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ლაზურ-ქართული სახელები
გამარჯობა, ვფიქრობ, თქვენ უნდა მოგმართოთ შემდეგ საკითხზე: უცნობი მომხმარებელი (IP:123.231.109.232 / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:123.231.109.232) შლის თურქეთის რიზესა და ართვინის პროვინციების ზოგიერთი (ლაზებით/ქართველებით დასახლებული) ქალაქების ადგილობრივ - ლაზურ-ქართულ სახელებს. გამართლებულია თუ არა მისი ეს ქმედება? გმადლობთ.Laziva (talk) 09:59, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Gvaramia
Gamarjoba Kober. Thanks for the logo additions to ministry articles. Do you mind adding his name in Georgian for me? Thanks!  Tuscumbia  (talk ) 18:27, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey. You are welcome. Done it. Cheers! :)--KoberTalk 18:33, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Borjomi
Hi Kober. I have nominated the article Borjomi (water) for GA review. It is currently being considered and is likely to pass, however there are some outstanding issues to be solved. To improve the article, we'd need your help. I think there might be some Georgian sources which could provide some useful information and improve the article. Do you mind helping out? Much appreciated.  Tuscumbia  (talk ) 14:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 *  Tuscumbia  (talk ) 13:45, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Presidential Administration of Georgia
Gamarjoba Kober! I hope you don't mind. I took the liberty of creating the article on Presidential Administration of Georgia. If you could add relevant data from Georgian sources and wikilink it to articles related to Georgian President, it would be much appreciated.  Tuscumbia  (talk ) 19:59, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Baratashvili Bridge
Hi Kober. Georgian names for Baratashvili Bridge, please :) Thanks!  Tuscumbia  (talk ) 15:41, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Done it. :) --KoberTalk 18:35, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Kober, if possible, same for Ananuri Bridge. Thanks!  Tuscumbia  (talk ) 20:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Basil Argyros
Hello Kober! Just wanted to say "nice work" on making this article. Cheers, Constantine  ✍  20:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, if in future you create any other Byzantine-related articles, please consider listing them at Portal:Byzantine Empire/New articles. Constantine  ✍  20:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Akhaltsikhe
Please answer in article talk page. It is impossible to carry out discussion via edit summaries. Ladnadruk (talk) 18:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

თხოვნა
გამარჯობათ. ერთი თხოვნა მაქვს: როცა დრო და სურვილი გექნებათ, იქნებ ამ სტატიას რამე მოვუხერხოთ. შექმნიდან ერთი თვის შემდეგ ბოტმა ჩამისვა სტატიის თავში შეტყობინება. მადლობა წინასწარ.--George Talk 10:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Portal:Georgia listed at Redirects for discussion
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Legislative elections in 2008, context
Kober: please go to the talk page of "Georgian legislative election, 2008". 8h3d0kg (talk) 17:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Requesting Help
Hi Kober. I noticed that you work a lot on Georgia related articles. If you see any accounts such as or, could you please report them to me? Any help would be appreciated. Elockid  ( Talk ) 17:15, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
hello, please look here for sockpuppet report. Dighapet (talk) 13:49, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

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Saint Nino
Hello. I think there's something wrong. If Nino was born either in 298 or in 300, how she was persecuted by Tiridates, when Armenian was converted in 301 AD. Besides she reached Iberia in 320 or so, and then I'm shure Armenia was already converted to Christianity. Also she couldn't be with Hripsime, as she died in 290 AD. Thanks.--188.115.237.134 (talk) 12:43, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Joseph Stalin family
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სურათებს ვტვირთავ და ადმინისტრაცია მიშლის. არადა წყაროებს ვუთითებ და რა უნდათ? :(
რატომ მიშლიან სურათებს ხომ არ იცი? ყველა წყაროს ვუთითებ საიდანაც მომაქვს სურათები :)--GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 17:03, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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Template talk:Georgian Kingdom Royal Style
Can you come discuss this? I think you mention before that this coat of arms is actually dated to the royal marriage. But the main problem is not the coat of arms, it is the unreferenced generic title and styles. Thanks.--Queen Elizabeth II&#39;s Little Spy (talk) 18:25, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Rustaveli Museum
thanks for identifying the correct museum name so we could clear that up StarM 23:09, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Sameba cathedral
Hello Kober, in fact the disputed text on the alleged Armenian cemetary on the grounds of the cathedral has an official translation into English. The English version of the same text contradicts Wikiboers claims, and now I have my doubts that Wikiboers translation is indeed accurate. Do you by chance have any Georgian language sources on this alleged cemetery? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esteshamrid (talk • contribs) 08:10, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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სურათების ატვირთვა
გამარჯობა, სურათების ატვირთვისას რომელი ლიცენზია მივუთითო? აუცილებელია დავიჯერო რომ ყველა სურათი უნდა იყოს ლიცენზირებული? რა ყველა აქ რაც დევს ყველას ლიცენზია აქვს? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GeorgianJorjadze აი ეს არის ჩემი გვერდი სადაც სურათებს ვტვირთავ და სულ მედავებიან და მიშლიან სურათებს და რა ვქნა ვეღარ გავიგე. სულ ლიცენზია და საავტორო უფლებები უნდათ და დავიჯერო რო ყველა სურათი რაც კი ვიკიზე დევს ყველას აქვს ლიცენზია და საავტორო უფლებები დაცული? იქნებ იმ სურათებზე ან ლიცენზია შემიცვალო ან რამით დამეხმარო რო არ წამიშალონ ის სურათები. ვერ ვხდები სადაინღა შეიძლება სურათის ატვირთვა. საიტის წყაროსაც ვუთითებ და მაინც მიშლიან სურათებს და იქნებ ჩემს გვერდზე მომწერო ან ამიხსნა რა რამე რომ ამათ გავაგებინო ან იქნებ შენ შუცვალო ლიცენზია ან რამე ჩემს სურათებს. დაველოდები პასუხს. მადლობ. <font color="Blue">Georgianჯორჯაძე  17:07, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * კობერ, ჩემს გვერდზე მოგწერე :) <font color="Blue">Georgianჯორჯაძე   22:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * კობერ, იქნებ აი ეს სურათი ატვირთო. ამას უფრო კარგი ხარისხი აქვს და ფართოა უფრო. ოღონდ გამჭვირვალედ ატვირთე მხოლოდ პიენჯი არა აი გამჭვირვალედ როგორც შენმიერ დადებული ენების სურათი რომ გაქვს ქართველური ენების. აი ლინკი: http://oi41.tinypic.com/1535o42.jpg -- <font color="Blue">Georgianჯორჯაძე  20:29, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Dave1185
I don't normally stalk the edits of others, but this editor has said something rather rude about your edits in this. I can understand that editors can behave rather nastily, but as referenced in this edit, it's alright to talk to talk to another editor in your language. I'd suggest reporting that editor to WP:ANI if the behavior continues to persist. <b style="color:#060">Abhijay</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎ Talk</b>) (<b style="color:#000">✐ Deeds</b>) 11:28, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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სურათები ფეისბუკიდან
კობერ გამარჯობა. სააკაშვილის ოფიციალური ფეისბუკიდან სურათების ატვირთვა როგორ შეიძლება? რომელიმე ლიცენზიაში ჩაჯდება ის სურათები და შევძლებ ატვირთვას? -- <font color="Blue">Georgianჯორჯაძე  10:54, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * კობერ, აი მუზეუმის ფეისბუკი ვნახე http://www.facebook.com/GNMuseum და ესენი არ მოგვცემენ უფლებას რომ მუზეუმის ექსპონატების სურათების დადების უფლება მოგვცენ? -- <font color="Blue">Georgianჯორჯაძე  20:15, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * გაუმარჯოს კობერ. რუკების კეთება ხომ არ იცი შემთხვევით SVG ფაილში? რუკები მჭირდება სხვადასხვა ქართული სამეფოებისთვის კარგ ხარისხში ინგლისურად. -- <font color="Blue">Georgianჯორჯაძე  19:46, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Ichthus: January 2012
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King Solomon II
Oh yes, his daugther was married with Mahmud II., she got two Girls,one did as Baby, the other grew up and married and got issue.

King Solomon II., was aslo dead in Turkey...

They offspring's are today stay in Turkey and in Germany.

why you deletet it?

217.248.143.145 (talk) 20:34, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

B1. Solomon II, the last King of Imereti (1789-1810), *1772, +Trebizond 7.12.1815, bur St. Gregory Church here; 1m: 1787 Pss Anna Orbeliani; 2m: 1791 Mariam of Megreli (*1783, +St.Petersburg 18.3.1841)

C1. Archil, *1815, +ca 1840 C2. Mariam, *1805; m.Pr Giorgi Mkheidze C3. Tekla, *1817; m.Pr Levan Tsulukidze (*1813, +after 1843)

This can't be hes children, he is dead in 1815...Tekla born in 1817? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dilek2 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You are correct in this regard. I did not notice that the text mentioned his son. To the best of my knowledge, Solomon died without issue. --KoberTalk 20:59, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

2008 South Ossetia war
What is reason remove this: "http://war080808.com The art of betrayal"? It is one of view on this war. BBC hub is ok for you but not this. Why? Mdmitry1973 (talk) 15:23, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Giorgi Kazbegi
I am from ru.wiki (you use my article about gen. Kazbek).

"He was appointed Chief of Staff of the Warsaw Fortress in 1891 and promoted to major-general on October 29, 1892" - no, he was promoted and apointed the same day, October 29 1892. November 11 1887 - 29 October 1892 he was commander of 51 Infantry Litovsky regiment.

"Kazbegi then served as Chief of Staff of the Ivangorod Fortress from 1899 to 1902, when he received the rank of lieutenant-general and appointment as Chief of Staff of Warsaw Military District. In 1905, he was made governor-general of Khabarovsk and commandant of Vladivostok. He served in this capacity during the Russian Revolution of 1905, which saw his promotion to the rank of general of infantry" - it's number of mistakes of Gogitidze.

After Warsaw Fortress gen. Kazbek was:

General-quartermaster of Staff of Warsaw military district (March 27 1897 - July 3 1899) (he never was head of staff of this district)

Commandant (not head of staff) of Ivangorod Fortress (July 3 1899 - June 23 1902). Lieutenant-General (promoted January 1 1901, with seniority since December 6 1900)

Commandant of Warsaw Fortress (June 23 1902 - January 25 1905)

Commandant of Vladivostok Fortress (January 25 1905 - March 7 1906)

At disposal of Commander-in-chief on Far East (March 7 1906 - December 14 1906)

Attached to Chief Staff (December 14 1906 - September 25 1907)

September 25 1907 - promoted to General of Infantry and put to retire with uniform and pension

"his 37 years of military service" - according to "Список генералам по старшинству", he was on military service since 1860, so - 47 years, not 37.

And Ivane Kazbegi - it's mistake of Gogitidze, his name was Иван Николаевич, not Иван Георгиевич (Gogitidze wrongly made him the son of general Georgy). Илья Мухин (talk) 22:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --KoberTalk 04:21, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

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სურათები
კობერს გაუმარჯოს. შესაძლებელია რომ აი ეს სურათები აიტვირთოს? ანუ ლიცენზია ამის უფლებას იძლევა? -- <font color="Blue">Georgianჯორჯაძე  14:44, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * აი ეს სურათებია:
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/earthhour_global/6887619836/
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/earthhour_global/6887622580/
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/earthhour_global/7033719205/
 * გაუმარჯოს. არცერთი არ გამოვა. ეგ ლიცენზია (სურათის მარჯვენა ქვედა კუთხეში) არ იძლევა კომერციული მიზნებისთვის მოდიფიცირების უფლებას. ანუ თავისუფლება შეზღუდულია და ამიტომაც არ იღებს ვიკი. --KoberTalk 10:07, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ამასაც რამე ლიცენზიას ვერ მოვუძებნით? აი ეს სურათი მინდა რომ ავტვირთო. წყარო კი ეს არის. --GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 17:38, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * არ ვიცი. არანაირი ინფორმაცია საავტორო უფლებების შესახებ მანდ არ დევს. სავარაუდოდ არ უნდა იყოს თავისუფალი. შეიძლება საიტის ადმინისტრაციისათვის მიწერა.--KoberTalk 05:10, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * კობერ, ბათუმში ქართული ანბანის კოშკის სურათი ავტვირთე რომელიც ლიცენზიით მისაღებია და დამიდასტურეს კიდეც მაგრამ ერთი ატრაკებს რო უფლება არ გაქვს მაინცო და წავშლითო იმიტო რო ის კოშკი ვინც ააშენაო იმისგან უნდა მიიღო უფლებაო. მოკლედ არადა არ შვება და რა უნდა ამ ტიპს ერთი. აი ეს სურათია. --GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 17:08, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ჰო ეგეც რთული საკითხია. საქართველოს კანონით საავტორო უფლებების შესახებ ეგეც თითქოს არ შეიძლება იმიტომ, რომ მუდმივად მდგარი ობიექტია და ავტორი ცოცხალია. მხოლოდ იმ შემთხვევაში შეიძლება თუ სურათის მთავარი კომპონენტი არაა. ანუ, მაგალითად, სხვა სახლებიც რომ ჩანდეს და ეგ შენობა ეგრე ძალიან არ იყოს გამორჩეული სურათზე მაშინ შეიძლება. მოკლედ რთულია რა. წლები დამჭირდა რომ მაგაში რამე გამეგო. ყველაფერზე ნადირობენ ეგენი.--KoberTalk 17:30, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ამის ატვირთვის უფლებასაც არ მოგვცემენ? თან ლიცენზია უფლებას იძლევა რო ავტვირთოთ. --GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 17:44, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * რა ვიცი. მგონი იგივე მიზეზი ექნებათ. --KoberTalk 17:46, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * აბა რა ვქნათ მაშინ ამის ამშენებლის სიკვდილს უნდა ველოდოთ და მერე 70 წლის გასვლას? სახლი თუ რაღაც ხო სჩანს ამ სურათში და არ გამოვა? --GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 17:52, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ორი ვარიანტია. ან სიკვდილი+70 (ანუ დავუტოვოთ მომავალ თაობებს) :) ან ვიპოვოთ პანორამული სურათი, რომელშიც ეგ კოშკი არ იქნება დომინანტი ობიექტი. თუ არა და სცადე; იქნებ გამორჩეთ. --KoberTalk 17:59, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * იქნებ შენ ატვირთო რა თორე მე ისევ გამიტრაკებენ ესენი. შენ მაინც ცნობადი ვიკიპედიელი ხარ და არამგონია გაგიუქმონ. შენ ატვირთე და მერე ის დაუმტავრებელი შენობა რო აქვს მოვაშალოთ მერე. --GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 18:02, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * კარგი, ვცდი, ოღონდ ხვალ ან ზეგ. --KoberTalk 18:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * სულ 5 წუთის საქმეა. ბარემ ახლა აგეტვირთა :) --GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 18:08, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * რა საჩქაროა?! აქ ყველაფერს ყურები და თვალები აქვს.:) არც ჩვენი საუბარი დარჩება შეუმჩნეველი. გავიდეს 1-2 დღე.--KoberTalk 18:10, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ეგრე იყოს მაშინ. ბზობას გილოცავ სულ დამავიწყდა მოლოცვა. ყველაფერ საუკეთესოს გისურვებ. --GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 18:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * შენც ასევე. მრავალს დაესწარი და გამარჯვებებს გისურვებ.--KoberTalk 18:22, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * კობერ, ერთი ამას შეხედე რა. ერთი ჩრდილოელი ვანია ებრძვის კოლხეთის თემას. ქართული სამეფო არ იყოო და წყაროებს შლის. ეჰ ყველა ჩვენს მეზობლებს როგორ ღრღნით ეს ფაქტი და როგორ ებრძვიან ჩვენს მემკვიდრეობას საოცარია. GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 12:06, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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ინგლისურ ვიკიპედიაში რამდენ ქართველს იცნობ რომ აქტიურობდეს?

იქნებ მათი გვერდის ლინკები დაწერო მაინც რო ვიცოდე თორემ ბევრ ქართულ გვერდებს ებრძვიანნ. და ხანნდახან დახმარებაახოლმე საწირო.

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 * გამარჯობა კობერ. იქნებ აქ შაბლონში შეცვალო ჯავახკი უწერიათ მათ დიასპორაში და ვითომ მათ ისტორიულ საკუთრებას წარმოადგენს და საქართველოს შემადგენლობაში არ აბრუნებენ და ამათთან ბრძოლაში ბანიარ მომცცენ თორე ტვინს ტყნავენ უკვე მაგრა. იქნებ ნახო. აი ეს შაბლონია. GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 22:35, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * კობერ ვნახე რომ შეცვალე და მადლობა და იქნებ მიაქციო მაგ შაბლონს ყურადღება. ასევე აი აქაც ჩვენს ეკლესიაზე წერია ვითომ სომხებისგან მოვიპოვეთ დამოუკიდებლობა და ავტოკეფალია და მაგაზე ბევრი ვედავე მარა მაინც არესმით და იქნება ან შეცვალო და წაშალო ან მის განხილვის გვერდზე დააარწმუნო ან რამე რო ამოიღონ. როდის ერთი იყო ჩვენნი ეკლესია სომხეების ხელში უბრალოდ სასაცილოა მარა ეგენი როგორც ყოველთვის თავის ამპლუაში არიან და თავისას აწვებიან. ყოველ თემაში გვებრძვიაან თიტქმის. GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 08:45, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * კობერ ამ თემაშიც ამოყვეს თავი და აქაც იქნებ ნახო. და იქნებ სხვაქარტველი ვიკიპედიელლების კონტაქტებიც მომცე რო მარტოარ ვერბრძოლო თორე ბევრრნი არაინ. GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 20:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * პასუხს რატოარ მწერ? სვანებზეცც ნახე იქაც ცვლისსულ. GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 14:38, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * კობერ, საქართველოსისტორიის შაბლონნში მჭირდება შენი სიტყვა რა თორე შაბლონს მიცცვლიან წამდაუწუმ. GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 20:21, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Your offensive edit summary
Please do not make bad faith edit summaries like you did here []. Accusing an editor of making a POV edit without giving any evidence is a serious lapse of assuming good faith. There was nothing POV about my edit. Under your standards I can now go and change Doliskana and Khakhuli_Monastery to mosques, and change the article titles to their modern names, given that this is their current function. What is your response? <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS, verdana, sans serif; color:#0088BB;">Meowy 02:22, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hello Kober,

Yourself and a few editors appear to have reached a deadlock situation in a dispute at Template talk:History of Georgia. Therefore, I am inviting everyone involved to reboot discussions in a peaceful and amicable manner at Template_talk:History_of_Georgia. Please read carefully the opening statement, and engage with others involved in a civil discussion, avoiding personal attacks as much as possible. Thank you - <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse 09:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I have not been part of the dispute, but I'm quite ready to contribute to a consensus if my participation is needed. --KoberTalk 09:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Georgian Orthodox Church
Kober, I am interested in your position about Georgian Orthodox Church. There is a discussion about the fact as if Georgian Orthodox Church got independence from Armenia and its church. Can we have your position here? GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 11:41, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your offer, Kober! It would have been with pleasure, but I am lucky enough to already have the pdf. Hope to have you join the discussion or editing of the article one of these days! We're not yet at the most thorny parts, but when it comes to it, I think every input will be more than welcome...--Susuman77 (talk) 19:06, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

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Need help with sources
Gagimarjos, Kober! Do you know any sources about Georgian history and anthropological studies in Georgia in Russian or in English languages, which could be used as Identifying reliable sources here in Wikipedia?MrKindSailor (talk) 13:39, 20 June 2012 (UTC)MrKindSailor
 * Hi. There are myriads of them. Which specific topic you are interested in?--KoberTalk 19:34, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Khandzta
I think this article mixes up two separate sites: Opiza and Porta. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS, verdana, sans serif; color:#0088BB;">Meowy 19:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

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Medieval Georgian primary sources
Hi Kober, how are you? I was wondering if you could help me out with something: I'm working on a little project and I was hoping if you could point out to me the major Georgian histories and chronicles from the medieval period (ca. 850-1250) which discuss the lives of the reigns of the kings. There's the Kartlis Tskhovreba, but I want to know the names of other works and especially if they're available in translation in English or another Western language. Thanks a lot. Best, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 22:09, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot, bud. Finding a copy of Thomson's translation won't seem too difficult, but Rapp's looks very hard to come by, and the price at Amazon does not endear too much to my budget. I was also hoping if you could point me to a good (not necessarily comprehensive) survey dedicated to medieval Georgian churches and monuments (again from the period above), which dwells on function, purpose, and not necessarily just description and style.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the recommendations Kober. I also came across Alpago Novello's Art and Architecture in Medieval Georgia (1980), so you can suggest that book in case anyone else has similar requests as mine.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:01, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

"Following" your contributions
Yes, I am now going to be following your edits more closely for a while. I had formerly considered you to be a fairly neutral editor on Georgia-related subjects, but as a result of your scattering of the Armenian Pantheon article with citation rquired tags I now have doubts about that opinion. You have tagged content that you know to be factually correct. A good editor does not initiate the removal of truthful content even if that content is not fully cited. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS, verdana, sans serif; color:#0088BB;">Meowy 14:46, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

File:Bataille de Bolnisi.jpg
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 * Many thanks for the image, Geagea.KoberTalk 13:48, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Manglisi
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Chess in Georgia
Hey Kober, I was recently working on Chess in Armenia article and got it done few days ago. Now I'm working on Chess in Georgia. Because you are one of the most active users from Georgia I would like to ask you some questions.
 * 1) Do you know where I can find a free image of the Gaprindashvili Chess Palace in Tbilisi? Or is it possible for you to take a picture of it yourself?
 * 2) Can you provide me with online sources in English or Russian about the history of the game in the country?

And also, please feel free to make any necessary edits to User:Yerevanci/Chess in Georgia. It is currently just the copy of Chess in Armenia article and I'm going to replace with similar information about Georgia.-- Ե րևանցի ասելիք կա՞  00:20, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Good to hear from you! And thank you for your willingness to help. I'll try to use the first two sources to write about the history and you can add additional information from last two ones in Georgian. -- Ե րևանցի ասելիք կա՞  05:07, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

clarity
Dear Kober, this sentence in Georgia (country) article introduction section makes no sense: " It contains two de facto independent regions, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which gained limited international recognition after the 2008 Russo-Georgian War." What does "contains" mean and the subject "it" is referred to Georgia? The sentence is dubious and unclear, not to mention grammar and style. I think we should make a coherent and clear sentence which emphasizes that these so called break-away territories are in fact UN recognized (SC, GA) undivided parts of the sovereign territory of Georgia and that these territories are officially recognized by Georgia and some Western countries (US, Czech Republic, all of the baltic states, Sweden, UK, Canada, NATO, EU, Council of Europe, Human Rights watch, etc) as occupied territories by the Russian Federation. We also need to add in the introduction that most of the countries of the world, including international organizations stand firm in their support for territorial integrity of Georgia in accordance to the international law. What do you think? I have list of countries and quotes by their high on recognizing Abkhazia and so called “South Ossetia” as territories under Russian military occupation. Best. Iberieli (talk) 08:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * we can initiate an article titles: " International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia as Occupied Territories" and include all of the resolutions and statements by Foreign dignataries, countries and organizations recognizing the the occupation. Iberieli (talk) 10:33, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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Abkhazia stamps
Look here and here and here anhere and even in the wikipedia page entitled List of people on stamps of Abkhazia --Anguicre (talk) 19:51, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

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Son/Daughter of in Article Titles
I'm curious as to why you create titles for children of monarchs of Caucasia in the form "Son/Daughter of King..."? Not only do these titles seem unwieldy in length, but they are unlikely titles for anyone to use in looking up the person in Wikipedia. Moreover, NCROY calls for such persons to be called "Prince/Princess of..." if no other name is more commonly used for the person in English-language sources. Also, doesn't Batonishvili translate, approximately, as "Royal Prince"? Are these articles getting re-directs under "Prince/Princess"? I'm concerned that the avoidance of the princely attribute for members of historical ruling dynasties in Caucasia could be interpreted as not being considered worthy of the princely title in a Western encyclopedia in the way that, e.g., African and Native American rulers' relatives (i.e. Sara Forbes Bonetta, Abram Petrovich Gannibal, Sacagewea, Wild Cat) are usually denied that titulature. Just trying to understand the logic. FactStraight (talk) 22:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Just wondering why you moved most of the articles you created to Prince name of Georgia. The former way was more sufficient and it place their name first plus it made all the Georgian princes uniformed. Will you reconsider your moves?--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 04:51, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * To me putting prince in front of a name is only common in European royalty in the modern period after the Middle Ages. We can move all the George's and David's to prince name of Georgia (lifespan) but it begs the question if calling George, son of David VII of Georgia Prince George of Georgia (1250–1268) is as inappropriate as adding prince to the title of Louis of France (1244–1260). Also using Russia as an example and Bagrationi family in Russia after annexation, all the noble princes outside the Romanov are not titled Prince but by their names.--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 05:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Please do not move these pages back, since they now conform to NCROY, and violated that guideline previously. The arguments I made at the top of this section explain your moves, and I thank you. Also thanks for your reply on my talk page. If the repetitiveness of given names is the problem, I have a couple of suggestions consistent with NCROY: First, disambiguation pages for identical or very similar names can be set up to help people sort them out before they find themselves reading the wrong bio. Also, we can more carefully distinguish among members of the various cadet branches, rather than titling everyone "Prince GivenName Bagrationi" or "Princess GivenName of Georgia", e.g. "Prince Erekle of Khaketi", "Princess Anna of Kartli", "Prince Alexander of Imereti", "Princess Maria of Mukhrani", "Prince George Davitashvili", etc. Although Georgian apparently doesn't use patronymics, disambiguation can also be given by dates, e.g. "Prince Luarsab of Kartli (1710-1754)" or "Princess Tamara of Kakheti (c. 1350)". Finally, secondary distinctions can be suffixed (as much as I dislike them personally), e.g. "Kaikhushru, Prince of Mukhrani, Regent of Georgia" or "Princess Kethevan of Kartli, Shahbanu of Persia" or "Princess Elene of Kartli, Tsarevna of Imereti" or "Anton II Bagrationi, Catholicos-Patriarch of Georgia" or "Princess Thamar Imeretinsky, Baroness O'Hagan". FactStraight (talk) 05:09, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input. --KoberTalk 16:07, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Ketevan of Georgia
Per your edit summary today on Heraclius II of Georgia, I've reverted out my addition of Burke's Royal Families of the World as a cite, since you've found it erroneously conflates Ketevan's bio with that of another Bagrationi princess. But if the info could be sorted out, Burke's would still be a useful source for Princess Ketevan of Georgia since it also includes apparently accurate details of her life and, particularly, of her marriage to Ioane Bagrationi, Prince of Mukhrani given on p.63. FactStraight (talk) 12:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your note. I think Burke is a credible source and has its place in any on the Georgian royalty, but it is too heavily based on Cyril Toumanoff whose works were at that time the only available source on Georgian genealogies in the West.--KoberTalk 12:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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Georgian names
Are Georgian women commonly referred by their first and last names and if so does the last name change upon marriage? I notice that before I created the list of consort article that all the articles of the Georgian kings mentioned their wives as first name née the family they came from and that very little sources call them by both first name and last name. What is the case with Georgian sources? --The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 02:21, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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Extra tricky spelling error
Reginal could be misspelling of:


 * Reginald (Proper name)
 * regional (of a region)
 * reginal (of a queen), many thanks to Kober!!!

One has to look closely sometimes to tell which is which. Tabletop (talk) 13:05, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

მეგობრული წერილი
კობერ სალამი, აფხაზეთზე და ცხინვალის რეგიონზე ყურადღება მივაქციოთ ხოლმე, თორემ იმ ტიპისნაირი ბევრი იჩითება, ნეიტრალურობა სულ დაივიწყეს.-- Balakhadze ႫႨႼႤႰႠ 18:09, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * hello Kober. Recent info (talk) 19:40, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Tamar of Kartli
Could you clarify what you mean when you wrote "Tamar was a co-regnant with her husband in Kartli"? Did she rule in her own right or was she just a wife (queen consort) with some influence over her husband? --The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 16:41, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Noe Zhordania
Hi Kober, fyi: though some time ago, you put some conflicting information in the article, see Talk:Noe Zhordania. Do you have a change to correct this on the basis of reliable sources? Cheers! --FordPrefect42 (talk) 18:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

აფხაზეთი
კობერ, ისევ მე გაწუხებ, შეიძლება არ გცალია, მაგრამ რომელ ქართველსაც კი შეუძლია თავისი წვლილის შეტანა ინგლისურ ვიკიში ყველას ვწერ Talk:Abkhazia აქ აფხაზეთის სტატიას ბლოკი მოხსნეს და ცვლილებების შეტანაზე ვეჩალიჩები, ერთ-ორი მომხმარებელია ისეთი ვინც პრო-აფხაზურს აწვება და იქნებ შენი აზრიც დაგეფიქსირებინა, თან ინგლისურიც ჩემზე კარგად იცი :) -- Balakhadze Flag of Georgia.svg 12:27, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ვწუხვარ, რომ აქტიურად ვერ გეხმარები. ჩემი დროც და ენერგიაც ამჟამად ძალიან შეზღუდულია. ზოგადად დამღალა ვიკიზე 8-წლიანმა ომმა. როგორც კი უფრო მეტი თავისუფლება მექნება რეალური ცხოვრებისგან, შემოგიერთდებით. --KoberTalk 17:20, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Famous Georgian people
Can you give your opinion on User talk:Permaveli?--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 21:48, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Apologies
I did actually mean to keep the correct date in this edit, but somehow ended up putting in the correct one. Sorry for making more work for you! Number  5  7  10:37, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No prob. Thanks for your input. --KoberTalk 12:02, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Wives of David II of Kakheti and Constantine II of Kakheti
Do you know the proper names of the wives and fathers-in-law of David II of Kakheti and Constantine II of Kakheti? David's article says "Yatar, daughter of the shamkhal Jahan-Begum" how would you write? I seen it "Jatri-Djahan-Begum of Jerevan" iahere and "Fakhri Jan Begum" here. Constantine's article only mentions his first wife, which I am not really concerned with since she died before her husband's reign, but this mentions a second wife "daughter of H.E. Fath 'Ali Khan Daghistani, I'timad ud-Daula, sometime Chief Minister of Persia". Who is Constantine's father-in-law? I notice that whenever I copy names from sites that this or even their Wikipedia article it is wrong like in the case of Ghias ad-din's name before you create an article for him. --The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 01:07, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Also do you know if these Persian/Ottoman subordinate kings of Georgia married their wives monogamously in Christian ceremonies (making them queens) or were they polygamous concubines (therefore not queens) much like their counterparts in Persia or the Ottoman Empirre.--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 01:06, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Khorashan of Kartli
I nominated an article of yours for DYK. Feel free to propose a different hook. SL93 (talk) 02:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

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Battle of Basian
Hello Kober, How are you?

Been a while since we talk. Anyway, can you see if my comment her is correct. Geagea 23:52, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

debate about Stalin's birthplace/ethnicity you mentioned ...
Stalin's background and birthplace are fully documented - there's no debate in scholarly circles. He was born in the town of Gori, Tiflis Governorate, Russian Empire (present-day Georgia). I'm not sure what "debate" you say is raging but it certainly isn't among scholarly academics. HammerFilmFan (talk) 08:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Need help with DYK nom of Khorashan of Kartli
You're probably aware that the article Khorashan of Kartli has been nominated for DYK – the discussion is at Template:Did you know nominations/Khorashan of Kartli. I'm unable to verify the proposed hook because the source is in French; we normally assume good faith on foreign-language sources, but in this case, we need to know whether the hook fact (that Khorashan was scared into hiding by a nightmare) is known to have happened or is just a story, which isn't clear from the article. I'd be grateful if you could help us out. DoctorKubla (talk) 14:09, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Georgian help needed
Hello Kober, I'm contacting you because we need some Georgian translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on ka.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need help with a personal message for the Georgian Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 17:35, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

გაუმარჯოს კობერ
კობერ ასეთი ტაიმლაინის გაკეთება მინდა და როგორ გავაკეთო ხო არ იცი? დინასტიების მონაცვლეობა მინდა რო მივუთითო მხოლოდ მეფეების გარეშე და როგორ გავაკეთო იქნებ იცოდე. <font color="#000000">GeorgianJorjadze  17:06, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Talk:List of Georgian monarchs#Splitting into many lists
Check out Talk:List of Georgian monarchs.--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 00:13, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please give your opinions on my proposals and tell me which you think is better.--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 01:24, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I carrying out the split and keeping Iberia for now. If you think the list should begin in 1008 instead please give your opinion and why.--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 01:36, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

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Please comment on Georgia (country) to Georgia move suggestion
Please comment here. Thanks. georgian JORJADZE 18:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * კობერმოკლედ შშენიდახმარება ხსირად მმწირდება ხოლმე აააქ შშშენიი ელლლფოსტაა დამიწერრე რაა ოღღონდდ ქქარტული ააასოებიტ შშენი რჩჩჩჩევვვები მწიირდებამაგრა. ძალლლით ვწერასეროვერგაიგონრა georgian JORJADZE 06:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * გაუმარჯოს. მარცხენნა გვერდითთ მენიუშში არისს ლინქი "ემეილ თჰის იუსერრ".--KoberTalk 12:30, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Did you know nominations
You should do yourself a favor and nominate your new articles for DYK for some recognition and more viewership. I helped you out with Template:Did you know Prince El-Mirza of Kakheti.--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 15:10, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Prince El-Mirza of Kakheti
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DYK for Khorashan of Kartli
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Last Queen of Imereti
Is Mariam Dadiani, the wife of Solomon II of Imereti known for anything special?--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 18:44, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

ჯაყისმანის მონასტერი
გამარჯობა კობერ, თუ შეგიძლია ეს სტატია, რომ თარგმნო ინგლისურად, თუ არ ვცდები შენი ინტერესების სფეროში შედის. :) --Jaba1977 (talk) 15:28, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


 * თუ დამეხმარებით ხაშურის მუნიციპალიტეტის ძეგლების შესახებაც (მხოლოდ ისინი, რომელთაც მიენიჭა ეროვნული მნიშვნელობის კატეგორია პრეზიდენტის ბრძანებულების თანახმად) რომ თარგმნოთ სტატიები. თუ მოისურვებთ მოგაწვდით ქართულ ბმულებს. --Jaba1977 (talk) 15:40, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

წყაროდ ეს გამოგადგება, რაც შეეხება კატეგორიას აუცილებლად შევქმნი და შენი დახმარების იმედი ნამდვილად მექნება. სხვათა შორის სწორედ შენმა სიამ მიბიძგა მომეწერა, ჯაყისმანზე ინფორმაციას ვეძებდი და შენს სიას გადავაწყდი. :) --Jaba1977 (talk) 15:50, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

აი კატეგორიაც და მერწმუნე ქართული ვიკიპედიის ყველა ის სტატია მოხვდება ამ კატეგორიაში, რომელსაც ეროვნული მნიშვნელობის კატეგორიის კულტურის უძრავი ძეგლის სტატუსი მიენიჭა. --Jaba1977 (talk) 16:01, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


 * ქართულ ვიკიპედიაში არსებული ყველა (207) სტატია მოვაქციე კატეგორიაში. --Jaba1977 (talk) 13:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

ძველი გავაზის ეკლესია
ეს სტატია თქვენი დაწერილი ყოფილა, წყაროს ხომ არ მიუთითებდით? --Jaba1977 (talk) 06:34, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you. Much appreciated. --KoberTalk 17:14, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mingrelian Nationalist Party


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Prince Jibrael of Georgia
If in the future you have time you should improve Prince Jibrael of Georgia?--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 02:38, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. --KoberTalk 18:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

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აზრი?
კობერ რატომ ყოფ ბაგრატიონების შტოებს? ან რა აზრი აქვს? მაშინ იმერეთის და გრუზინსკებიც უნდა დავანაწილოთ და რა აზრი აქვს ასე მუხრანელების შტოს ცალკე გამოყოფას? Jorjadze (ჯჯჯ) 17:17, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * ვერ გავიგე შეკითხვა. რას ნიშნავს ვყოფ? კატეგორიებად დაყოფა ბროუზინგის გასაადვილებლად ხდება და რაიმე ქვეტექსტი არ აქვს. რაც შეეხება შტოებს, ისინი ცალ-ცალკე საგვარეულოებად ჩამოყალიბდნენ საუკუნეების განმავლობაში. ჰქონდათ საერთო წამომავლობა, მაგრამ ცალ-ცალკე საგვარეულოებია დღემდე. --KoberTalk 17:20, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * ეგრე თუ წავლათ მაშინ ტაო კლარჯეთის ბაგრატიონებიც უნდა დავყოთ. ანუ ამ გზით მიდიხარ? Jorjadze (ჯჯჯ) 17:22, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * რატომაც არა? რა პრობლემაა? მაგრამ მანდ არ იქნება იმდენი წარმომადგენელი, რომ ცალკე კატეგორიებად დავყოთ.--KoberTalk 17:25, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * გრუზინსკებად გიორგი XII ეს შთამომავლები არიან ხო? მაშინ მაგ ქვეკატეგორიას მე შევქმნი და წაგეხმარები. Jorjadze (ჯჯჯ) 17:28, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * მანდ ცოტა სიფრთხილეა საჭირო. "გრუზინსკი" ორი სხვადასხვა შტოს სახელი იყო. ერთი რუსეთში ემიგრირებულ მუხრანელთა ჩამომავლები იყვნენ და მე-19 საუკუნის ბოლოს გაქრნენ. დღევანდელი გრუზინსკები კი არიან გიორგის შთამომავლები და მაგათი მოთავსება თავისუფლად შეიძლება კახეთის შტოს კატეგორიაში. --KoberTalk 17:32, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * ისე ამ "გრუზინსკებს" რატომ არ ვთარგმნით "of Georgia"-ად? მუხრანელებიც ხო რუსულად მუხრანსკები იყვნენ მარა of Mukhrani-ა თარგმანში და გრუზინსკები არ გადავთრგმნოთ? გიორგი XII ის შთამომავლები of Georgia-ად უნდა დაიწეროს ჩემი აზრით? არა? Jorjadze (ჯჯჯ) 17:36, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * უფრო ალბათ იმიტომ, რომ "გრუზინსკი" გვარია რეალურად. "მუხრანელი" იმ დროს უფრო წოდება იყო, ვიდრე გვარი. შემდეგ ეგეც გაგვარდა რა თქმა უნდა და სხვადასხვა ფორმით (მუხრანბატონი, მუხრანსკი, ბაგრატიონ-მუხრანელი). ეგ ალბათ იმის მიხედვით უნდა ავირჩიოთ, რომელი კონკრეტული წარმომადგენელი რომელ ფორმას იყენებდა თვითონ.--KoberTalk 17:39, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * პრინციპში, ერეკლეს და გიორგის უშუალო შთამომავლებისთვისაც "გრუზინსკი" წოდება უფრო იყო და ამიტომაც მათ ჩვენ აქაც ვიხსენიებთ, როგორც "of Georgia"; მაგრამ მას შემდეგ, რაც შემდგომმა თაობებმა რუსეთის იმპერიაში თავიანთი თავადური წოდება-ტიტულების ოფიციალური აღიარება მოიპოვეს და რუსეთის თავად-აზნაურობას გაუთანაბრდნენ წოდება-ტიტულებით, "გრუზინსკი", "მუხრანსკი" და ა.შ. გვარებად დაუმტკიცდათ. ნუგზარ ბაგრატიონ-გრუზისკის "of Georgia"-დ ვერ დავწერთ რა თქმა უნდა; კაცს პასპორტში გრუზინსკი უწერია :). -KoberTalk 17:45, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * კი გეთანხმები ეგრეა. მაგრამ ჩემი აზრით ეს დაყოფა მაინც არ იყო საჭირო. ადრე ყველა ერთად რო იყო უფრო ადვილი იყო ასოების მიხედვით სია იყო ჩამოშლილი და არ იყო საჭირო ზედმეტი ძებნა ყველასი ცალცალკე შტოებში. ნუგზარზე და მამამისზე გასაგებია მაგრამ აი მის ბაბუას ბაგრატის მერე ალექსანდრეს და პეტრეს of Georgia არ ეკუთვნით? Jorjadze (ჯჯჯ) 17:51, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * რა თქმა უნდა არა... მათ პასპორტებში გრუზინსკი ეწერათ. ერეკლესა და გიორგის უშუალო შთამომავლების (შვილები, ზოგიერთი შვილიშვილი) გარდა ყველა უკვე "გრუზინსკია" პასპორტით, ტიტულით, თავად-აზნაურთა სიებით, გერბით... ასე დაუმტკიცეს მათ რუსეთის იმპერიის შესაბამისი აქტებით და ასე შემორჩათ დღემდე. --KoberTalk 17:57, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * მუხრანელები არ არიან მერე პასპორტით მუხრანსკები? მაშინ სამივეს გარუსებული სახელი უნდა მივცეთ. იმერეტინსკებს, გრუზინსკებს და მუხრანსკებს. მე ამ დაყოფას მაინც არ ვეთანხმები და ჯობდა ერთად ყოფილიყო და დაყოფის აზრს ვერ ვხედავ. Jorjadze (ჯჯჯ) 18:01, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * ზოგი მუხრანელია, ზოგი მუხრნასკი, ზოგი დე მუხრანი და ა.შ.... მათი საერთო წარმომავლობა არის მე-16 საუკუნის მუხრანის სახლი, რომელიც ინგლისურად არის "of Mukhrani"... ამიტომაც თავსდება ყველა პიროვნება ამ გვარის სხვადასხვა ფორმით კატეგორიაში სახელწოდებით "of Mukhrani". ბაგრატიონების შესახებ ყველა სტატიის ერთ კატეგორიაში ჩაყრა ტექნიკურ უხერხულობას ქმნის. სხვა არაფერი... სხვა თუ არაფერი, ეს შტოები მე ხომ არ დამიყვია?! ისტორიამ დაყო. :) --KoberTalk 18:07, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * კატეგორიას რა სახელები მივცეთ მაშინ? House of Mukhrani ეს ერთი და იმერეთის ბაგრატიონებს? ან გიორგი XII-ეს შთამომავლობას რა დავარქვათ კატეოგორიაში? House of Gruzinsky? Jorjadze (ჯჯჯ) 18:11, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * მაგ., იმერეთის ბაგრატიონებს - House of Bagrationi of Imereti, გიორგი XII-ს შთამომავლობა თავისუფლად მოთავსდება - House of Bagrationi of Kakheti... House of Gruzinsky-ს არ გირჩევდი ისევ და ისევ იმ მიზეზით, რომ გრუზინსკი ორი სხვადასხვა შტოს გვარი იყო - ერთი მუხრანის, მეორე კახეთის. ჩემი დასახელებული კატეგორიები მხოლოდ ვარიანტებია... კიდევ შეიძლება ფიქრი... --KoberTalk 18:16, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * ჩემი აზრით ასე უნდა დავყოთ. აი როგორც საგვარეულო ხე გავაკეთე ისე ვქნათ ზუსტად. House of Kartli, House of Kakheti და Imereti. ასე აჯობებს. და ეს ზედმეტი გრუზინკსი მუხრანსკები და ა.შ აღარ დაგვჭირდება კატეგორიების მიცემისას. მგონი ასე აჯობებს. თან ქართლის ხიდან ყველა არ იყო მუხრანსკი და არც ყველა იყო გრუზინსკი კახელებიდან ასე რომ ჯობია ქართლ-კახეთი-იმერეთის ბაგრატიონებად დავყოთ და ბოლოს მივცეთ ტაოკლარჯეთიც თუ გინდა. ყველაზე კარგი ვარიანტია მგონი. აბა რას იტყვი? Jorjadze (ჯჯჯ) 19:24, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * House კი არა აი ასე ვქნათ დაახლოებით:
 * Bagrationi of Kartli
 * Bagrationi of Kakheti
 * Bagrationi of Imereti
 * Bagrationi of Tao-Klarjeti Jorjadze (ჯჯჯ) 19:27, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

მშვენიერია. ტაო-კლარჯეთზე ჯერ თავი შევიკავოთ. მოვიფიქროთ მერე. იმიტომ, რომ ძნელია გარკვევა სად მთავრდება ტაო-კლარჯეთის ბაგრატიონები. ნუ, ალბათ, პირობითად ბაგრატ მესამით. მაგრამ მაინც ვიფიქროთ... --KoberTalk 19:30, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * ბარემ თუ დაყოფაა დაყოფა იყოს. ტაო კლარჯეთზე კი არა მაგის გაყოფაც შეიძლება ორად ტაოდ და კლარჯეთად მარა ეგ მერე მოვიფიქროთ. House of Mukhrani-ს მაშინ გადაარქვი სახელი და მე იმერეთს და კახელებს მოვუვლი. Jorjadze (ჯჯჯ) 19:37, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * კატეგორიების სახელის გადარქმევა მხოლოდ ადმინისტრატორებს შეუძლიათ. ან რას აშავებს House of Mukhrani? აბა სხვა რა დავარქვათ??--KoberTalk 19:40, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * ადმინს მოგვიანებით ვთხოვ რო გადაარქვას. კახელებს და იმერელბს მოვუარე და მერე ქართლსაც მივხედავ. შემდეგ განვიხილოთ ტაოკლარჯეთზე ღირს თუ არა დაშლა. ამ ბაბადიშებს და გოჩაშვილებს წინ ბაგრატიონი რატომ წაუშალე? ეგრე არ ქვია? Jorjadze (ჯჯჯ) 20:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * არასდროს ერქვათ ეგრე... არსად შემხვედრია. მხოლოდ მე-20 საუკუნის ბოლოს ზოგიერთმა ბაბადიშვილემა დაიმატა ბაგრატიონი, რომ ხაზი გაესვა წარმომავლობისთვის. საერთოდ, ბაბადიშვილების უშუალო გენეალოგიური კავშირი ბაგრატიონებთან ცოტა საკამათო საკითხია.--KoberTalk 20:53, 4 October 2013 (UTC)