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 * @Kautilya3 ,

First of all the question here was over adding naga-ashvattama liasion. No point in discussing over 'Andhra origin' which is already made clear by all the sources. If one reads thoroughly the sources right from Gabriel to sastri, it is very evident.

-> Early Pallavas first reigned in Andhra region at lower Krishna river before they intruded south and conquered kanchi.

Sources: Gabriel in page 8,9,10. 'Mydavolu Grant's is the earliest grant from Guntur. This was not issued by Skandavarman rather his father's grant and Gabriel explain that Skandavarman is not contemporary post the downfall of Satavahanas rather his father was. He states his father reigned at Amaravati first immediately after pulamovi (Satavahanas).

K.R subramani book states "Pallavas were intruders of Tamilnadu" and feudatories of Satavahanas.

Sailendranath nath also states the same

"The most acceptible view seems to be that the pallavas rose into prominence in the service of the Satavahanas in the south eastern division of their empire and founded the new dynasty after the downfall of their overlords. This view gains credence from the earliest pallava inscription in Prakrit recently discovered in the Palnadu taluk of guntur district which clearly mentions simhavarman of the pallava dynasty"

Also says :

"Sivaskandavarman was the greatest of the early pallavas and his dominions extend from Krishna to the south pennar and to Bellary district." This is very clear. Page numbers are provided in my earlier statements.

Aiyangar also states

"The earliest of these Pallava charters is the one known as the Mayidavolu 1 (Guntur district) copper-plates" by father of him" Irrespective of what been argued.

Hirahadagali copper plate in Prakrit also states in 8th reignal year of Skandavarman from Kanchi 283AD confirms the gift made by his father who is described merely as his Boppadeva(revered father) founders of pallava.

Regarding the capital Amaravati, I quoted from the book Encyclopaedia of Untouchables Ancient, Medieval and Modern by Raj Kumar and not my own assumption( Irrespective of this book reliability)

Even if we exclude 'Amaravati' being capital undoubtedly from above sources pallavas are of 'Andhra origin' who later intruded to Tamil land.

-Some user above was saying why didn't they issue grants in Telugu local language? I request him let us not go by personal assumptions to mislead other users.

Reason: First Telugu literary inscription is found at the end of 6th Century of renati Cholas and Telugu script did not evolve by then. Andhra satavahanas or Andhra ikshvakus did not contribute to Telugu rather their language was Prakrit and used Prakrit along with Sanskrit.

But Tamil literature evolved by then but it was only in seventh century Tamil grants of pallavas were found.

Let me also correct on him stating tondaimandalam(kanchi). Please note tondaimandalam is not confined to kanchi or Tamil region rather also include present day Telugu areas.

Another big evidence : 

Velurupalayam grants tells the conquest of Kanchi by kumaravishnu or Skandavarman.

Rev. H Heras, SJ (1931) Pallava Genealogy: An attempt to unify the Pallava Pedigrees of the Inscriptions, Indian Historical Research Institute Clearly translates velurupalayam plates and states The Pallavas captured Kanchi from the Cholas as recorded in the Velurpalaiyam Plates, around the reign of the fifth king of the Pallava line Kumaravishnu I.

What else one need to state that Pallavas originated in Andhra and clearly not in kanchi. I do not want to further prolong the same. Sources are clear and thus I am double strong on the same. If user still disagree then he is free to move to DRN page where the moderators can clearly derive the facts and confirm.I will be very glad if user moves to DRN page such that I can have chance to get all the sources validated and noone in future again try to alter or mislead the facts.&#32;By LovSLif (talk) 07:21, 29 June 2019 (UTC)