User:Joseph A. Spadaro/Sandbox/Page98

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''Hi. Thanks. So, here is my issue. (Sorry that it is so long.) Please help.''

''Note: The words that I am using right now (i.e., me "speaking" to you right now) are in italics. Words that are not in italics (i.e., regular font) are items posted throughout Wikipedia (on my Talk Page, etc.) that I "cut-and-pasted" here onto this page below. Thanks.''

''First, a little background and back story. I created an article. (Here: Disappearance of Jennifer Dulos.)  Another editor -- User:Poveglia -- put it up for "deletion". (Here: Articles for deletion/Disappearance of Jennifer Dulos.)  In the deletion debate, we "argued" a bit, where he felt that the article should be deleted; I felt that it should not be deleted. Other people weighed in. And everyone else who piped in (about 3 or 4 people) agreed with me that the article should not be deleted. So, the nominating editor (User:Poveglia) withdrew the deletion request and closed it as "speedy keep". Because I "won" the debate, I suspect that he got upset with me and wanted to "pay me back". Here is what transpired immediately after the closure of the deletion debate.''

''He started to "stalk" and harass me on Wikipedia. He started going through each and every one of my old edits. He went back several months (I think, to May 2019 or so). And he "found" various "problems" with my old edits.''

He posted this on my Talk Page:

Copyright
In this edit you introduced copyrighted text from thepeoplesledger.com. Please make a list of the articles you've added copyrighted text to. Thank you, Poveglia (talk) 04:53, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

This edit is a copypaste from here Poveglia (talk) 05:27, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

''So, Number 1 ... he started to "research" all of my old edits. And, Number 2 ... he is requesting / demanding from me a list of all of the articles that I have edited and "added copyrighted text to".''

''I did not reply to him. And I deleted the item off of my Talk Page.''

Then, he posts the following to my Talk Page:

Even more copyright violations
In this edit you added the text:

"Clarus expects JATENZO to be available in U.S. pharmacies before the end of the year."

The source says:

"Clarus expects JATENZO to be available in U.S. pharmacies before the end of the year."

and then you changed it a bit to:

"Clarus expects Jatenzo to be available in U.S. pharmacies before the end of 2019.".

Please read WP:Close paraphrasing. I noticed you removed my previous message, but you have yet to clean up the copyright violations I mentioned.

Please make a list of the articles you've added copyrighted text to. Poveglia (talk) 05:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

In the Survivor guilt article mentioned previously you also added text from an article on aol.com Poveglia (talk) 06:13, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

In this edit you added the text:

"Singing that is dubbed, however, does not affect the actor’s eligibility for an award unless the singing constitutes the actor’s entire performance."

The PDF you link to contains the text:

"Singing that is dubbed will not affect the performer’s eligibility unless it constitutes the entire performance. "

Another example, the PDF contains the sentence:

"The determination as to whether a role is a leading or supporting role shall be made individually by members of the branch at the time of balloting."

and your edit contains: "The distinction as to whether a particular role is a leading role or a supporting role is made individually by members of the Academy’s Actors Branch at the time of voting."

Poveglia (talk) 06:20, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

I just learned that using stuff from the US government is ok as long as you add the PD-notice. That is done so the edit on the Testosterone undecanoate article is fixed now. Poveglia (talk) 15:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

''So, he continues to "research" my old edits. He "finds" some "issues / problems" with my old edits. He again asks me to provide him a list of all the past articles that I have edited. And, furthermore, he states that I "haven't yet" fixed the issues that he's brought to my attention. Specifically, he states: "but you have yet to clean up the copyright violations I mentioned".''

This item, I did not erase off of my Talk Page.

''Then, I posted an "admin help" template on my Talk Page. And he "replied" to my "admin help" request, with his own editorial notes. See below.''

Admin help
I need the help of an admin. Please. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:49, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll ping one for you: . Poveglia (talk) 05:50, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It is usually recommended to actually post a request or question when using that template. Now when an admin shows up the admin doesn't know what you want and why. Poveglia (talk) 05:52, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Seconded. I am an admin, and I have no idea what it is that you needed. Please re-add the  tag with an explanation of what you need from one of us. Thanks. –Darkwind (talk) 07:08, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

''So, the responding admin "agreed with" (i.e., "seconded") the sentiments of User:Poveglia. And the responding admin removed the "admin help" template from my Talk Page.''

''Then, I went to the Wikipedia Help Desk and posted a question seeking admin help. And he replied to my request there, also. See below.''

How do I contact an administrator?
Is there any way for me to contact an administrator, other than by use of the "admin help" template? I have a problem that I need some help with, and I don't want to "advertise" the problem on my Talk Page. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, for example you can send a WP:EMAIL, or go on WP:IRC. If you want to talk to a specific person onwiki you can use use WP:PING. But evading scrutiny, like it sounds like you are trying to do, is not a good idea. Poveglia (talk) 14:21, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Why do you not want to advertise the problem that you've been caught violating copyrights on your talk page? Poveglia (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Please assume good faith. There are a number of legitimate reasons why someone may want to make such a request in private. Spadaro has been an editor for just over 12 years. So I'm sure they're not entirely clueless to how things work around here.
 * If you would like, you can send a private email message to and it will be answered from one of the members of our volunteer response team.   G M G  talk  14:32, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * AGF is not a suicide pact. You obviously don't know the "problem" Spadaro is talking about; its the fact I caught him violating copyright. If he's been doing that for 12 years we have a big problem. Poveglia (talk) 14:33, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * On a side-note: I'm pretty sure not all OTRS members are admins, and I'd guess they'd be the minority of OTRS volunteers. Poveglia (talk) 14:36, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

''Then, I contacted someone that I know is an admin (User:PrimeHunter), on their Talk Page. And, soon thereafter, he -- User:Poveglia, that is -- also (coincidentally) goes to the same Talk Page to post a note to the same admin. See below ... which comes from User talk:PrimeHunter.''

Question
Hi. You have helped me quite a few times on the Help Desk. Thanks. I suspected that you were an administrator. And, upon double checking, I see that you are. I need the help of an administrator. Are you willing to help me? Or can you direct me to someone who can? I tried using the "admin help" template on my Talk Page. But, I don't really want to "advertise" my problem / issue. Let me know if you can help. If so, we can keep the conversation on your Talk Page, not mine. And I will come back here and check for a reply from you. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:33, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have limited activity in admin areas but you can try asking here. I'm not editing for some hours. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:54, 12 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Oh, ok.  I had assumed that you were an experienced administrator.  Which is what I am seeking.  Do you know of any (experienced administrators) that might be willing to help me?   Thanks.    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:06, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Help with what? Maybe Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to investigate copyright matters. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks.  No, nothing to do with copyright.  Problems I am having with another Wikipedia editor.  Do you know of any (experienced administrators) that might be willing to help me?  Thanks.   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:30, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * If you are not trying to get them blocked then it sounds like a matter for Dispute resolution, not something to privately contact an admin about. Several admins (only AGK mentions it) are listed at Editor assistance. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:37, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Tea
Hello! You made me curious with your edit here; which features do not work on talkpages but do work on articles? Poveglia (talk) 17:04, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Notably VisualEditor: VisualEditor. Reference errors are not shown on talk pages: Help:Cite errors. Many templates make namespace checks, e.g. using Namespace detect or Main other, and behave differently outside mainspace (but often the same on user and user talk). Talk pages are for discusssions and confusion can happen otherwise. For example, "Subpages" at the bottom of user contributions is expected to show userspace drafts but doesn't show user talk subpages. An archive search like the top of this page searches all user talk subpages but isn't expected to search drafts. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:27, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you; I learned something today! I (like many others) am not a huge fan of the VisualEditor because I am a bear of very little brain so I had not read that page. Poveglia (talk) 18:29, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

''Then, he goes to my Talk Page and adds an "admin help" template, stating that he and I "agree" to this. See below. And the current state of my Talk Page is here: User talk:Joseph A. Spadaro.''

Admin help
I need the help of an admin. Please. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:49, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll ping one for you: . Poveglia (talk) 05:50, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It is usually recommended to actually post a request or question when using that template. Now when an admin shows up the admin doesn't know what you want and why. Poveglia (talk) 05:52, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Seconded. I am an admin, and I have no idea what it is that you needed. Please re-add the  tag with an explanation of what you need from one of us. Thanks. –Darkwind (talk) 07:08, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

If you find an administrator, any administrator, who is willing to deal with this problem and do a contributor copyright investigation if necessary then I am happy to let them do the (dirty) work. It's not exactly fun, digging up old diffs and googling sentences. Poveglia (talk) 17:09, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Joseph and I are in agreement about one thing: It would be good if a random uninvolved admin would step in here and talk to him. I listed a few copyright problems above, those can easily be fixed by an admin. Please rewrite the content a bit where there is WP:Close paraphrasing or copypasta. Please ask Joseph if this happened anywhere else and if so where and help him fix it where necessary. Thank you, and sorry for dumping this task on you. Poveglia (talk) 22:54, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

''So, basically, he is "following me around" Wikipedia (i.e., "stalking" me). And creating problems. And "searching for" all sorts of "problems" in my old edits. And interjecting himself into my conversations, posts, Talk Page, etc. And putting words into my mouth in the "admin help" template request. And posting stuff on my Talk Page, giving the misleading impression that it was posted by me. Etc. Etc. Etc. ''

I have not spoken even one single word to him, once the original "deletion discussion" closed.

I just want him to leave me alone.

''Please advise. Please help.''

Thanks.

Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:56, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Update:    ''The following two sections were added to my Talk Page today  (Saturday, September 14, 2019). (See below.) Since this editor (User:Poveglia) "monitors" every edit that I make, I assume he came to this Sand-Box Page and read it. And then posted the following to my Talk Page.''

Attack page
Please do not add content or create pages that attack, threaten, or disparage their subject. Attack pages and files are not tolerated by Wikipedia and are speedily deleted. Users who create or add such material will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you. Poveglia (talk) 17:23, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You might as well describe what actually happened: I made the mistake of answering your question on the helpdesk. Later when I nominated an article it turned out you had written it and you started harassing and attacking me for no other reason than that I believe we should a bit stricter about which crimes are worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. I had just found an example of close paraphrasing on the The 1619 Project so when I saw that section about copyright problems on your talkpage I loaded up a bunch of tabs with mainspace edits from around that same date. I found quite a few problematic sentences but after a while Firefox crashed and I was too bored to continue and start a full WP:CCI (which was the intention). Because you acted so weird I decided to let an admin handle it. Poveglia (talk) 17:42, 14 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, Joseph,
 * Editors are allowed to compile "evidence" about other editors for a limited amount of time if they are putting together a complaint or a dispute case. But then it must be deleted after it is filed. I'll give you two weeks to either file a complaint against Poveglia, if that is your intention, or drop the matter. After 9/28, this page must either be blanked by you or it will be deleted. And yes, I am an admin. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 19:04, 14 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I am not sure what you are talking about. Please explain.  Thanks.   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:08, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Stop it
Consider this an informal one-way interaction ban; stop harassing me, annoying me, insulting me and talking to me. You are no longer welcome on my talkpage and please don't ping me. Poveglia (talk) 18:02, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

''Update:  (again)        So, today --- Sunday, September 15, 2019 --- I noticed that that editor (User:Poveglia) placed a template on THIS Sand-Box page of mine. The template is. That template produces this pink header at the top of the page: Template:Db-g10. This template ALSO has the effect of blanking this Sand-Box page entirely (i.e., erasing all of its content). Another editor -- an admin -- then deleted that "attack" template off of the page with an edit summary that says: "I don't think this is an attack page. Editors are allowed to compile information regarding editors they are in a dispute with for a reasonable amount of time to put together complaints.".''

''Clearly, this is further evidence that he is "following" all of my edits, each and every one, one-by-one  ... which I call "stalking".''