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It's in the news
Examples:


 * Keep I came here to find out more about the arrest and court case...should be kept and updated –NeedsToKnow1 (talk), 13:13, 08 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep On the news tonight and on all major newspaper frontpages –NeedsToKnow2 (talk), 08:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep When I saw this I immediately looked it/them up here, as did many –CNNfan:) (talk), 16:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Huge media interest in this celeb romance...so we should keep the article –NeedGoode..Luvin (talk), 21:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not news, and there should be no news, period –Press-Free Zone (talk), 16:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete No one talks about this any more -- it was in the news a long time ago but you never see anything about it now. –Gone and Forgotten (talk), 16:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a news service—articles will not simply be kept because they are of timely importance. Due to its popularity, Wikipedia is many people's first port of call to find out more about a breaking story or other current event they've just heard about. Wikipedia does have articles that cover current events as well as those of the past, and it even selects certain newsworthy topics for display on the Main Page. But Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news service, and keep arguments must take this into account. Wikipedia even has a sister project Wikinews, dedicated to hosting user generated news stories.

Basically, Wikipedia is not a place for routine coverage, such as locally reported crime, community issues, regularly scheduled sports events, trivial matters, and other topics that are found in the daily paper. It is not here to take the place of the newspaper, regular broadcasts, or other forms of media that are to be expected. Some events are indeed notable and worthy of inclusion. The NOTNEWS guideline is not intended to be overused to favor deletion. There are a variety of reasons an article may be written about a particular event, and this must be taken into consideration when a news event is sent to AfD.

If you plan to use either the WP:EVENT or WP:NOTNEWS arguments (or other similar guidelines) to support keeping or deleting an article, it is important to be familiar with the guidelines to be sure what news belongs and what news does not. It may also help to get a sense of what types of events either do or don't customarily have articles.

Geographic scope
Examples:


 * Keep It's of interest around the entire globe –World Traveler (talk), 13:13, 08 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep People from 3000 miles away know what this is –Coast to Coast (talk), 13:13, 08 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Everyone around the world needs to know about this –Reporting on importance (talk), 05:59, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete No one from outside this establishment's hometown has ever heard of it or ever will –Total Stranger (talk), 13:13, 08 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of the entire world, not just Woodsville –Why Should I Care? (talk), 13:13, 08 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Cumbertown is not the center of the world –Geocentric (talk), 13:13, 08 June 2007 (UTC)

Notability is not about assigning an elite status to a select group of subjects. It is about having the ability to write neutral, verifiable, encyclopedic-style information about them.

Wikipedia's General Notability Guideline requires multiple sources independent of the subject to cover the subject in order to establish notability. But this guideline does not specify the locality of the coverage. Having sources that under all circumstances meet this guideline means that it is notable, and therefore, worthy of an article. On the contrary, being spread out around a greater region, such as a country or the whole world, without satisfying notability requirements does not make a subject notable.

At the same time, subject-specific notability standards in some areas of endeavour do require evidence that the sourceability is more than purely local — for instance, corporations and organizations have to meet WP:CORPDEPTH or WP:ORGDEPTH, which do require wider regionalized coverage, and non-winning candidates for political office are not accepted as notable just because local coverage of the election campaign exists in the local media where that campaign would have been simply expected to garner coverage. Rather, the question of whether local coverage is enough or not depends on variables like the strength of the basic notability claim and the volume of coverage that can be shown. For example, predominantly or purely local coverage may be enough to get the mayor of a major city into Wikipedia, because the notability claim is strong enough that the geographic range of coverage does not matter, but purely local coverage is not necessarily enough to get a city councillor or school board trustee in the same city, or the mayor of a small town, through the notability door — these people may still qualify for articles if something truly substantial, and referenced to a significant volume of media coverage about them, can be shown, but are not guaranteed articles just because one or two pieces of purely local media coverage exist.

Stating an article should be deleted because you and most of the world do not know about it is akin to the I've never heard of it argument. Many subjects are esoteric, meaning that only a small crowd is familiar with them. For example, few people are aware or interested in some obscure forms of living things, space bodies, or scientific concepts, and few people will ever know about them in the first place in order to even desire to read about them. Yet there is sourced information about them, so they qualify to be included.

The same is true about subjects only of interest to those in a single city, town, or region. People who live outside the area who have never visited there or done any research on the area will obviously be unlikely to have ever heard of them. But Wikipedia is not limited to subjects that everyone in the world knows or will have a good chance of knowing. Being a global encyclopedia, Wikipedia can cover a wide range of topics, many of them pertaining to the culture of a single country, language, or an ethnic group living in one part of the world. The people living in a single city or town and everything they have built around them are likewise a culture and society of their own.

Another question is where to draw the line on a subject as being "local". Local could mean limited to a city or town. But others may view a state, province, or other similar region as being local. And such divisions vary in size throughout the world. And though the boundaries of a jurisdiction are legally defined, determining a distance from that location in which coverage would be non-local is not possible.

One may ask: does it not make sense that one part of the world has more articles on its local interests than another with a greater population? If so, this is not because Wikipedia is ever intended to be this way. Numbers of articles are not written in direct proportion with the population distribution of the world. Each article is written because just one person living wherever chooses to write that article. And some areas just happen to have more dedicated writers. Anyone, including you, can be devoted to writing about your hometown. (See Geographic imbalance.)

The Events Notability Guideline on the other hand does specify locality of coverage, recommending notable events more often have a national or international scope.

Arbitrary quantity
Examples:
 * Keep An Internet forum with 3,000 members / a magazine with 37,000 subscribers / a micronation with a population of 9,400 is notable. –Countvonnotable (talk), 04:56, 7 August 2006
 * Delete An Internet forum with 3,000 members / a magazine with 37,000 subscribers / a micronation with a population of 9,400 is not notable. –Notbigenough (talk), 04:56, 7 August 2006
 * Keep This person's video on YouTube just passed 1 million views mark and over 1,000 comments which is notable. –Lotsofviews (talk), 04:56, 7 August 2006
 * Keep Site has existed for over 9,000 years! –Vegeta (talk), 16:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

A commonly seen argument at AfD is "Subject has X number of Y, that's notable/non-notable". Notability isn't determined by something's quantity of members, but rather by the quality of the subject's verifiable, reliable sources. An article on a topic is more likely to pass the notability test with a single article in Encyclopedia Britannica than because it has 1 million views on YouTube.

This does not apply to the position taken in WP:NUMBER that articles on actual numbers over a certain size need to establish several reasons why that particular number is notable, which is a well-defined threshold.

Subjective importance
Examples:
 * Delete Well I've never heard of it so it must be a hoax. –Iknownothing (talk), 00:07, 1 April 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete People in my city have not heard of her, so she cannot be notable. –Provincial (talk), 15:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Who outside of (name locality) has ever even heard of this person/place/thing? –Notknownhere (talk), 14:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I know it well. It's on my way to school. –Myneighborhood (talk), 14:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep John is the tallest person in my home town so he should have an article about him. –Smalltownboy (talk), 05:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Is the only elementary school on Clubbington Street in Eastgrove. –OnlySchool (talk), 07:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Lots of things are well known to a select group of people. A person may be considered the greatest crocheter in a local crochet group, which may make her famous in that community, but that does not necessarily indicate she is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. As is mentioned in one of the official Wikipedia policies, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, meaning that some things are not suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Everything in Wikipedia needs to be verifiable information published in reliable sources before an article can even be considered for inclusion, otherwise it could be considered original research. If the only sources that have written about a subject are those within a small community, it's likely (but not always the case) that those sources are not reliable enough to warrant inclusion in Wikipedia.

Conversely, some subjects' notability may be limited to a particular country, region, or culture. However, arguments that state that because a subject is unknown or not well known among English readers it should not have an article encourage a systemic bias on Wikipedia. To avoid this systemic bias, Wikipedia should include all notable topics, even if the subject is not notable within the English-speaking population or within more populous or Internet-connected nations. Likewise, arguments that state that because a subject is lesser known or even completely unknown outside a given locality does not mean the subject is not notable.

This argument is not sufficient on its own to be persuasive in deletion discussions.

Crystal ball
Examples:
 * Keep This movement may be unknown now, but it is going to be really important very soon. –Youwillsee (talk), 18:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Of course this unreleased single is notable. It's by The Scrotums. –Mycrystalballisinforservice (talk), 01:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep We all know there will be a presidential election in 2032. –Everyone's a psychic (talk), 01:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete This celeb is just a flash in the pan, and nobody will remember her in a week/month/year. –Shortattentionspan (talk), 18:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and editors should avoid using one when commenting in a deletion discussion. It is difficult to determine precisely what people believe in the present, even more difficult to predict how perceptions will change in the future, and completely unnecessary to even try. Notability is based on objective evidence of whether sufficient reliable sources have taken notice already, not on subjective judgments of whether people should take notice in the future. Focusing on the objective evidence helps the deletion discussion reach a logical conclusion; injecting your personal predictions does not.

Past inaction by sources
Examples: Notability is based on objective evidence of whether sufficient reliable sources have taken notice already, not on subjective judgments of why people did not take notice in the past. Focusing on the objective evidence helps the deletion discussion reach a logical conclusion; injecting your personal supposition does not. Note however that articles have been deleted under WP:BLP1E even when the subject's earlier actions were reported in the press (at a much later date) as a result of later actions (and in the context of those).
 * Delete None of the source coverage would have occurred had the one event not occurred. –Lookherenotthere (talk), 10:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Subject did not get the media coverage it deserved at the time because reasons, so Wikipedia should waive its reliable sourcing requirements in order to rectify that unfairness. –FixThePast (talk), 21:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Past inaction by editors
Examples: In general, articles are not notable or non-notable, topics are. Per WP:NEXIST, topic notability is based upon source availability, rather than the state of sourcing in articles. However, note that per the Biographies of living persons policy page, all BLP articles must have at least one source that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article, or it may be proposed for deletion. See also WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP.
 * Delete Nobody has added sources to the article, so it's not notable. – ArticleNotNotable (talk), 20:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Notability is inherited
Caution: This section is not a content guideline or policy. Nor does it apply to speedy deletion or proposed deletion, as they are not deletion discussions. It only applies to arguments to avoid at Articles for deletion.

Examples: Inherent notability is the idea that something qualifies for an article merely because it exists, even if zero independent reliable sources have ever taken notice of the subject. This is usually phrased as "All ____ are notable", for example, "all high schools are notable" or "no elementary schools are notable".
 * Keep She once worked with someone famous –Keeper (talk), 14:15, 03 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This poet is notable, so all his individual poems must be notable too. –All the trees in the forest (talk), 14:15, 03 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Is found in a navbox together with other similar or related articles. –Member of the club (talk), 14:15, 03 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep It is a radio program on a notable radio station therefore the program is automatically notable. –Wheredoesitend (talk), 15:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep his brother is a notable athlete. –Family Tree (talk), 19:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep: there are lots of famous people on this list, so it's notable. –Adrian Listmaker (talk), 18:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The artist is famous, so the album is notable. –The internet's busiest music nerd (talk), 9:29 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep It's a high school; high schools are notable. –SchoolDaze (talk), 9:29 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep They've given millions of dollars to a notable charity/school/hospital, which named a building after them. Here's a link to a press release! -Eleemosynary (talk) 11:05, 11 February 2022
 * Delete All examples of faah are useless cruft. –Class Warfare (talk), 11:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete she's only the U.S. President's wife –First Lady (talk), 18:16, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Inherited notability is the idea that something qualifies for an article merely because it was associated with some other, legitimately notable subjects. This is usually phrased as "____ is notable, because it is associated with Important Subject."

Notability requires verifiable evidence. This is why notability is usually neither inherited nor inherent: inherited and inherent notability claims can't be verified with evidence. They are only mere personal opinion as in the examples above.

Notability of one or more members of some group or class of subjects may or may not apply to other possible members of that group. Discuss based upon the individual subject, not the subject's overarching classification or type. If a subject under discussion is independently notable, provide the evidence to show that.

In addition, notability of a parent entity or topic (of a parent-child "tree") does not always imply the notability of the subordinate entities. That is not to say that this is always the case (four of the notability guidelines, for creative professions, books, films and music, do allow for inherited notability in certain circumstances), or that the subordinate topic cannot be mentioned in the encyclopedia whatsoever. Often, a separate article is created for formatting and display purposes; however, this does not imply an "inherited notability" per se, but is often accepted in the context of ease of formatting and navigation, such as with books and albums.

Similarly, parent notability should be established independently; notability is not inherited "up", from notable subordinate to parent, either: not every manufacturer of a notable product is itself notable; not every organization to which a notable person belongs (or which a notable person leads) is itself notable. For example, just because Albert Einstein was a founding member of a particular local union of the American Federation of Teachers [Local 552, Princeton Federation of Teachers] does not make that AFT local notable.

Donations of significant amounts of money naturally are reciprocated by a certain amount of publicity, including press releases and even naming of buildings or entire academic departments. The mere giving of money in and of itself does not make the donor notable, and press releases (or routine coverage based on such press releases) will not satisfy WP:GNG.

The fact of having a famous relative is not, in and of itself, sufficient to justify an independent article. Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG. Newborn babies are not notable except for an heir to a throne or similar.

Note, however, that this does not apply to situations where the fact of having a relationship to another person inherently defines a public position that is notable in its own right, such as a national First Lady.

This does not mean that such associations are never claims of significance (significance is a lower standard than notability, used for sections A7, A9, and A11 of the criteria for speedy deletion); it simply means that the association does not by itself make the subject notable. Also, notability not being inherited is not by itself grounds for deletion; subjects can still be notable by other means and even when they are not, often such articles can be merged or redirected to the article on the associated subject (see also the Just not notable section above).

See also Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Summary Style.

Lots of sources
Examples:
 * Keep: there are many, many, many sources available. –IFoundLotsofSources (talk), 18:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: Did you even look for sources? –SourceSearcher (talk), 18:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Whilst showing the subject is mentioned in a number of sources, not all sources are reliable and may only be trivial mentions. Notability requires the presence of significant treatment of a subject in reliable independent sources, not just the mere presence of the searched-for term. Search aggregators are also prone to picking up user-comments too. So it is important to specify the actual sources which can be used instead of just linking to a search of them, and to consider whether these sources provide enough information to write a reasonably detailed article on the subject, rather than a hopeless stub. This also applies to lists of 'Media Coverage/In the News' sections on websites.

By the same token, do not base a keep argument solely on how many footnotes are present in the article. It is possible to generate footnotes by reference bombing it with dozens of footnotes that aren't actually building notability at all: social media posts, directory entries, blogs, sources that tangentially verify stray facts without actually mentioning the article subject at all, and so forth. The article's sources need to be measured for their quality and depth, in addition to the number of sources.

Wikipedias in other languages
Examples
 * Keep given the six interwiki links (de:Foo, es:Foo, fr:Foo, it:Foo, la:Foo, pt:Foo). They can't all be wrong. –Interwikis=Notability (talk), 14:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete No interwiki –TrappedBehindTheLanguageBarrier (talk), 01:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

A notable topic will often be covered by Wikipedia articles in many languages other than English; however, the existence of such articles does not indicate, by itself, that a topic is notable.

Other Wikipedias may have different inclusion criteria from the English Wikipedia. Notability requires coverage in reliable secondary sources. Other versions of Wikipedia are not reliable sources. Many articles in other Wikipedias are based on translations of English Wikipedia articles. Moreover, because of the availability of online translation tools, it's easier to create cross-wiki spam. The hoax article Jean Moufot was first posted on Netherlands Wikipedia and then translated into several other languages, including English. Of course, if the other Wikipedia articles cite any reliable sources not in the English Wikipedia article, they can be added to it.

On the other hand, the fact that there are no interwikis does not mean that the article should be deleted. It may be the case that nobody has yet written an article on another language's Wikipedia or that it just hasn't been linked to from the English language article. It may also be the case that the topic is notable in the English-speaking world, but of little relevance to speakers of other languages, or vice versa.