only harm in asking a specific person (such as myself) is that I have somewhat limited time to spend on Wiki and I might not be able to help a lot in a short time period.

Just a comment about sources. I noticed that you simply copied the sources from the original article as references to your translation. Strictly speaking, I believe, that you should not include other people's sources unless you have verified them yourself. Your source for this article was the andeshandbook site, which is what should be quoted.

Also, since this is an English publication, we should avoid including Spanish language sources whereever we can because other readers might not be able to verify these due to their lack of knowledge of Spanish. I'm not saying spanish sources are not valid, but we should make an effort to find English sources if they are available.

My ideas about the use of sources might be viewed differently by other editors, if you want to pursue this issue further you might want to try the village pump.

I'll try to look over the article when I can find some time.-- J A X HERE | T a l k 17:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your time and answers, I just cited the exact sources from the article at AndesHandbook, because I wrote that article too, so I did personally verified those sources. Spanish sources are an issue I'm aware about, but haven't still found a better source, perhaps I'd just delete them. Hope you do have some time to check the article, I asked you because I'm aware that we've been editing the very same articles, so we must have some interests in common ;) Kilroytech 17:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Cerro Sombrero - Primavera
Should Cerro Sombrero, Chile be merged with Primavera, Chile? Cerro Sombrero is the capital of Primavera, and when comparing to other articles the articles for the comuna, municpality and are nearly allways the same. It would be unnessesary to have 2 articles, but the problem in this case is that they do not have same name. As you have colaborated a lot in the naming convention I would like to hear your opinion. This case could also help to clarify future similar cases. Dentren |  Ta lk  00:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * There's a couple of things that puzzle me about this. First, what is the name of the municipality which runs Primavera?  This isn't spedified in either article?


 * If they are merged, and I tend to agree that there doesn't seem to be much to justify a seperate article for Primavera, there should be a redirect from Primavera to CS.


 * One important point to keep in mind is that Primavera, and all the other comunas, are not settlements, but administrative divisions of the country, some of these comunas contain several settlements, cities, towns, villages and hamlets, but they are not settlements in themselves.


 * I made some minor edits to Primavera. You might find the lone pipe extension useful when you are entering material.  Typing   Cerro Sombrero, Chile  (notice the lone " | " at the end, just before the double brackets?) will produce the same result as  Cerro Sombrero  with a bit less work. J A X HERE  | T a l k 14:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Cerro Sombrero, Chile is IN Primavera, Chile, it's not just the same, I actually have lived there so I do know the difference between a small settlement (Sombrero) a huge land area (Primavera). Kilroytech 15:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Kilroytech, you've misread my message. What is the same is the text produced by using the pipe symbol

( which is → |  ← ) in the wikicode. Read the message again (I've highlighted some parts) and try it in your own sandbox to see the effect if you're still not sure what I'm saying.) J A X HERE | T a l k 15:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Valdivian Coastal Reserve
I created the Valdivian Coastal Reserve article. The name in Spanish is Reserva Costera Valdiviana, should it be translated to Valdivia Coastal Reserve, Valdivian Coastal Reserve, Valdivian Coast Reserve or Valdivia Coast Reserve? And in the case of Santuario Natural Carlos Andwanter? Dentren |  Ta lk  15:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the name you used was fine, the only important change I made was the closest city, which is Valdivia, if I'm not mistaken. As for the other, I suspect the best translation would be Carlos Andwater Nature Sanctuary


 * I might mention, since you're quite enthused about improving Chile's presence in Wikipedia, to put importance on providing sources (hopefully English) for your additions. If we don't we may be faced with a wholesale purging of material simply because sources were not provided.  I'm concerned about this lack of sources in most of the articles I see about Chile.  Perhaps other places aren't much better, but that's no reason to not try to make the Chilean section the best -- J A X HERE  | T a l k 16:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)