User:Kartsriv/sandbox six

Hello, I've spoken with several extremely competent admins and they all made more or less the same point which is "we summarize what independent reliable sources say, and they say it's suicide". Which in my personal opinion is totally fair but there is a slight problem regarding that. This particular case got into this peculiar mess which most admins won't realize and that is because they are not from India. Only Indians are unfortunate enough to witness our crappy main stream news TV networks who paint as if the reality is that he was murdered in daylight. This brainwashes all of the people. The reason I wasn't brainwashed is because I don't watch TV. I've disconnected cable cause I am studying and I personally never watched any movies of the Actor and that is because I don't even know the language of the movies he makes in the first place. Weird, huh? Then why the heck was I fighting like a donkey with top notch admins/editors who helped me multiple times before with different articles here at Wiki. It's not like I was having fun doing it. I don't gain anything by annoying them. It's because of one damn edit I made. Let me explain. After I made that edit, User 331dot undid it and I asked him why. He responded by explaining why and then I actually understood what he meant and was about to continue my day peacefully. But then one twitter user found the edit I made and posted it on twitter and then another twitter user found my user page and guess what.......My bloody twitter handle is in there and he tagged me on a tweet exactly when you guys added Extended Confirmed Protection and said I had 500+ edits so I can edit the Actor's page and this is the start of the massive saga of me trying to edit this actor's cause of death.

I opened twitter to contact College Board because for some reason I couldn't register for SAT. Only to notice 50 notifications, since I had only 10 followers I was surprised and clicked on them to see a bajillion people asking me for their help. One thing I want to point out is I didn't know much bout this actor and I just thought of ignoring it until I saw what was trending. The words "Wikipedia Sushant Was Killed". I was genuinely scared for a minute. What the hell happened? How did Wikipedia kill this actor? Did his Wikipedia article show something embarrassing bout him which pushed him towards suicide? Did Jimbo kill him? I was confused as f**k. Now normally I'd go to Wikipedia to know more bout this actor but I couldn't because apparently Wikipedia is showing "false" information (According to twitter, not me). Look, I come to wiki to read some articles on science. If I find a mistake or something which could be explained better. I edit it. That's it. I just do it occasionally. Sometimes I report vandals but nothing more. I don't get into dramas. Since I didn't wanna ignore them and trust me you don't wanna ignore furious Indians. So, I tweeted stating exactly this: "I do have extended confirmed user access but I still can't change it because AIIMS has properly told the media that it was a suicide" and added a link to support what I just said and THINGS WENT BONKERS. As of now my tweet impressions have increased by 9209350%. Yes, you're reading it right. 9.2 million percent. Don't believe me? Have a look for yourself. This is when I knew I gotta do something so I thought of systematically doing everything. Trying to reason out with the admins and stuff. Okay so do I believe he was killed? I don't have a filipin clue cause I didn't know this actor before a few days ago. Does it really matter? Again I am not sure. If there are sufficient news articles stating that he had suicided then I think Wikipedia should put it as Suicide and that's what the editor did. So let's cut to the chase.

What are my intentions?

My intentions:


 * Not to encourage conspiracy theories such as murder or Bollywood master plan or whatever the internet believes


 * Want to state actual facts

'''Am I Neutral? Is my point of view neutral?'''

You can't find a more neutral person than me from India in the current situation and that's because I haven't watched or admired his movies much. I am from the other part of India with a different language. I'll be honest here, if this same controversy is surrounding Heath Ledger, Chester Bennington or Mac Miller then I would lose my nuts. I would indeed be emotional because these people's content is something I really enjoy and admire but that is not the case with Sushant Singh Rajput. I am very neutral. Please feel free to correct my points. I juust want the right facts on board not some weird hypnotic conspiracy theory.

What am I proposing to do?

The problem is regarding sources. To understand all the sources. I wrote a python script to weed out citations and sources not relating to his death and this is the data I obtained. I also physically checked it to verify its accuracy. I'd like to point out that this doesn't come under original research as there is an exception to this case. Read Compiling facts and information to know more. Now you are left with only 12 citations and all of them support the Suicide. These are the sources which admins are referring to as "we summarize what independent reliable sources say, and they say it's suicide". I am going help admins and editors understand the problems with these source.

Before that I want to apologize to all Wikipedians in behalf of all Indians who were constantly annoying you by demanding edits. I am trying my best to reason out here. The following are the cites which state that the actor died by suiciding. The following lines under Fact(s) are quoted from their respective links.
 * Cite #7

Free Press Journal: Sushant Singh Rajput’s Death: Complete timeline of investigation from June 14 till present day

Fact(s)


 * 1) Mumbai Police concluded that it was indeed a suicide and there no foul play was found.

Debunk: According to the law, whatever the Mumbai Police found is disregarded since the case has been transferred to CBI. Read this document from CBI which confirms what I stated in the previous statement. Why was this not reported by any news article? It is because it's such a common fact among Indians. People's cases usually get transferred to CBI if there is corruption found in the Police Department. Click here to find a similar case. So what matters here is the finding of CBI and the CBI told they have not concluded it yet.


 * Cite #22

BBC: Sushant Singh Rajput: Federal probe ordered into Bollywood star's death

Fact(s):


 * 1) It has led to a tussle over who has jurisdiction to investigate - police in Mumbai or his home state Bihar.
 * 2) A single judge bench of the Supreme Court said that the Bihar government was competent to request the case be transferred to the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI)

Debunk: Nothing here really. It says Bihar and Mumbai Police investigated it initially and now it has requested the case to be transferred to CBI. I want to mention that nothing here in this article which is confirming "Suicide".


 * Cite #188

Hindustan Times: Sushant Singh Rajput’s postmortem report submitted, actor’s family arrives in Mumbai

Facts(s)


 * 1) The postmortem of actor Sushant Singh Rajput has been conducted at Mumbai’s Dr RN Cooper Municipal General Hospital. A senior police official has said that cause of death is “asphyxia due to hanging”.
 * 2) The actor’s family arrived in Mumbai from Patna on Sunday night. The 34-year-old actor was found dead at his residence on Sunday.

Debunk: Nothing here too. This article doesn't confirm Suicide. It confirms "asphyxia due to hanging".


 * Cite #190

India Today: Sushant Singh Rajput died 10 -12 hours before postmortem: Doctors to Mumbai Police

Fact(s):


 * 1) The doctors of Cooper Hospital Mumbai told Mumbai Police on August 5 that Sushant Singh Rajput died 10-12 hours before the postmortem.

Debunk: This would affect the case but as far as we are concerned. This doesn't confirm suicide.


 * Cite #191

Mumbai Mirror: Sushant Singh Rajput’s death: Forensic Science Laboratory rules out foul play, focus now on suicide abetment charge

Facts(s):


 * 1) Forensic Science Laboratory (FSL) in Kalina has out ruled homicide
 * 2) FSL’s report states that there was no trace of any harmful or toxic chemicals and/or drugs in Rajput’s viscera samples.

Debunk: This is interesting. An Article which ruled out homicide? There is a catch. This article says Forensic Science Laboratory has ruled out homicide not the Police/CBI or any other credible organizations. In fact, Forensic Science Laboratory was under CBI and CBI has not concluded anything yet. Hence, finding by FSL won't confirm anything. There is one more reason to debunk this article but I will put that in the next cite because it is similar to this one.


 * Cite #192

Deccan Herald: Viscera report rules out foul play in Sushant death: Official

Fact(s):


 * 1) The viscera report of late Bollywood actor Sushant Singh Rajput has ruled out any foul play in his death here last month, a police official said on Monday.

Debunk: Same reasons as the above cite (#191) but I want to add another point. CBI had only 20% of the viscera to do any tests hence the credibility is questioned.


 * Cite #195 and Cite #196

India Today: Sushant Singh Rajput family vs Rhea Chakraborty case verdict: SC allows CBI probe into SSR death

Bar and Bench: [Breaking Sushant Singh Rajput: CBI probe into FIR against Rhea Chakraborty lawful; Mumbai Police to hand over all evidence, Supreme Court ]

Fact(s):


 * 1) The Supreme Court pronounced its verdict on the Sushant Singh Rajput family vs Rhea Chakraborty case.

Debunk: This is not related to his death. It is related to Rhea and SSR's family so hence it doesn't confirm Suicide.


 * Cite #199 and Cite #200

India Today: Sushant Singh Rajput murder completely ruled out, it was suicide: Dr Sudhir Gupta of AIIMS

Hindustan Times: AIIMS report on Sushant Singh Rajput death: Who said what

Facts(s):


 * 1) Dr Sudhir Gupta, who led the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) panel re-evaluating Sushant Singh Rajput's post-mortem and viscera reports, has said it was a case of suicide and the murder angle has been completely ruled out.

Debunk: This is very important and a strong point so pay attention please.


 * 1) Dr Sudhir Gupta doesn't represent AIIMS: AIIMS said that it's findings have been summitted to the CBI and press may collect the information from them.
 * 2) Dr Gupta has history of flipping statements.
 * 3) The articles clearly states that it is Gupta who confirmed not AIIMS. Hence, it is not reliable.


 * Cite #201

ANI: SSR death case: Medical board submitted report directly to CBI, can obtain inputs from bureau, says AIIMS

Fact(s);


 * 1) SSR death case: Medical board submitted report directly to CBI, can obtain inputs from bureau, says AIIMS

Debunk: Totally True. In fact this article helps me in debunking the previous cite. Though I'd like to point out that ANI has a strong history on misinformation. Take a look at it's own Wikipedia page where they show cases of Propaganda, Misinformation, Forging Clip, etcetera which were confirmed by Poynter Institute's International Fact-Checking Network (IFCN).


 * Cite #202

Free Press Journal: Reports on Sushant Singh Rajput case 'speculative and erroneous': CBI

Fact(s):


 * 1) “CBI continues to investigate the death of Rajput. There are certain speculative reports in the media that the CBI has reached a conclusion. It may be reiterated that these reports are speculative and erroneous,”

Debunk: So true. CBI didn't reach any conclusions yet. Suicide has not been confirmed.

I believe I have given sufficient explanation and sources on why "Suicide" is not confirmed. It is my request to change the cause of death to under investigation. There is no proper sources which confirm suicide. The ones which do are speculative or reported early. As of now, CBI (The current holder of the case) has not confirmed. Hence, it would be fair to wait until the investigation gets over. We cannot assume he suicided nor he had been murdered. Let's just say the investigation has not been concluded. Sorry for being too long. Just want things to be clear. Thanks for reading. -