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Adaptor proteins, vesicular transport

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Help desk Hello again. There are many examples of wp articles about proteins that have several aliases listed. Many of these were created by ProteinBoxBot about a decade ago and not edited much since. While not being of the mind to do historical research on why the bot selected one name over the other aliases, many of the article names are not what has become the standard name for the protein, and I think the bot just hasn't stayed current. The standard name is listed as an alias, but it is not always obvious that the 2 names are related in any way to the non-specialist reader. So, the question is, what to do about this? Move the article to the standard name? Make redirects from all the aliases to either the current wp article name or the article moved to the standard name? Do nothing, and let non-specialist readers figure out that, for example, p59, GOLPH6 and GRASP55 (which is the standard name) are all aliases for GORASP2? Thanks for guidance. JeanOhm (talk) 01:29, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

If there is now one standard name for a protein, the article should be moved to that name. The article should mention the alternative names. The alternative names should redirect to the article. Where an alternative name is also a name for something else, and has never been much used, it can be ignored; but if it has ever been widely used, hatnotes (for one other meaning) or a disambiguation page (multiple other meanings) can be used. Maproom (talk) 07:48, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

@Maproom: Thank you. Lots of work to do....JeanOhm (talk) 18:37, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

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Project chat Hello. This is my first time here at wikidata, although i've done a fair amount on enwiki. Is there some way of inserting omim ID's into the infoboxes? Thank you. JeanOhm (talk) 19:04, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

@JeanOhm: Do you refer to what we call Online Mendelian Inheritance in Man (Q241953)? You can use OMIM ID (P492) for that. You may want to create a property for this; see Wikidata:Property proposal. Ping me if you need help. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Wow! I thought that learning enwiki was difficult! I'm not sure I can even compose coherent questions about wd! Yes, you got what I meant by omim. I looked at User:Joshbaumgartner/property available summary/400-499 and see that P492 exists as a property (as you indicated above), so why would I need to propose it as a property??? I see GORASP1 (Q18045706) which is, I think, what generates the infobox on en:GRASP65 The info box has a section "identifiers". Under that heading, there are "aliases" and "External IDs". There are 3 entries in the External IDs "MGI 1921748", "HomoloGene 49916" and "GeneCards GORASP1". There should, IMHO, be a fourth "OMIM 606867". I see on Q18045706 that the HomoloGene number appears under "Statements" "HomoloGene ID". I see that GORASP1 appears under "Identifiers" "HGNC gene symbol" and several other places. However, I can't see how/where the MGI number appears. So, 3 diffefrent numbers, one appears by magic, and the other 2 appear in 2 different locations. Needless to say, I'm completely unsure how to incorporate the omim entry! I suspect that I am missing something incredibly basic, but can't figure out what. Please help this lost soul if you can! Thank you. JeanOhm (talk) 22:25, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Wow2!!! This is looking more and more like magic! I turned my attention to the next page on my list, en:GRASP55 a "sister" of the one I wrote about above. I decided to be bold and tried to stumble around the wd page for the info box at GORASP2 (Q18037865) until I figured out how to insert an omim. After failing multiple ways, I finally stumbled upon the solution. I clicked on the "add" after the list of "statements" and before the list of "identifiers". That allowed me to enter the P492 and correct omim number. Clicked save, looked at the GRASP55 page, and, there it is! The omim entry in the external IDs "OMIM: 608693 MGI: 2135962 HomoloGene: 9180 o GeneCards: GORASP2" Whoopee! But, why the omim appears first, when I added it last is beyond me. Also, why I now don't see the omim on the wd page is beyond me. Finally, note that in my initial flailing around, I've managed to insert an "o" between "9180" and "GeneCards", which doesn't ruin the function of the infobox but screams out "some newbie didn't know what they were doing!" So, if you can figure out how to remove that "o" I'd appreciate it, and promise not to do it again! On to the the GRASP65 wd page! Be afraid, be very afraid....8-) JeanOhm (talk) 03:30, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: YES!!! I just added the omim number to the GRASP65/GORASP1 wd page without adding an "o"!!!!!! However, it still appears first in the list, which doesn't bother me at all, except for the appearane of magic. So, this thread has been simplified to how to remove the "o". Thank you. JeanOhm (talk) 03:40, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@JeanOhm: Where are you seeing the "o"? Can you check it's still there, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:49, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Sorry; I meant to say "Otherwise you may want to create a property..." Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:43, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@pigsonthewing: The "o" is no longer there! More magic??? 8-) Thanks, JeanOhm (talk) 18:35, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Help desk#how to insert "show"/"hide" in infoboxes

Hello again. This question was prompted by the infobox at GRASP55, but I am sure it applies elsewhere. In some parts of that infobox there is a "show" "button" (I'm a newbie. I don't know what it should be properly called.) Clicking it displays more info and a "hide" button. That's all cool. But, in that saame infobox, there is the section "RNA expression pattern" which has no show/hide buttons, but instead displays 3 panels with a link to an outside source for even more data. Considering that just that part of the infobox takes up more space than the entire text of the article, I think that there should be a "show' button to the right of the "RNA expression pattern" text to allow readers to see the data, but not automatically display the data. Does that make sense? If so, how can that be done? (Yes, I'm intending to upgrade the article with more images.) Thank you. JeanOhm (talk) 22:19, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi JeanOhm. I think the only way to do this is to make a request for the underlying template to be changed. Certainly the template's documentation is opaque. You might post to Template talk:Infobox gene, or maybe better yet, Module talk:Infobox gene which has more page watchers. Looking at the Lua module, I am guessing its added by a similar attribute to the one provided to create the Gene ontology section which has that option, probably the ":attr('class', 'collapsible collapsed')", but it's mostly Greek to me. (Side note: I am personally highly suspect of anything here that calls information automatically from a different project like Wikidata, and requires changes or corrections (or the reverting of vandalism) at that different project.) Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) Best not to use scrolling lists or collapsible sections to conceal content only in the article one time MOS:DONTHIDE. That said collapsible sections not collapsed in mobile view......that is now 50% of views.--Moxy (talk) 23:09, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@Moxy:Oh my! 50% mobile views! That makes me feel way older than just a few minutes ago! I just looked at an article that is mostly my work Vesicular transport adaptor protein. It looks great on a computer (I realize I may be biased), but really silly in mobile view. I invited several experienced editors to look at the article, and none of them brought up this issue of silliness on mobile view. Do you (or anybody else viewing this) know what the "culture" is among mobile viewers? Do mobile viewers just think "Oh well, this is still better than sitting at a desk" and accept the silliness, or does it discourage them from reading a poorly-organized article? It doesn't seem to me that there is a way to make articles look great on a desk and a mobile device. I certainly don't want to eliminate images just to make the presentation of text better on mobile devices. I'd appreciate any advice. Thank you. JeanOhm (talk) 02:59, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@JeanOhm: The computer/mobile split varies a lot by subject. Page view statistics in the history of Vesicular transport adaptor protein has a "Platform" selector where you can see computer or mobile views. Around 90% are computer. Pop culture topics can have a large mobile majority. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:45, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: THANK YOU! I don't feel as old as yesterday. I am perfectly comfortable admitting that I am not attuned to pop culture. JeanOhm (talk) 01:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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 * Hello. I've created the page BioPlex. The output of protein-protein interactions that are "open" on that site can be a wonderful addition to the "interactions" sections of wp articles about proteins. However, they are copyrighted to the "Gygi Lab 2016-17" at this site. I have contacted Dr. Gygi at Harvard using my personal e-mail asking if he approved of posting screen shots of the resulting protein-protein interaction networks on the commons. He replied "I don't care about posting any of these to the internet as screen shots. I believe those images should be available to you or anyone to use."
 * I have to believe that me telling you that isn't enough.....
 * So, what to do next? Should I forward the e-mail thread to someone who will guarantee my anonymity? Thank you.JeanOhm (talk) 19:00, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The Commons:OTRS system is intended for this. An email with an acceptable license declaration should to be sent directly from the copyright holder to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. Commons:Email templates gives the preferred format for this email. Commons:OTRS#If you are NOT the copyright holder outlines the sequence to follow to associate your screenshots with the license declaration. Verbcatcher (talk) 23:34, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

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Help desk Hello again. I know how to use the # to link to subsections of articles. However, I can't get any farther. For example, I know how to link to the types of tubulin section of the Tubulin article, but I can't get links to more specific subsections. For example, I tried to use γ-Tubulin to link to the γ-Tubulin subsection, but it doesn't work. Is there some wiki code that allows linking to sub-subsections? Thank you. JeanOhm (talk) 02:57, 8 June 2017 (UTC) You just omit the name of the higher-level section(s) completely, giving γ-Tubulin

Help desk Hello again. I'm working on an article with a reference that will become open on 2017-09-15. The only way I've been able to stumble upon to include that info is to write "(openly available on 2017-09-15)" at the end of the title of the paper. Is there a better way? Thanks, JeanOhm (talk) 03:25, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

This one?

The first thing I noticed about that cite is the inclusion of extraneous text in |title=Golgi membrane-associated degradation pathway in yeast and mammals (openly available on 2017-09-15). Don't do that. |title= should hold only the article title. Any editorial comments belong outside of the cs1|2 template.

You might add |pmc=5282831 and |embargo=2017-09-15:

Yamaguchi H, Arakawa S, Kanaseki T, Miyatsuka T, Fujitani Y, Watada H, Tsujimoto Y, Shimizu S (2016). "Golgi membrane-associated degradation pathway in yeast and mammals". The EMBO Journal. 35 (18): 1991–2007. . ..

After 15 September, the PMC identifier will automatically link to the pubmed copy of the article. —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:45, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2GoIoQVWWE Randy Schekman 4:45 "very favorable example" 5:26 "favorable examples"  7:30 freeze fracture of membrane fusion  15:00 section of yeast showing ER and Golgi labeled  28:00 comparing yeasst/mammalian proteins involved in fusion. 30:10 golgi stack