User:King of Hearts/Admin coaching/AfD/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Brown (goaltender)

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Mike Brown (goaltender)
Delete as an unsourced BLP that fails the general notability guidelines. He is a lifelong minor league hockey goalie with no special significance like being a top prospect, for example. Note: someone who passes WP:ATHLETE must first pass WP:GNG. Tavix | Talk  18:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC) 
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak delete – looking at the first couple of pages of the Google search of "Mike Brown" goalie, I get a few trivial mentions from reliable sources but nothing I would consider significant to meet the general notability guideline. MuZemike 01:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Just misses notability, as things stand. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 23:33, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes WP:ATHLETE on account of having played professional hockey. There are hundreds of articles on Wikipedia of players with Brown's level of achievement and notability. Here's a full article about Brown.... Don't forget, while significant coverage is more than trivial, it may be less than exclusive which more often than not is the case for minor-pro hockey players. You may find a few articles based on them, but they will be mentioned throughout the media. I've added some beef to the article. – Nurmsook!  talk...  17:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per Nurmsook.  Patken4 (talk) 21:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The reference Nurmsook found is an article saying that he has not yet had a significant career. DGG (talk) 00:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The reference I found was also published three years ago, and looking at his statistics, he has clearly been playing professional hockey in each of those three years since. Regardless, 40 minutes in the AHL still means he has "competed at the fully professional level of a sport", which means he passes WP:ATHLETE, and with the sources I found, he passes WP:GNG. Thus, I would argue that DGG and King of Hearts' arguments are essentially moot, as where does it state that an individual had to have a significant career? And further, how do you define significant? Following WP guidelines, this guy is a pass. – Nurmsook!  talk...  00:34, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I would have to agree with DGG, since 40 minutes of ice time isn't much of a career. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 00:14, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * He's played almost 100 games, almost 5,000 minutes, in professional league hockey in North America. That career passes WP:Athlete.  Patken4 (talk) 01:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep – played in ECHL and AHL, both are professional leagues. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 01:03, 24 April 2009 (UTC)