User:MPJ-DK/Archive 2

Referencing
MPJ-DK,
 * I'm sorry to see you leave the project. If you need any extra help with referencing additional articles, please let me know. MadMax 08:30, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I plan on keeping on working on wrestling articles, just keeping my own "to do" list etc, I'll let you know if I need a hand- and likewise, I've been a fan since 1989 so I got a lot of knowledge & history stashed away in my noggin' so if there are any of your articles you think I might be able to contribute to feel free to leave a list here and I'll give them a look. I want to focus on the positives, be a content contributor instead of having to jump through "Cite this" hoops all the time, it's easier this way. MPJ-DK 08:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd appreciate that, thanks. Most of my wrestling contributions are listed on my user page, a lot of the earliest being independent wrestlers although I've recently been working on regional and international wrestlers as well. Personally speaking, it does seem to be stressful to cite even trivial details. It doesn't exactly encourage editors to put a lot of work into an article when content can be removed at any time. MadMax 08:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll go through the list and add some references etc to reduce the chance of AfD'ing - seems like I already did a major update on Jonathan Boyd without realizing you created the article ;) MPJ-DK 09:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, great job! It's certainly far superior to my modest introduction. MadMax 09:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Steve Rizzono
Hi there. I was corresponding with MadMax about the Steve Rizzono article which is currently up for deletion. He said that you are proficient in the referencing and wrestling aspects of Wikipedia so I was wondering if you could take a look at the entry and let me know what you think. Regards!

Maryland Championship Wrestling
MPJ-DK,
 * Would you happen to know any reliable sources for Maryland Championship Wrestling's championship titles ? They've all been nominated for deletion recently and, while I've provided reference to Gary Will's "Wrestling Title Histories" as well as Solie's Title Histories and Puroresu Dojo, I was hoping to back up the individual results at prowrestilnghistory.com with no luck. Also I've been working on Billy Firehawk and I was curious if you knew any references for his career in IWCCW or ECW ? I know he competed as Fabulous Firehawk in both promotions and remained with ECW until late 1994, although I've no references to back it up. Again, I greatly appreciate your help providing references for other articles. MadMax 05:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've just finished a first draft, if you'd like to take a look. MadMax 11:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Just found a source for the McEwen/Odayko controversey, a column by the Washington Post. Nothing on the Shane Shamrock tournament yet, unfortunatly. I have however added a section on their television and online show Rage TV and incorperated the "further reading" section into the article. MadMax 00:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The last reference was great, thanks. I had idea of trying to compare attendence results between the Shane Shamrock Cup and the Super 8 Tournament and other independent events. How do you think it looks so far ? I know it still needs revising as far as being readable and especially get more of a sence of the promotion's history. If there's anything you can think of, please let me know. Again, I really appreciate all the help you've done. I've been stressing about the Shamrock Cup references for a while. :) MadMax 18:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The attendance of the final Shane Shamrock Cup in 2003 was over 1,000 according to 1wrestling.com while the Wrestling Information Archive  claims an attendance of 450 for the Super 8 Tournament in 2005 and The Wrestilng Clothesline  states 600 in 2007 (although the latter two, I believe, are generally not considered reliable sources). MadMax 18:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

MDJ-DK,
 * Do you think Maryland Championship Wrestling is ready to be restored or should the title pages should be saved and moved to a user subpage ? Also, would it be nessessary to cite the dvd's ? There are quite a few dvd's of MCW's television tapings, although would these be nessessary to include ? MadMax 19:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Again, I just want to say I really appreciate all the help. I enjoyed working with you on this article and, again, if you ever need any extra help please let me know. MadMax 20:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Silly mistake
In the Dynamite Kid article, you have his name as "Tom "British Bulldog" Billington" when it should be "Tom "Dynamite Kid" Billington."--Pharoahski 20:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC) Done--Pharoahski 20:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Notability (athletes)
MPJ-DK,
 * While this page is now defunct, do you think it applies to professional wrestling ? If not, do you think it might be worth creating something along these lines in regards to professional wrestlers ? MadMax 20:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Can-Am Express
MPJ-DK,
 * It its any help, Main Event: WWE in the 1980s (pg. 139) states:


 * In 1987, Martel returned to the World Wrestling Federation as part of the popular short lived duo the Can-Am Connection. Soon after their WrestleMania III victory over "Magnificent" Don Muraco & "Cowboy" Bob Orton. Martel's partner vanished after a prematch attack from the Hart Foundation.

As the article states Zenk left after the team last wrestled the Islanders in June, I wasn't sure how to reference it in the article. MadMax 03:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Ana Rocha
I've been doing some work on Ana Rocha, specifically providing sources to remove the deletion proposal of the article, and I found what seems to be her IMDb.com profile. However, if you'll note her official web page and this IMDb.com profile, the two seem drasticly contradictory although there are enough gaps in her filmography that she could have made these guest appearances. While I'm not sure how familiar you are in regards to the New England independent circuit, do you think there's anyway to verify any of this ? MadMax 07:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Blanking/Deletion
MPJ-DK,
 * Sorry, I don't mean to leave you so many messages. I noticed recently, a few editors have blanked articles (presumably due to WP:BLP) and then added a or by another user soon after, such as Team Madness. Should the blanked text be restored, and if so, should the  tag be removed ? I only ask as there's a good chance the article will be nominated regardless of the changes made. MadMax 10:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:ICW logo.jpg
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Big Mouth Loud
To be honest that's an article I'd recommend keeping, although it would need the help of a Japanese speaker to fix it up. sporsnavi covers all the Japanese promotions, and a site search returns plenty of results. One Night In Hackney 303  09:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll de-prod it, and try and find someone who can translate and/or find other sources. Although BML ran shows on a sporadic basis (and none since mid-2006) they generally had good attendances at Korakuen Hall (1500+) and they were on ESPN-J as well. There's a couple of possibilities for sourcing that I found straight away. The Japanese wiki version has plenty of information as well. Sportsnavi tend to do pretty in-depth coverage of news, for example they had this for the press conference for the launch of the GPWA. I can think of plenty of American promotions that we have articles on that are far less notable in America than BML are in Japan, so it makes sense to try and do something to save it. One Night In Hackney  303  09:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Incredibly Strange Wrestling page
Thank you for your help cleaning up the references on the Incredibly Strange Wrestling page. I couldn't quite figure out how to get the formatting right. Any other suggestions for this page?

hello
As far as im aware, policy allows for unsourced info to be removed at any time from bios of living people, and if wikipedia is going to be a trusted source for info then the stuff in the article must correspond to the sources. The majority of the time, info I removed is controversial. there should be no problem if we add sources to the articles to back up the info. I and others are trying to do that.La Parka Your Car 19:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC) sounds goodLa Parka Your Car 21:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Professional Championship Wrestling
The PROD was removed for the third time so I have nominted for AfD it can be found here, Darrenhusted 01:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC) I think you messaged just as I was listing, all the articles are now on the AfD. Darrenhusted 11:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the formatting, I have added some more pages, I hope I've caught them all. Darrenhusted 13:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

done
The Central States article is at the link you provided. Let me know when you're done so I can delete the subpage, ok? SirFozzie 14:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * After talking it over with Guy, I have restored the article Heart of America Sports Attractions, so there's no need for the subpage, you can just edit it in articlespace. Do you want me to post something on WP:PW to get other eyes on it as well? SirFozzie 15:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

With regards to sourcing TV
I've tried something at Hell in a Cell which may be a way to source PPV matches, and I may be able to format it for TV episodes (essentially we would have to agree on RAW and SD!'s first "Season" and then each episode would be 1-52), I'll work on something and get back to you. Darrenhusted 13:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...
for the compliment, I was going to leave the list as it is and start another AfD later in the week if the PRODs were unsuccessful, of course this means keeping a list and I just wanted to get as many in one go as possible. Darrenhusted 23:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm looking at these articles International Wrestling Syndicate, Genny Goulet, Eddy Dorozowsky, Chris Kindred, Ricky Reyes, Claudio Castagnoli, Dru Onyx, Mika Akino, Mariko Yoshida, Shimmer Women Athletes, Chikara Pro Wrestling and seeing a whole bunch of articles related to each other and occasionally mentioing WWE/WCW wrestlers but mostly relying on kayfabe writing and myspace pages as references. I'll make a deal, if you PROD them, I'll AfD any that have the PRODs removed. Darrenhusted 01:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Shag Thomas
I see you prodded the Shad Thomas article. Shag Thomas is a VERY NOTABLE wrestler from the 1950s & 1960s. He was a black wrestler during the days when most blacks would not get a fair shake in many organizations. There are two references listed for the article, which in my opinion, more than establish the notability of a wrestler from that far back. It is much more difficult to find reliable sources on info for wrestlers from that time. Even under the WP:N (which is not listed as a reason to delete an article under the deletion criteria...probably because it is only a guideline), it says that if notability could have been established some time in the past that notability continues on even if it is more difficult to prove at a later date. I mentioned it on the pro-wrestling talk page, but I think we need to give a little bit of leeway on the biographies of wrestlers from the pre-1980s (and probably more so the further one goes back). Anyway, I was going to remove the prod, but wanted to discuss this with you first. - T-75| talk | contribs 01:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It is on my list of articles to work on.  I'm actually the one to create it, but when I did I knew very little about creating and sourcing articles and having them look good.  Now that I do it's on my list of articles to try and improve. - T-75| talk | contribs  15:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

International Championship Wrestling
Hi MPJ-DK. You are off to such a great start on the article International Championship Wrestling that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page would help bring publicity to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. Again, great job on the article. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 14:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD
A user is having a pop at your voting record at Articles for deletion/Glen Osbourne. Darrenhusted 11:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem, the current crop of AfDs are full of spa editors or people making pointy edits. This guy was helpful in rounding up the AfDs in to one category (making it easier for multiple votes) and yet seems to be criticising people for taking advantage of his rounding up? Darrenhusted 12:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice work
Looks like you single handedly did a whole article. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Machines_%28professional_wrestling%29&diff=141802759&oldid=131444403

Nice work!

Notability guidelines
After you expressed your dissatisfaction with the way WP:PW was handling the much needed Notability Guidelines (and I agree with you...it was poor), I started a list of proposed guidelines to get people serious about the issue. I'm not sure if you've seen it (or if you care since you said you were done with the project), but I've gathered together some of the points we made and put it here: WikiProject Professional wrestling/Notability guidelines. I just thought I'd let you know in case you want to help. You can discuss changes on the talk page. Nikki311 07:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Glen Osbourne
Regardsing Articles for deletion/Glen Osbourne. I have updated the article, infobox and a few citations. The article should pass WP:BIO Athlete now. However it's still pretty poor on citation. Still depends on what you want to vote on it. But being that he competed in ECW and ECWA is passable for WP:BIO Athlete and being that he won belts, should be fairly notable in professional wrestling terms. Your thoughts are welcome know. Govvy 14:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Snapped_tooth
Hi MPJ-DK, your doing a great job putting sources in articles! Just to let you know that it seems like Snapped tooth is obseesed with Rico, as he just reverted your edit. Either that, or he's a Burntsauce sock (who hasn't edited since June 30) ... Davnel03 16:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * He's done it again... Davnel03 17:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * File a checkuser request here. Thanks. Davnel03 17:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Requests for checkuser/Case/Burntsauce. We'll have to wait for the result. Davnel03 18:03, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Bobby Eaton
Hi. I started to do some copyediting on the Bobby Eaton article, but I stopped when I got into more of the wrestling lingo. I don't follow wrestling at all, so I wasn't sure if the wording was correct or if it needed a good polishing. Is there a wrestling portal where you might be able to find someone who is familiar with the sport to copyedit for you? Karanacs 13:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have reviewed this article for GA and placed it on hold, please see the article talk page for details. Aboutmovies 20:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I know you have been working on the items, just let me know on my talk page when you think you are done and I'll re-read the article. Aboutmovies 18:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I started to go through the article, but got stuck. First I made some minor edits, but more troublesome was "Eaton was instrumental in running the duo off or at least that was the story given to the fans, in reality the Blondes signed with a different promotion. " from the section Wrestling career, end of second paragraph. I was trying to re-word the sentence to show a more encyclopedic variation and was looking for the info in the original source, but the source cited does not discuss running the Blondes off. As you are more familiar with the article/sources, is this perhaps in a different source? If so, here is more of what the sentence should look like: The Blondes then signed with a different promotion company, and Eaton was given a storyline where he was responsible for the Blondes leaving the region. Basically, articles should be like dry toast, rather boring prose and just the facts. The facts themselves can be entertaining and intriguing, but the reader needs to be left to decide that.
 * Other items: I would suggest taking a day off from the article, then come back and give it a thorough read through. This way simple mistakes like "In the end Bobby Eaton conclusively Chris Colt and thus earned..." from the section Coming of age can be caught (I'm guessing beat/defeated is needed after conclusively). In that same section spell out Memphis, Tennessee. At the beginning of that section: "making it look like Eaton had been seriously injured (in reality he was unharmed by the moved)." would be better as "making it appear Eaton had been seriously injured, though Eaton was not injured by the move. Same paragraph has he’d in it. Also "&" ampersands generally should not be used, but if used then used consistently. For instance when mentioning a tag team in then always use & inside the . But you can't then use them outside when refering to them in the paragraphs as the rest of the aricle uses and, so unless every "and" becomes a & (and I mean every single one) then it is not consistent. Thus it is best not to use it unless it is part of a formal name (see Tiffany & Co. for an example). I hope that makes sense.
 * Otherwise the article has been toned down, but examples continue: Eaton’s most successful parternership in the CWA was without a doubt with Sweet Brown Sugar (Koko B. Ware), the two... Where without a doubt becomes a value judgment. Instead just give the fact that this partnership produced X titles, compared to X titles with other parterships. This way the reader makes the judgment as to how successful each partnership was. Again, remember what the paper encylopedia entries looked like back in school (rather dry); basically more Bill Gates like, less Vince McMahon like. More like PBS, less like FOX.
 * On Friday I'll check back in and read the article. If it is GA quality at that point I'll pass it, if not I'll fail it. If it fails, I'll leave extensive notes on what needs to be improved. Once those are done, then just re-nominate. On the plus side, like I said this has plenty of depth, so once it passes GA it should have an easy time being brought up to FA. Aboutmovies

OK, I went through and made some changes, which is part of the reason I failed it, as I have probably done too much editing to be an uninterested party. But the article has come a long way since the nomination and I commend you for the work. Address those few items left and then you can re-nominate. Plus now you have better idea of what the process is like and the criteria, so next time and for future articles it will be a breeze. Again great job on the article. Aboutmovies 19:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Road Warriors
Hey, I reverted the revert only because I was looking to condense the references. Check it out and you'll see. I noted it wrong because I was doing it quick while at work. I'm sure you'll see what I mean, check it out... used for really long reference lists. Great tool! Hellswasteland 17:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The Big Event
The article says " It was released on VHS by Coliseum Home Video.", but I will seperate it out from the rest, would you agree the rest are all the same type of article though? Darrenhusted 19:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC) And the last four were in a different category to the first ten, meaning I didn't find them until I had already checked twenty articles in the one category, which is the one at the bottom of The Big Event. Darrenhusted 19:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So as not to confuse other would you mind deleting rather than striking through the comments? Darrenhusted 19:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Can You Help Me?
Hi MPJ-DK, I know you are aware of the dispute that went on about the Iconoclasm, and XiBalba on Aerial Techniques. After the long ridiculous debate, I renamed the move a Top Rope Flipping Slam and catagorized three moves underneath it in alphabetical order to be fair (Fall From Grace, Iconoclasm, and XiBalba). I re-wrote it all to ensure wikibility, and I referenced the moves (which might I add almost nothing is references on many of these pages). The account Timber99 was created right after I made the original change on the other page, and has made no other edits except to fight about this move or complain about myself or another user! Now all of a sudden, User:Lid is pulling a similar stunt where I moved everything as you suggested(Professional Wrestling Throws). My references are a story written on the wrestler from Wrestling Then & Now magazine, as well as an interview with the wrestler Brimstone. The ONLY references for the Iconoclasm are fan sites! There are no references that show this move as created by the wrestler CIMA. A lot of things concern me with this whole situation, from users to lack of proper referencing. On wiki, the claim with proper citation should stand, not an unreferenced piece of work or a poorly referenced work. Regardless, I need help. If this can not be resolved, then the whole move should come off until more referencing can be found. Now all of a sudden, Timber99 is responding to my plea to User:Spartaz. I am feeling as though something is going on here, and I am not going to accuse... however people can put two and two together WrestlefnLI 13:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

my editing style
hey, i know you read my proposed changes to the CM Punk article, and you already know I don't think too highly of it. As far as original research and the whole weasel/peacock words debate goes, I'm at a loss. I really don't know much about the entire laws and boudaries about that, but I can't stand to see how dull and unreadable the articles become otherwise. I mean, think about it; you can google and find all the wrestling events that a wrestler has been in during their career and if you write them in chronological order, along with attention to when they switched promotions or characters, and you make a FA? I don't think so. I don't think wikipedia should be a text dump, and I think articles should be edited with some deep, knowledgeable understanding.

Here, since you say I talk the talk but don't walk the walk, I want you to see the changes I made to Randy Orton. If you shit yourself, I know I did my job.-- Sc r ew ba ll 23 talk 02:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

the book refs section
I couldn't help but notice a new page dedicated to contacting users who have book references handy on wrestling facts. I'm just wondering about WrestleCrap. What exactly is it all about? I'm just wondering if there is anything really useful in there, like, what weakness does WWE have as far as appealing to the fans? Or is there is any background info on storylines? Is there any info to the backstage politics of the industry? Like, who makes the creative decisions? I'm wondering, because it looks like a book I'd like to read, and I also would like to know if you got anything useful from it.

Oh, and regarding the Randy Orton article, I realize that I did use peacock words and made some statements that are somewhat opinionated. However, I would leave it as is because it is better now than before. It is also much more interesting and removed a lot of ridiculous detail.-- Sc r ew ba ll 23 talk 19:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

hate to bother you again...
hey, i'm wondering about the Raging 80s book you have. Since the history of pro wrestling article is really low on pics, I'm wondering, could you scan pics from the book and place them on the site? Is that legal?-- Sc r ew ba ll 23 talk 19:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

wrestlecrap
yeah, you've got me thinking more about it now. I'm wondering, because in writing about wrestling's history, I wanted to get through to people who might not be familiar with what it is all about how wrestling has changed, and how it is based on creative storylines. The ideas of Crash TV and WWE Attitude and family-oriented characters are easy to understand for someone who watches wrestling, but for the average joe who might read the article, I'm thinking that I should write something to give people perspective on how the product changed, became stale, raunchy, or violent during its history, because not too many people are familiar with the changes that made it what it is.-- Sc r ew ba ll 23 talk 19:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I appreciate you going the extra mile to help me out, and it looks like it's working; I'm def sure now this is going to be a good read. If you need a favor here or there, let me know. ;) -- Sc r ew ba ll 23 talk 03:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Stu Hart
Okay, first of all I'm sorry for all the wrong things that I may have put on the page.I put a discussion on the Hart wrestling family page about just including all the information on that page on Stu's page since he is the patriarch.I don't believe that the Harts need a whole separate page when all the information was originally on his page to begin with.We do not need another whole page for them unless you have a really goood reason to have a separate page since most of the Harts aren't as notable as Bret or Owen.I would've deleted the page for nonsense because all you did was put the family tree that was on Stu's page on the Hart Wrestling family page which I thought was stupid.And I am calm, okay and I don't have any problem except I don't see the real need for this page since there's not any new information about the family or anything.But if you have a good reason to have the page, let me hear it, please.(MgTurtle 17:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)).

There's still nothing new to the page.I put the family and the family tree back on Stu's page (where it origianlly was) but I kept it on the Hart wrestling family and I nominated it for deletion.I know that the Hart family didn't stop when Stu passed or when Helen passed but there's no true reason to have a whole another page since the active Hart family members have their own page.I still don't see a good reason to keep the family and the family tree off of Stu hart's page since it does mention the his greatest accomplishment in life was his family.(MgTurtle 17:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)).

Bobby Eaton flag issue
Hi MPJ-DK, I'm guessing with the flag issue, I guess we are going to have to remove some of the flags for every wrestling article that has four flags in the infobox because of that point. Davnel03 19:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Professional wrestling GA-like comments
Hi MPJ-DK, I have addressed the comments you have made on Triple H and Shawn Michaels - most of them I have done. A comment for Triple H's one - I have not extended the early career yet but I might extend it if I get chance. Next, I'm onto Randy Orton. Davnel03 11:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry to keep asking you things, but I feel this is well deserved for your hard work:

User:Halbared
What the hell are you telling this user? This user came to my talk page about what kind of sources are supposed to be used and which ones are not and I discovered you're "blatant vandalism warning" to him. No thats not blatant vandalism, and you shouldn't confuse someone whose intent is to harm Wikipedia with someone who is editing with good faith. Yes, book sources are more reliable than fan sites like OWW, but reverting as vandalism when it's not vandalism, is not looked good upon, and users have been blocked for abusing edit summaries no less.

And Reliable sources/Noticeboard actually doesn't make it out to be unreliable, just not to be used as a sole references for an entire article. It's not being blacklisted, it's reliable, and the problem of it being used as a sole references in an article is being fixed by WP:PW. I know you know better than to decieve editors into thinking one thing thats not true, right? — M o e   ε  16:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No it's not as reliable as the book source, but pointing that out should have been handled better than "I'm giving you a blatant vandalism warning" type messages, thats not blatant vandalism, any which way you look at it. If he blunders, you are expected to conduct yourself in a civil manner and not resort to misusing vandalism tags that don't apply. OWW is a tertiary source, being a tertiary source doesn't automatically make it unreliable. There are many several instances on OWW that are reliable, and rarely anything on there is untrue. I told this editor to use better sources than OWW, and whenever a better source is available, to use it. There is no consensus to state it is unrelaible at the discussion you linked and there sure as hell no consensus to blacklist it. There was no attack upon you, confronting you about your conduct towards editors is perfectly allowed on Wikipedia. And FYI WP:ILIKEIT doesn't apply to discussions about sourcing, it refers to XFD discussions. —  M o e   ε  21:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Look, the main reason I came here was that you called him a blatant vandal, he's not a blatant vandal and shouldn't be labeled as one, which you quite clearly called him. You don't call editors trying help the encyclopedia vandals when you disagree with thier edits, period. Thank you! — M o e   ε  16:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

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Eddie Fatu
I look forward to the comments you make about the article. Thanks. Davnel03 19:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The article looks in a bit of a mess, and with so much to do, I think it would be better to go ahead and fail the article, as its going to take quite a bit of time to rectify the current problems. Plus, the articles been vandalised as what has come out about him possibly being suspended. Thanks - Davnel03 09:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The Fabulous Kangaroos
(cross posted from the Pro Wrestling talk page) I've just finished my copyediting of The Fabulous Kangaroos (I'm sure it could be better but I made a lot of progress) and have posted some comments and questions about the article on its talk page. Please read the talk page when you have time, and answer my question if you can. Thanks, --Naha|(talk) 05:53, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, thanks for the barnstar! I had no idea you were a Dane either heh ;) Copyediting is probably my strongest area ..the thing I do best around here, so if you ever need my help in the future, with that or anything else, please don't hesitate to ask! Thanks again, --Naha|(talk) 20:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

GA/FA guidelines
(also left a response on my talk page too). Ok I've done a lot of copyediting on that page but I am not done yet and am breaking for now to watch the SummerSlam PPV! Not quite ready for you to post it to WP:PW yet if you can hold out. Thanks, --Naha|(talk) 00:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I should be able to finish this tomorrow hopefully, today is really busy. Thanks, --Naha|(talk) 22:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've done a bit more work on it, but I can't help but feel like its still missing something ..I just don't know what. I'm also not sure if there is enough information about FA ...most of it is GA stuff. Let me know if you have any ideas or suggestions. --Naha|(talk) 00:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Al Costello
I've done some more work on copyediting this article tonight, but I'm still not completely satisfied with it. Hopefully I can look at it again at some point during this week. --Naha|(talk) 02:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Steriods Conversation
Thanks for jumping in there and saving everyone. It was getting a bit heated and I was getting concerned that I was participating in such a conversation and furthering it along, but I kept going because I really wanted to make sure the Wikipedia polices were understood. I've been on Moe's side of the same type of conversation before and its not exactly fun, however the experience caused me to delve into Wikipedia policy a lot more so that I'd know (most of the time anyway) what I was talking about. While I've come a long way as far as understanding Wikipedia, I still have a ways to go as far as "knowing when to quit" and I freely admit that. I've gotten alot better though and will keep trying to do so. --Naha|(talk) 15:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

On that note:

Kurt Angle
Just dropping you a line to let you know that I've finished addressing all of your and Naha's comments on Kurt Angle's article. She seems to agree. Will you go take a look? Nikki311 00:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:PW
I completely understand your frustration and choice to leave and have been riding the fence myself the last few days but am not yet ready to throw in the towel. I appologize if I have in any way contributed to your hair pulling, as I know I have been pretty vocal in some of the more heated discussions as of late. I'm honestly just trying to help keep this thing out of the gutter. Your contributions to these articles and input in discussions in the area of pro wrestling will be greatly missed; you are an excellent editor. I know wherever you decide to focus your Wiki-attention on now will greatly benefit from you contributions. /salute --Naha|(talk) 17:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

NWF and such
Dude, thanks for keeping my Terry Taylor update, the match happened on Prime Time Wrestling in June or July of 1988.

As for the NWF wrestlers, come talk to me sometime, there's lots of things I know about that federation and the wrestlers too. I'll even write you a list that you can allow me to edit. Take care man

Snuffereet 10:54, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

December to Dismember (2006)
Would you mind having a look over December to Dismember (2006), as the article is currently up for peer review. I'd be grateful for any thoughts you might have on the article, and that you leave your thoughts on the article here. Many thanks in advance, Davnel03 20:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

more notes
Jack Petruzzi, older brother was a lot better than poor AJ :) He challenged for the NWF title on numerous occasions.  Many people have not heard of the Div Div Monster, whose real name is pretty ordinary (Steven Smith).  But I have lots of details if you wish to know.  See ya man.

Chitpantzer 22:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Pedro Morales
Online cites appear somewhat hard to find, I guess because his career was before the internet era but I found these two wich are quite informative, as well as his official WWE profile. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  21:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I will squeze all that can be useful out of what we already got between today and tommorow but some new material is more than welcome, I wonder if somebody within the project has a public photo of him. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  14:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Findind anything new has been a pain, of the few references out there that aren't Wikipedia mirrors none of the ones I have read provide something new, any luck with the magazines? -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  02:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Library
I noticed you removed all of your entries from the WP:PW library as your no-longer connected with WP:PW. However, wouldn't it of been best if you kept your book on there in case any member of the project needs to contact you for a particular detail of Jerry Lawler which is set to be the COTW next week. Without your details on there, we wouldn't know who had particular books, and therefore we wouldn't be able to get info we needed. Although its obviously your choice (and I respect whatever decision you make), I strongly suggest you reinsert the details on your books and VHS' back onto the page. If you don't, us at WP:PW are losing out on what could be very useful information without your details on the page. Thanks, Davnel03 16:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Al Costello
I had a chance to go through the article today. It's looking really good. I made a few very small changes. I had a couple of thoughts, though. Anyhow, just a couple of thoughts. Again, great job. GaryColemanFan 21:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It would be nice to have an internal link to List of NWA territories, as the article refers to a few territories that don't have articles. Perhaps one of the times you refer to a territory on the list (NWA Detroit, NWA Western States, etc.).
 * At the end, you mention that Al Snow focused on his WWF career. You haven't stated what the WWF is by that point, though. You mention Capitol Wrestling, the WWWF, and WWE, but not WWF. Perhaps another internal link (it could go to the WWE article, which would inform the reader about what the WWF is/was).

One last thing...it would be good if you could source some of the information in the infobox (specifically, his birth date, trainer, and debut). There's apparently some conflicting information, and some of the information is difficult to find sources for. GaryColemanFan 21:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Don Kent (wrestler)
I've gone through the first few sections of this article, and I have a few comments:
 * It's hard to tell if the references apply to entire paragraphs or just the final sentence. Does reference #2 discuss Kent's high school, the Red Sox's interest and working at the VAMC, or just the VAMC part? And am I correct in assuming that it should say "Kent worked at a Veterans Administration Medical Center" instead of "as"?
 * Fixed. GaryColemanFan 20:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * At the final paragraph of the "Fabulous Kangaroos" section, you mention twice that Costello needed a full hip replacement. This seems redundant.

That's all so far, but I'll finish going through it when I have a chance. Good work so far. GaryColemanFan 03:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * One more thing for now: near the end of the Working Alone paragraph, you say that Kent beat Colon but then lost the title. What title did he win from Colon? It's not mentioned in the article. GaryColemanFan 17:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I made it through the article (it's been a busy weekend), and I have a couple more questions:
 * In the "Kangaroo return" section, it says that Kent was replaced with "Johnny Heffernan". The article seems to indicate that it was actually Bekkar who was replaced by Heffernan.
 * It also says that Kent and Costello took Dillon's side against Costello. I'm assuming that it was actually Kent and Heffernan.

I hope this is helping. I don't want to make any major changes, since I'm definitely no expert on the Kangaroos. There are just those four concerns remaining, and I think the article should be good to go. GaryColemanFan 20:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The section that I am confused about is the final sentence in the "Working alone" paragraph: "Shortly after losing the Caribbean title, Kent moved up a level and defeated Puerto Rican legend Carlos Colón on August 3, 1979 only to lose the title to Invader I three weeks later in Ponce, Puerto Rico."
 * This takes place after he lost the Caribbean title, so what title did he lose to Invader I? Did Kent win it from Colon? I believe you're referring to the WWC North American Heavyweight Championship, but this isn't actually stated in the article. GaryColemanFan 21:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/December to Dismember (2006)
I noticed you were having a few discussions with Lex about the "Event" section, and the pre-determined thing. As I nominated it for FAC, I have brought it up at WP:PW to get a thorough consensus on this (along with other issues concerning the article). I hope you don't mind, but I have mentioned you in the post. The discussion (which you will probably want to comment on) is here. Thanks! Davnel03 12:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately it's been failed. As I nominated it only four days ago, I've left a message on Raul's talkpage, asking him to let the FAC keep going if that's possible. :( Davnel03 14:38, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Reply
Seems unlikely. Lex94 appears to be a reasonable guy. Of course this is my opinion of the guy based on his contributions today. I haven't had the chance to meet him yet though I am looking forward to collaborating with him and other new WP:PW members as well as my old pals in the near future. For now everything seems alright.-- bullet proof  3:16 05:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup Taskforce
Please feel free to assign yourself tasks from the list of unassigned tasks at Cleanup Taskforce. Arranging assignments is too much work for me to do by myself. We have a large backlog of unassigned tasks and there is probably something in there that will interest you. RJFJR 22:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

User:MPJ-DK/Uncensored (1995)
Good luck! Any queries - you know where my talkpage is! :) Davnel03 16:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Al Costello passed
Congratulations! I have passed the article Al Costello as a good article! You may place this on your userpage as a badge of the hard work you put in the article. . My regards, and a job well done! FamicomJL 17:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

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GA Reviews/Apology
I've seen the GA reviews that you've done of some professional wrestling articles, and I think you've done a great job at being objective and giving constructive feedback. I'm assuming your comments on the WP:PW discussion page were (at least in part) a response to a statement I recently made. I wanted to let you know that I have absolutely no problem with the GA reviews that you've done. My concern is when I see a review that is passed without any comments or recommendations for improvements. I have reservations about other reviews that I've seen, but I couldn't think of any way to say "I'd like someone outside WP:PW to review this article, but MPJ-DK would also be okay." I want to thank you for the great job you've done at reviewing articles, and I want to apologize if you thought I was implying that your reviews show any subjectivity or conflict of interest. Please don't quit doing them on my account. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanksgiving
A little late, but...

02:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/In Your House 1
Thanks for commenting on the FAC. I have replied to your comments, and i admit that I probably nominated it a little too soo. I look forward to your replies. Could you possibly strike out the comments that have been resolved too, so that it looks like this. This will help me so that I know what I need to concentrate on. Thanks,  Dav  nel  03   10:09, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the comments on the FAC. I was wondering, if you are satisfied with the progress made from the comments, whether you could change or opinion to Neutral or Support. I'm not forcing you to, but just wondered whether you could consider it. Thanks,  Dav  nel  03   16:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've addressed your further comments that you made.  Dav  nel  03   17:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
  You got a Christmas card! → → →

We need your help.
Hey, by any chance, if you have the time, could you do some work on Vince McMahon and Eddie Guerrero's articles? You've done an excellent job on all the wrestling articles you've done so far. Writer1400 (talk) 01:33, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

King of the Ring (1994)
Thanks for your comments on this article. There doesn't seem to be a consensus on Wikipedia about references in the lead. I was told that they weren't necessary, so I left them out. During the Peer Review, I was told to add them. In the GA Review, I was told that they should come out. I'll look into what the actual standards are and work on that if necessary. As for the "in universe" comments, you're probably right. I've wikilinked several phrases that make it clear that wrestling is scripted, but it could probably use more clarification. I don't want to overdo it, as I'd rather have it be a B-level article than fill it with "He was booked to win the match. After that, he was booked to lose the title the next night. Soon after, he was booked to regain it..." I've got a really busy week coming up, but I'll do what I can to continue improving the article. Thanks again, GaryColemanFan (talk) 22:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Talia Madison / Jamie Szantyr / Velvet Sky
Hi! The Talia Madison article has landed at Deletion review again: Deletion review/Log/2008 January 14.

This time around, User:Tigrahawk has created a version of the article in userspace in the hope of it being reckoned to sufficiently demonstrate notability: it can be found at User:Tigrahawk/Sandbox

Since you were one of the knowledgeable commenters at Articles for deletion/Talia Madison, I was wondering if you might take a look at it and let me know what you think? It seems OK to me, but I'm out of touch with professional wrestling these days. --Stormie (talk) 02:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * ..aaaand it's been nominated for deletion again. You might like to share your thoughts at Articles for deletion/Velvet Sky. Cheers! --Stormie (talk) 09:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Wrestling Title Histories book
Hi, I saw that you own this book and I was wondering if you could help with something. I've been looking for references for the WWF Intercontinental Tag Team Championship article, but I haven't been able to find anything online. I was wondering if it's in your book. I'd like to reference the fact that the titles were awarded to Hamada and Aguayo as well as the reason for the title being abandoned. If you could help with that (either by adding it to the article or by letting me know the page numbers and the reason for getting rid of the title), I would really appreciate it. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks for looking. I just figured I might as well ask. GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Randy Orton
Hello MPJ-DK, I would like your opinion on something, since you gave your Non-Good article review. Is it notable to included Orton's WWE.com interview about him giving his opinion about Shawn Michaels? Z enlax T C S 19:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll go ahead and remove it. One more question about the article; is the information from World Wrestling Insanity, really important? Z enlax  T C S 16:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Matt Hardy
Thanks for reviewing Brian Kendrick. Would it be too much trouble to do the same for Matt Hardy? I would greatly appreciate it. iM at  th ew    20  08  18:35, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Lance Cade
My apologies on that. The OWOW page has been changed since the last time I looked at it. Thanks for correcting that. ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 19:53, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I see you got to it. The source is from this website: http://redout.org/ipb/index.php?showtopic=13513&mode=threaded&pid=145942. I think that is a little bit out of date, but I think that this is what I know. I think that there is a little bit more. Mostly I think I can cited that he had to go to a fuenral for his grandfather.Miss Lindsie aka LindsieandLance 20:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by LindsieandLance (talk • contribs)

Robert Horne (Mo)
The only citation I know of was a copy of the local newspaper the Herald Citizen. But I do not have a copy of it. I am gonna try to get one. It is sad, but it is true that he did those things. But I understand the problems of posting it without citation. --DanteAgusta (talk) 13:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Money Inc.
I'm GA reviewing the article right now. I asked for a link to the discussion about naming the article Money Inc. vs Money Incorporated. I can't clearly tell from your comment which name you felt was proper. Would you please state your opinion on the article's talk page here? You can abstain if you want too. I don't want to beat this dead horse, just make sure that consensus was reached.  Royal broil  21:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Mysterio
Damn, I didn't realise. Some were Rey Misterio, Jr. so I probably jst read it wrong. No, I don't know anyone with a bot, but it's all good. My screw-up, so I'll go back over my contribs and see if I can spot them. Thanks for letting me know. ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 15:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Dooba
Much as I respect you, you have to refreshen your wrestling knowledge, as being fair I would like to help you out if you need be. Ted's nickname should be placed there because I was at many events with him being called that, plus it's a given nickname by family and he (although very little) used it in the 80's before got rich in WWF/E. This isn't an attack on you, just so you know, just wanted to help you out a little. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Closed Tip Ipp Ipp (talk • contribs) 23:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I've sent him a message.  -  The Hybrid  -   23:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Next February, 2009, Dibiase's autobiography will be out, as I am one of the editors, if it means I have to wait that long to include that REAL nickname I will wait then. Any further questions, please write to me. Closed Tip Ipp Ipp (talk) 09:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Closed Tip Ipp Ipp (talk) 09:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Your wrestling books
Hi, I'm wondering if you could look up your copy of either "Wrestling Title Histories" or PWI's "2007 Wrestling Almanac & Book of Facts" and see if there are any title histories for the unsourced titles here? I would appreciate any response. Regard, Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also with the "2007 Wrestling Almanac & book of facts", can you see if there is any information regarding Starrcade (1985)? Thanks. --13 of Diamonds (talk) 22:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikimania 2010 could be coming to Stockholm!
I'm leaving you a note as you may be interested in this opportunity.

People from all six Nordic Wiki-communities (sv, no, nn, fi, da and is) are coordinating a bid for Wikimania 2010 in Stockholm. I'm sending you a message to let you know that this is occurring, and over the next few months we're looking for community support to make sure this happens! See the bid page on meta and if you like such an idea, please sign the "supporters" list at the bottom. Tack (or takk), and have a wonderful day! Mike H. Fierce! 10:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)