User:Keefer4/todo

This will be a to-do list for User:Keefer4.

Cats (meow)
(incomplete subdivisions, but thoughts so far...)

Hope you don't mind me adding comments (brief ones).Skookum1 23:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC) Category:Geographic regions of British Columbia
 * Category:Coast of British Columbia
 * Category:Vancouver Island.
 * Category:Lower Mainland
 * Category:Sunshine Coast
 * Category:North Coast - this probably has to be Category:North Coast of British Columbia: see North Coast as to why.
 * Category:Central Coast - this probably has to be Category:Central Coast of British Columbia; no apparent need for "South Coast" even though that exists as a term as it's inclusive of Lower MainlandSkookum1: see Central Coast as to why (not as bad as North Coast, though, maybe).
 * Category:Queen Charlotte Islands - should be a subcat of Category:North Coast of British Columbia, no?Skookum1
 * Category:Interior of British Columbia (ref article: British Columbia Interior)
 * Category:Kootenay (NB should be subcat of Category:Columbia River and maybe should include Kootenai River/basin related items)
 * Category:West Kootenay
 * Category:East Kootenay
 * Category:Slocan
 * Category:Arrow Lakes (?)
 * historically Category:Big Bend of British Columbia was part of the Kootenay Land District from the start, but I've never thought of it as Kootenays, nor Revelstoke; though I do think of Golden that way, perhaps incorrectly (??).Skookum1 23:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Okanagan
 * Category:Similkameen Country
 * Category:Shuswap Country
 * Category:Boundary Country
 * Category:Cariboo
 * Category:Chilcotin
 * Category:Fraser Canyon
 * Category:Lillooet Country
 * Category:Big Bend of British Columbia; ok that works but should be a subcat of Category:Columbia River also, as perhaps Category:Kootenay (not East/West Kootenay? West Kootenay including Arrow Lake-Slocan I'd imagine; generally Category:Boundary Country (which will have a lot of entries in the long run btw, because of the mines/towns/railcos) but that's also "in its own right" because of even older ties to the Similkameen, and some consider it part of the Okanagan (like the Similkameen) :=|
 * Category:Thompson Country
 * I think there's already Category:Kamloops which should be a subcat; there is a "Kamloops Country" subset of the Thompson, and includes everything west of Little Shuswap and Adams Lake; not sure if it's as definable of if Thompson Country will suffice. Lytton's technically in it btw but in general parlance I don't think anyone by "the Thompson" means anything much further downstream from spences Bridge, or maybe even Shaw Springs; because Lytton's so clearly in the Fraser Canyon...even ifa lot of people think of Lytton-Ashcroft as "the Fraser Canyon", which is going to no doubt cause problems at some point. :-|Skookum1
 * Category:Northern British Columbia(?)
 * Category:North Coast (dbl)
 * Category:Omineca
 * Category:Stikine
 * Category:Bulkley Valley
 * Category:Skeena(?) yup, works for me.
 * Category:Nass
 * Category:Peace Country
 * Category:Cassiar District
 * Category:Nechako
 * Category:Atlin Country or Category:Atlin DistrictSkookum1

Remaining issue is the Alaska Highway Corridor west from Muncho Lake to Lower Post, where the highway hits the Yukon and BAM!! you're in Watson Lake after a couple of thousand miles of not much...that's not really part of the Cassiar District though in administrative terms it probably is; what is it - the Liard? But that's a region that spans BC, YT and the NWT. Fort Nelson's part of the Peace Country, though not in the basin of the Peace River right? i.e. by dint of being in the Peace River Block, that sector of land added to the colony in whatever year it was (and too bad Douglas didn't get his way and get Alberta as he was trying to wangle out of London...). Atlin's another one that's eventually going to have a lot of entries; I'm always tempted to throw Skagway and Haines and Hyder and Dyea into the Category:Colony of British Columbia cat (must exist by now - ?? thought Fishhead64 would have done it if anyone), just for fun, as they weren't officially part of the United States until 1903 and were at least nominally part of BC, and in real-use terms were until the onslaught of the Americans who overran what was supposed to be the Colony of British Columbia, and before that oh-so-briefly the Stikine Territory, which yeah, used to include part of Yukon too. Always seen it as a pity that WAC didn't grandstand his way to semi-independence over the Columbia River Treaty and walk away with the Yukon as part of the deal ;-) Mind you, I've always seen it as a pity that London waffled on the Columbia River boundary, and demurred during the Civil War on preparations to retake Puget Sound if war broke out between the UK and US on the Atlantic, as it was about to during the Trent Affair...then there's this business of the Russian Navy showing up in SF during the Civil War, and that for sure made the Royal Navy go "no way" to a Puget Sound agenda, even had London shown interest (unless they sent another squadron and some landing troops, for war in earnest....but that wasn't London's style).  So, all the categories look great; I see you chose Similkameen Country and maybe that's best for the article too; Similkameen District can even be a mini-disambig if I can think of a third entry, maybe just the Boundary-Similkameen District, even if that's ultimately a redirect to the electoral district (historically, early on, it was tied together, before the Okanagan and parts east were settled, though). "Country" is probably the safest usage in all cases because of confusion with the Land Districts and Regional Districts and Mining Districts; Cassiar Mining District and Stikine Mining District and Atlin Mining District and so on articles can exist, partly because we can dig up lists of officers/comissioners and also reported earnings, number of mines etc. Gotta get at Gold Commissioner, too....comlicated but to me "high" priority even to get done as a stub; the main colonial-era and early-provincial-era honcho out in the landscape, one-man government; and an interesting cast of characters, too.Skookum1 23:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Terminals
Precedent: Category:SkyTrain, if land matters, why not sea?

Also, South Ferry (Manhattan)

List of ferry terminals in British Columbia
 * Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal- (created it, now add to)
 * One old joke was that if "The Angle" hadn't been there - the just into the centre of the Strait by the international boundary, they just would have built it all the way to Galiano and done bridges from there to Duncan...of course Georgia Strait bridge proposals is a worthy article subject, but I can't stomach the cast of characters (Pat McGeer et al. - he has a stub but no juicy bio yet btw; his latest climate-change denial was typical); the terminal is just north of the boundary, or even perhaps just over it, or its jetties are; there's also a subtreaty of some kind between the US and Canada (or WA and BC) about transitting the waters of The Angle; there shouldn't have to be, since the Oregon Treaty stipulates that all commercial shipping (including passenger services) south of the 49th Parallel out to the sea is supposed to be unharrassed; this wasn't followed during the Salmon War either, when Canadian fishing and whalewatching boats were arrested by the Coast Guard near the San Juans; obviously the Oregon Treaty's clauses are only useful when they're wanted to be, huh? Anyway.....Skookum1 22:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Swartz Bay Ferry Terminal- (created it, now add to)
 * one news item on this from long ago had to do with ship vibrations affecting residents and buildings/foundations in the area; I think the same copy also came up with Horseshoe Bay but I can't remember how long ago; on BCTV/Global, maybe late '80s.Skookum1 22:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Horseshoe Bay Ferry Terminal (The Oak Bay thing, duh)
 * Departure Bay Ferry Terminal (92' fatal car ramp accident)
 * Bear Cove Ferry Terminal-nr Pt. Hardy
 * Duke Point Ferry Terminal
 * Langdale ferry terminal
 * Fulford Harbour ferry terminal (Salt Spring)
 * Long Harbour ferry terminal (Salt Spring)
 * Sturdies Bay ferry terminal (Galiano Isl.)
 * Montague Harbour ferry terminal (not in use anymore by BC Ferries) (Galiano Isl.)
 * Otter Bay ferry terminal (N. Pender Isl.)
 * Village Bay ferry terminal (Mayne Isl.)
 * Mill Bay ferry terminal
 * Brentwood Bay ferry terminal
 * Saltery Bay ferry terminal
 * Little River ferry terminal
 * Earls Cove ferry terminal
 * Saturna Island ferry terminal (or known by diff name(?))
 * Vesuvius Bay ferry terminal
 * Crofton ferry terminal
 * Snug Cove ferry terminal (Bowen Isl.)
 * Albion ferry terminal
 * Fort Langley ferry terminal
 * Darrell Bay ferry terminal (Hwy99-Woodfibre)
 * Balfour ferry terminal (Kootenay Lake, and its counterpart on the east shore)
 * Sidney ferry terminal - maybe this is Washington State Ferries terminal, Sidney, British Columbia?)
 * the terminals in Victoria for Port Angeles and also, when the various services ran, from Seattle (''Princess Marguerite (ship) needs doing also.Skookum1 07:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a name for the Coho terminal, possibly just Bellville ferry terminal, anyway there was something in the Victoria media recently about renovating/remaking the terminal and it applied a proper name to it, or an interpretation of one ;)--Keefer4 00:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Nanaimo Harbour ferry terminal - truck plunged into water here recently (NOT to imply there wasn't older 'events' here too!)
 * Quathiaki Cove ferry terminal
 * Gabriola Island ferry terminal
 * Kuper Island ferry terminal
 * Alert Bay ferry terminal
 * Sointula ferry terminal
 * Ocean Falls ferry terminal
 * Shearwater ferry terminal
 * McLoughlin Bay ferry terminal
 * Bella Coola ferry terminal
 * Klemtu ferry terminal "Discovery Coast" service or whatever they brand it, stops here occasionally
 * Skidegate ferry terminal
 * Alliford Bay ferry terminal
 * Westview ferry terminal (Powell River)
 * Blubber Bay ferry terminal (Texada)

Ferries
The actual ferries to be added to Category:BC Ferries, and their individual Class groupings.

Deletion discussion precedent-- Talk:Queen of Nanaimo.

Inclusion precedent: List of Washington State ferries with links to individual ferries, MV Caribou:
 * Queen of Victoria (ret. but with notorious history)
 * Queen of Prince Rupert ('colourful' history)
 * Queen of the North (a bit os history)
 * Queen of Saanich
 * Queen of Sidney (ret.)
 * Queen of Tsawwassen
 * Queen of Oak Bay
 * Queen of Surrey (is now a redir)
 * Queen of Alberni (add to)
 * Queen of Cowichan (add to)
 * Queen of Coquitlam (add to)
 * Queen of New Westminster
 * Queen of Vancouver
 * Queen of Esquimalt
 * Queen of Burnaby (retired, sold and then returned, current status(??))
 * Queen of Nanaimo (add to)
 * Queen of The Islands (ret.)
 * Queen of Chilliwack
 * Bowen Queen
 * Mayne Queen
 * Powell River Queen
 * M/V Coho (add to)
 * Saltspring Queen and Vesuvius Queen (ret.(?))
 * T'Lagunna (one of the oldest of the Ft Langley-Albion ferries that was in service, not sure if it still is, or what the others are called; T'Lagunna is the name of the Golden Ears in thet Kwantlen dialect of Halqemeylem...Skookum1 07:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Klatawa and Kulleet current Albion ferries.
 * "Klatawa" is Chinook Jargon for "go, travel, walk, journey. Haven't seen "Kulleet" before but it may be Kwantlen Halqemeylem rather than Chinook, or something else; "kull" in the CJ is "hard" in both senses of rock-hard and "difficult", and "-et" could be like "-it", "-whit/wyck" (as in Klee Wyck) - "someone, one" (Klee=joy, laughter, klee wyck - laughing one; klimmin - smooth; kliminawhit - liar); one other possibility is a nativizition of "cooley-it - "one who runs", which would be a local CJ derivation if it's non-standard CJ; if the DoH notes on these ferry names says Kulleet means "runner" I made a pretty good guess, otherwise just puff'n'stuff; but Klatawa definitely is CJ.Skookum1 07:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Great stuff. Between you and Glavin, I'll never want for a Chinook translation (and education). I did some digging on Kulleet just now, and apparently it's taken from a Hul'qumi'num word (k'elits') from the Cowichan area, meaning sheltered bay. The ferry started its life on the Kuper Island run in the early 70's, so that might explain its name. There is also a Kulleet Bay, also known as Chemainus Bay over there.--Keefer4 08:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sunshine Coast Queen (Suzy Q) (ret.)

And don't forget to include Wikiproject Ships on each of these items' talkpages!Skookum1 07:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Ships

 * Cadboro (ship) (McMillan used this ship to found Fort Langley, it was also used for extensive surveys up and down the south coast.)
 * Princess Marguerite (ship)

List of historic hotels in Vancouver
Precedents: Category:Hotels in Toronto, Olympic Club Hotel
 * This would include bars, as per User:Skookum1's point.
 * Balmoral Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Brandiz Hotel
 * Ivanhoe Hotel
 * Cobalt Hotel
 * Empress Hotel (Vancouver)
 * New Dodson Hotel
 * Regent Hotel (Vancouver) (formerly poss Empire Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Afton Hotel
 * Marr Hotel
 * West Hotel (Vancouver)
 * East Hotel (Vancouver)
 * New World Hotel
 * Hotel Vancouver (Demolished)
 * Hotel Vancouver (Demolished 1916)
 * Devonshire Hotel
 * Yale Hotel
 * Woodbine Hotel
 * Patricia Hotel
 * Waldorf Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Astoria Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Niagara Hotel
 * Del Mar Hotel
 * Silver Hotel (Vancouver), Avalon Hotel (Vancouver)
 * North Star Hotel
 * Picadilly Hotel
 * Golden Crown Hotel
 * American Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Pennsylvania Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Clifton Hotel
 * Pender Hotel
 * Hildon Hotel
 * Washington Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Savoy Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Portland Hotel
 * Columbia Hotel
 * Cambie Hotel
 * Number 5 Orange Hotel
 * Sunrise Hotel
 * Hazelwood Hotel
 * Orwell Hotel
 * Hotel Pacific
 * Shamrock Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Blue Horizon Hotel
 * Pacific Palisades Hotel
 * Empire Landmark Hotel (add to) Formerly Sheraton...
 * Century Plaza Hotel
 * Buchan Hotel
 * Queen Charlotte Hotel Apartments
 * Cecil Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Austin Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Invermay Hotel (Jolly Taxpayer Pub)
 * St. Regis Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Alcazar Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Grandview Hotel (Vancouver) or Grand View Hotel (Vancouver) (thought about it, second verson might have been format of name)
 * St. Francis Hotel (Vancouver)
 * another hotel had been next to the Grandview and St. Francis; they were opposite the then-CPR station on Cordova
 * what's that big one on Davie, by Fresgo's, called lately?
 * Lonsdale Quay Hotel
 * Park Royal Hotel (West Van)
 * Abbotsford Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Winters Hotel (Abbott Street)
 * Gastown Hotel (and the one next to it, on Water)...
 * Colonial Hotel (Vancouver), (Two of them: the pre-Yale incarnation, and there's one down on 122 Water Street in Gastown essentially a so-called "SRO")
 * Terminus Hotel (Vancouver) (until its internal collapse one of the very few buildings left over from the year after the Great Fire, and after the Bodega's interior was stripped, it was the last structure with the old internal-central staircase that was a hallmark of local design; I saw the set in the Bodega before it got torn out - and btw I've got somewhere here the write-up on its heritage application which when I'll find it I'll send it along - and what it was like was a mezzanine staircase; the two sets of stairs from the lower floor went up from each of the building's oblong side, and then after a very large landing there were two narrower staircases up the narrower side of the building; with billiard and "private" rooms around the top; this was standard design in most pre-1900 hotels (not the Winters, though), and was what made the Terminus a "treasure" even though its owner just let it rot until it fell in on itself (and the squatters living there). And speaking of Gastown:
 * Hotel Europe (Vancouver)
 * White Swan Hotel (converted to Sally Ann use during Prohibition)
 * Granville Hotel (home of the Lumberjack's Breakfast and the Chinese Smorgasbord, built about 1868 a few months after Jack's Globe Saloon got the ball rolling.
 * Sunnyside Hotel - the second or third hotel in Vancouver, owned by butcher George Black who also owned one of the hotels at Hastings/New Brighton; this was where Joe Fortes worked as a bartender.
 * Alhambra Hotel (Vancouver), Water @ Carrall, still standing, now offices (Gaoler's Mews). Other than being one of the first buildings constructed after the fire (on the site of Deighton House/the Globe, which was not rebuilt), it was also notable for being the height of luxury, having a fireplace in each room, and the chimneys can still be seen.  Money to build it was Cariboo goldfields money, someone like George Cowan but I can't remember who the partners were just now....
 * I suggest you go to the VPL and look for old city/provincial directories for the other early Gastown hotels a search at BC archives for "Hotel" will turn up every single one in the province, of course (because of liquor licensing regs which required they all be photographed...).Skookum1 07:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Biltmore Hotel (Vancouver) - there was politics involved in the zoning/construction of this one, but I'm not certain what. Other non-core hotels such as the Fraser Arms and Mr. Sport (whatever it's called now), plus the New West bars/hotels (esp. the hotels) the Sheraton Villa, the old Cariboo Hotel-cum-Executive Inn at Lougheed & North, and so on fall in the same general category; likewise the Wild Duck Inn and various others in the valley/'burbs.  BTW you may not realize this, or maybe do, but the roots of the Roxy's role as a nightclub, from when it was the Expo-era "The Venue", is because its cabaret license was attached to a small hotel, probably originally as a beer parlour license.  And yeah, I've got to get at writing Beer parlour, but I don't know if it's a BC-only term or what; Easterners seem to use tavern and pub or just bar.Skookum1 22:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My Grandmother still uses Beer Parlour all the time-- 'I never went to a beer parlour while raising the kids... etc' and she's originally from Winnipeg (b.1925), although lived here since the 40's and has lived in logging camps etc, uses saltchuck. (That's not to imply anything about anyone else, though).--Keefer4 23:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Keefer Rooms
 * Blue Boy Motor Lodge (or 'Motor Hotel')
 * The Marble Arch
 * Grand Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Manitoba Hotel
 * Rainier Hotel
 * Drake Hotel (Vancouver)
 * Bodeca Rooms
 * Metropole Hotel
 * Princeton Hotel
 * Arco Hotel
 * Carl Rooms
 * Englesea Lodge (Burned in '81, English Bay)
 * And for that matter, or as possibly an addition to the hotels list-- List of historic motels in Vancouver...


 * That would include that one on Kingsway, the 1900 is it?, that's figured in various terrorist and c crime stories ;=) Very retro-'50s, still, in appearance, also.Skookum1

Communities

 * Kitwanga, British Columbia
 * Gitanyow, British Columbia (Also spelled as Kitwancool)
 * Kitsumkalum, British Columbia
 * Kitselas, British Columbia
 * Gitwinksihlkw, British Columbia
 * Lardeau, British Columbia -it's on the ghost towns list, also seems to be an active community, analyzing basemap, google maps, haven't looked at post office/electoral returns yet, though. Also, this one's on Kootenay Lake, so it may be diff from the Ghost Towns one(?).User:Keefer4
 * Yes, it is different, and there was controversy when the Kootenay Lake one was named, or when the other one was named; I'll dig it out later.Skookum1 18:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Geography

 * Active Pass Should really have its own. (Done), add width of channel, historic accidents, quotations about navigation, wildlife.

Miscellaneous

 * Ballantyne Pier
 * From List of British Columbia Provincial Parks continue to add maps and establish descriptions that will prevent park stubs from being deleted.
 * Add basic descriptions for Ecological Reserves.
 * Malcolm MacLennan-Van police chief murdered on E. Georgia
 * List of rail accidents QUITE a few to add from B.C. in recent years...
 * more than you'd realize in earlier years...on all lines.Skookum1 18:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, OK, but I meant in terms of pictures and stuff; there's BC Arch ones, unfortunately not 100 yrs old, in BC Arch of the Gibbs Creek disaster in the '20s, which was the first big wreck on the PGE, and someone sent me some pics of diesels being hauled out of Seton Lake, at the big bluffs); and for some reasons some unknown person at some point sent me a vid-link for the recent CNR dumping near Spences Bridge. BTW a neat article for someone to do (hint, hint) is Siska rail bridges or Siska rail crossings, whatever format fits any guidelines; I don't think Alexandra Suspension Bridge has been written although it may have a prov park article; has anyone done Hell's Gate Airtram - I know there's Hell's Gate (British Columbia) or Hell's Gate (Canada) as I think I put an image there.Skookum1 22:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Smithrite - How uniquely Vancouver or "BC" is the common use of this term for dumpster? I realize it's a company, but plenty of long-time Vancouverites use the term generically for any dumpster. 'Look at that guy in the smithrite'...'Just throw it in the smithrite..'. Ok, looked up a bit on them, and they basically only serve this area, so the term has simply come into synonymous use with dumpster by way of name recognition-association over the past 60 years.--Keefer4 00:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * which means it should be in List of Canadian words or wherever that redirects to now; I've maintained for a long time that there
 * And speaking of garbage, Carney Waste Systems in Squamish, or its owner Mike Carney, is more notable than at might first seem and come to think of it there might be an article on him now because he's an Olympic ski team local; I knew him indirectly through Rob Boyd, whose brother Ian I knew/know well (haven't seen him in years; their parents were the operations mgr of Whistler and the head of the medical clinic); think some of the contracting for the snowcats - groomers - on the mountains was done by Carney as well, or at least I know it was a lot of the same drivers; even crazier than logging truck drivers, plunging straight down the mountain with the rake behind them on blizzardy nights with no visibility....yikes!).  I'm not prepared to write a bio for him as his father Owen Carney an old family friend and, while a great guy, I don't know him well; tight with my folks from loggers' sports organizational acquaintance for many years. Owen was the founder of the waste systems company and their trucks also serviced Whistler for years, maybe still do although under another name?  There's various big names in Squamish Valley entrepreneurdom that are very notable - Bill Davidson as I recall, although there's also a famous mining guy by that name (founder of Minto City), who was a hotshot logging guy; also "Big Al" MacIntosh and others; ditto with the Pemberton Valley where certain families go way back and are locally historically-notable in the same way that individual family/personal histories are among the adjoining First Nations (ahem).  Anyway, just putting that in, although of course nobody says "put it in the carney"; among their notabilities is that they're Kanaka, although I didn't know that word when I first knew Owen was part Hawaiian; their family name is mentioned in Koppel's book Kanaka but Koppel didn't know where they went to, so it must be Owen's family, i.e. they go way back in BC history, although I don't know when the family came to Squamish; I seem to recall that Owen was from Saltspring when he was young so that fits...Skookum1 00:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Stephen Hume (Writer, reporter well worthy of an article here)
 * W.J. Van Dusen who oversaw the B.C. Lumber Manufacturer's Association in the 1950s just as the US surpassed UK as #1 importer of BC lumber. He also founded the Vancouver Foundation.
 * MacMillan-Bloedel (see Julius Bloedel, which I just placed the templates on, and some cats).
 * Cominco (Columbia Mining Company) and other CPR subsidiaries, i.e. in terms of their relationship to BC; there may already be a Marathon Realty article, or CP Steamships, but their role in BC's history is often barley visible in those articles (esp. the corporate articles).