User:Leadwind/LimaRFC


 * I'm putting together a request for comment on user:Lima, and I'm logging my links here. Leadwind (talk) 15:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Notes and suggestions.

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Statement of the dispute
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I would like Lima to really stop violating guidelines and policies. I suggest an action that would really get his attention, as the Wikiquette alert obviously didn't work. But I have no idea what the scope of actions are. WP would be better directly and indirectly if Lima were banned. WP would be even better off if he would just play fair.

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Lima promotes and defends a pro-Roman Catholic POV, and he repeatedly violates WP guidelines and policies in doing so. Despite numerous attempts to explain these guidelines and policies to him, he continues to violate them. His pattern of behavior is well-established over a year of editing on various religion-oriented pages: purgatory, original sin, baptism, history of the Eucharist, etc.

The particular case that prompted this RfC is on Baptism. Here, Lima mucked with referenced material that he disagreed with. I called a Wikiquette alert on the issue. Later, when I was no longer active on Baptism, Lima went back and deleted the referenced information that he'd been mucking with. Instead of addressing this deletion on Talk, he hid it under the innocuous edit summary "some corrections." When I asked him about it on his Talk page, he wouldn't own up to it. This sequence demonstrates that Lima is acting in bad faith. He's obscuring his edits because he knows the community is against them.

This particular case is relatively minor compared to the campaign of disinformation and obstruction that Lima has pursued on Purgatory and other pages, but it's a clear, concise demonstration of his bad faith.

Evidence of disputed behavior
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 * Later, Lima is still messing with sourced information on the Baptism page and using primary sources (scripture) as comparable to scholarly sources.
 * Here on Baptism he straight-up deletes a referenced sentence about Jesus not baptizing. He's deleting referenced information that doesn't square with his POV in favor of primary-source references, after the Wikiquette alert.
 * Back when Lima was wikistalking me (which he admitted and attempted to justify in mediation), he edited the "lake of fire" page, generally making it less encyclopedic.
 * On 1 Peter, Lima removes referenced information from the lead.



Applicable policies and guidelines

 * WP:V
 * WP:NOR
 * WP:SOAP
 * WP:DE
 * WP:POINT
 * WP:EQ

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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 * RfC regarding Purgatory. Talk:Purgatory
 * Wikiquette alert regarding Baptism. Wikiquette_alerts/archive33
 * Information mediation attempt on Purgatory. Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-05-28 Purgatory, Wikipedia_talk:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-05-28_Purgatory/Archive001
 * Many attempts by various users to engage Lima in productive discussion or warn him about problematic edits and behavior on his talk page.
 * Many attempts by various users to engage Lima in productive discussion or warn him about problematic edits and behavior on article talk pages.

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