User:MPJ-DK/Archive 3

SLIMbus
Thanks for your comments. I am very new at this Wikipedia process. The tone of the article was to provide as much understanding as possible without requiring the detailed specification. I have written almost all the information which is publicly available on SLIMbus, and so I find it difficult to write about it again without using similar words and tone. SLIMbus is a new and important specification for cellular phones and portable electronic products. I can address the Wikipedia references OK. But to address all your concerns would probably water down the article to the point of being relatively useless compared to much more detailed information I have written. The external links would be the only thing that could survive. --Kdboyce (talk) 17:23, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Samula Anoa'i
I noticed you reverted my edit. I wanted to point out: we don't categorize by what companies they work for. The World Wrestling Council category is for the actual titles of the company and other things like that, not for the wrestlers. If you check: the WWE category doesn't list the wrestlers, neither does TNA or any other company. They aren't alumni categories of the wrestlers that worked wherever. I believe in the past there was alumni categories here, but they were deleted for whatever reason. Perhaps someone at the Wrestling project might know why.RobJ1981 (talk) 20:06, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Lists vs B class
Hey. I noticed that you changed a few B class articles to List class. At WP:PW we had a discussion at one point where we decided that lists that were fully sourced should be B class, to differentiate them from the lists that still needed a bunch of work. I thought I'd bring it up...if you disagree with this, we can start a new discussion and talk it over. Nikki ♥  311  16:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: DYK
Thanks so much for letting me know! I'll take a look at them and see if I can get a couple DYKs. :) Nikki  ♥  311  19:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent. You know, right now at good article nominations there is a serious push to clear the backlog, so the list is the shortest it has been in months. It might be a good time to nominate some of the articles you are working on if you think they are ready. Nikki  ♥  311  00:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Lucha libre
Great work so far with your lucha libre project! I've been scanning some articles to see if you missed anybody. So far, I've only found Francisco Flores (wrestling promoter). His article is a mess. Nikki ♥  311  20:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I found another one that I don't think you had listed: Mascarita Sagrada. I tried to clean it up a bit, but it is pretty bad. Nikki ♥  311  19:58, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Triplemanía
--Dravecky (talk) 07:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

WWWF United States Championship
Hello MPJ, I was told that you won the "Wrestling Title Histories" book By Duncan and Will, if its no trouble can you look up the history for the above WWWF United States Championship? I can't find any reliable source to verify the reigns of the title, which I need for a list about defunct WWE titles that I am creating. If you find it, may you give me the page # and other necessary info. Thanks so much!-- ₮RU  CӨ   01:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, that really does not match what WP has. Is this all the reigns that the book has? Just making sure so I can fix it in the championship article and make fixes accordingly in my list. Thanks so much for finding this information, it really helps me and all of us out.-- ₮RU  CӨ   02:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, so I guess all the pages need to be update accordingly. Thanks for find that information, it will help out.-- ₮RU  CӨ   02:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Rip Hawk
Thanks for reviewing this article. I believe I have addressed all of your concerns. If anything still needs some work, please let me know. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. I've also been meaning to get in touch about something else. I've been working on the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame article in my sandbox (User:GaryColemanFan/Murphy). I have found it very difficult to find information about a few wrestlers, and I was hoping you could help. I can't find reliable sources for any of Perro Aguayo's title reigns. Negro Casas also has very little information available (the article is only three sentences), so I can't find any title information for him. Likewise with Dos Caras. As for The Fabulous Kangaroos, I haven't been able to find any reliable sources for their real names or any specific references for their title reigns. If you're still looking for articles about Mexican wrestlers to work on, the three I mentioned might be good. I also figured you know more about the Kangaroos than anyone else on Wikipedia, so you might be able to point me in the right direction. If you have a chance to help with any of this sometime (no rush), I would really appreciate it. GaryColemanFan (talk) 20:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

RE:FLs
Not sure. I think there is an unofficial rule that the tables have to have at least 10 entries to be considered long enough. Also, the reviewers at FLC don't consider wrestlingtitles.com reliable and will only accept it if the title's page mentions getting all the information from the Wrestling Titles book. You might want to ask User:Truco, as he has had a few lists promoted and reviews there regularly. Nikki ♥  311  00:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope you don't mind me butting into the conversation, but I took a look at your lists and have a few comments if you're willing to hear them. First, I absolutely love the look of the lists -- the grey and white is very effective, and everything looks very nice. Second, I'd reflect Nikki's concerns about the sourcing -- the wrestling titles Web site seems to gather sources from all over the place, which makes verifying its trustworthiness very tough. Third, I'd suggest getting someone to read through the text before you submit it. There were a few grammatical items that need to be cleaned up. Fourth, I'd suggest including a little more context about the titles. As someone who knows absolutely nothing about professional wrestling, it be nice to know a little about the circumstances surrounding them. But from what I can tell from your user page, you're a sharp, capable editor, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some of your stuff in FLC before too long. Good luck! JKBrooks85 (talk) 11:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, every bit of advice is welcome. with regards to the wrestling-titles website what I'll probably try and do is get other sources for the reigns after 1999, before 1999 the book got it covered - I'll do my best to find sources independent of wrestling-titles. Also thanks for the input on the text, it tends to be neglected in lists but you're right that has to be up to quality as well. Context is a good idea too, I'd probably expand on that a bit for those I intent to put up for FL, thanks for your input. MPJ-DK (talk) 12:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * One thing I forgot to mention is that pictures are extremely helpful as well. Even if it's just a picture of someone who won one of the titles, rather than the title belt itself, it'd be useful. JKBrooks85 (talk) 12:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Nikki and MPJ. ;) In all honesty, the lead of the lists needs to be expanded to state a little history of the title (and possibly the company itself). When I say history, I mean how its creation came to be about. That will be the first paragraph, the second paragraph will consist of a summary of the list itself. The table also needs to be reformatted to how they are in other FLs. A good example would be the recently promoted List of ECW Television Champions, List of WWF Light Heavyweight Champions, and List of ECW Tag Team Champions. I hope this helps, if not, you can drop by my talk page.-- ₮ RU  C Ө   14:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks good so far, but the lead needs to be cut down. IMO, the problem may be the center templates, because that is not in other lists (even though it is in the number column, it could affect the rest of the columns. One way to cut down the lead is to make a history section, and move the list itself to a List of _____ Champions, as that is the norm, while the main article is an article. See World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) and List of World Heavyweight Champions (WWE). ₮ RU  C Ө   01:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: MVP
Hey, thanks for the review! I notice you already responded to one of my comments, there's another for you re: the sources. I've responded to/fixed everything else. Thanks, ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 13:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Much appreciated! ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 10:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Alprazolam
Hi, I made some changes which you suggested to the alprazolam article. I am wondering when you get a chance if you can see if it passes Good Article status yet?-- Literature geek |  T@1k?  20:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Luchadore articles
Hello. I noticied your working on Luchadore-related articles, particularly the list you've complied (very impressive!), and I was wondering if you'd like to use information from my own list ? It generally lists current tags and other issues for every wrestler in Category:Mexican professional wrestlers as well red links gathered from articles, user sub pages and Pro Wrestling Illustrated. 71.184.57.80 (talk) 05:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I added what I have on my talk page. I'm still adding to the list, but I hope it helps. 71.184.57.80 (talk) 06:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. 71.184.57.80 (talk) 11:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I think I've referenced all the post-2000 title histories in "Category:Mexican professional wrestlers" and noted them on the list. I have a few of the missing title histories for the WWA (WWA World Heavyweight, Light Heavyweight, Junior Light Heavyweight, Middleweight, Welterweight, Lightweight, Tag Team, Trios and Women's Champioships) and UWA (UWA Lightweight, Featherweight, Women's and Women's Tag Team Championships) and I was wondering if you could could check if its referenced in "Wrestling Title Histories" before I submit them to WP:Afc ? 71.184.57.80 (talk) 16:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help with the references. I wasn't sure about the correct names, the WWA Junior Heavyweight title is under WWA World Junior Light Heavyweight Championship and most of the champions use the "world title". Also I accidentally used "Woman's Championship" instead of "Women's Championship" when creating the women's titles. Do you know how I can fix this ? 71.184.57.80 (talk) 13:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar!
In addition, you may use the userbox located at User:Drilnoth/Userboxes/GAN backlog elimination drive to indicate your participation on your user page. Thanks! –Drilnoth (T • C) 21:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Conflicting sources for WWA Welterweight title
I was going over my submission for the WWA Welterweight Championship and Wrestling-titles.com and Solie.org WWA Welterweight pages have different versions. Eddy Guerrero and Rey Misterio, Jr. both have title reigns on Solie.org for example and Santo apparently has an extra title reign on Wrestling-titles.com. Do you know which is the correct version ? 71.184.57.80 (talk) 13:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I submitted some redirects for the WWA titles if you want to look them over for the correct names. Don't suppose I could trouble you for the WTH references for the IWRG titles ? :) 71.184.57.80 (talk) 16:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help again. I just submitted the rest of the IWRG titles today. By the way, I have a small list of facts from various luchador articles which I thought might be good additions for DYK. From what I understand of DYK guidelines, articles have to be at least five days old or substancially expanded ? I'm not sure which facts I have meet these, I doubt Santo could be expanded anymore (though it would be awesome to bring it up to FA), but I'm sure articles like Rolando Vera, Fray Tormenta or Juana Barraza could pass. I've had some trouble finding reliable sources for some of these, I'm not sure how to properly cite the Charly Manson youtube link, but it'd be great if you could take a look at some of these. 71.184.57.80 (talk) 03:13, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Statement
Hey, I just want you to know if you ever need my help just say hey. If I'm not busy I'll help with anything from AAA, CMLL, etc. It is nice to see someone working on that group of articles. I can relate since no one was really trying to expand the TNA stuff to a higher class until I came along. So keep up the good work, the project shouldn't be all about the WWE. Also I noticed a link to Sean Waltman on your user page, if you have any future plans to expand that article I'm game to help.-- Will C  07:22, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Interesting, I thought it would be harder to find sources, seeing as this is the English pedia I would expect you wouldn't find many reliable ones in English, they would all be Spanish. My main reason for X-Pac is for the TNA stuff, plus a topic for DX. I recently found out most of the articles or topics I have planned for the future will cause me to work on articles I don't really care about, like Monty Sopp-for a topic about The Beautiful People. I then noticed by then a DX topic would only be off by a few articles, that became a future plan. Then a List of TNA X Division Champions topic came into my head, noticing that most of the bio articles I have planned will cause a topic for that article to become closer than before, that became a future project. Seeing as Waltman would kill two birds with one stone, I've been trying to find someone to work with me on it since I could really care less about expanding it in the first place.-- Will C  09:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, keep up the good work, good luck with that.-- Will C  14:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not really retired per-say. I'm really just trying to leave so I can get stuff done. I've got school work to do and it is more important than this place. So while I get on the computer it cuts into the time I could be finishing some work. I'll pop in every day to check some stuff and probably pop out an article here and there, but this time I'm staying away and only coming on once or twice a day tops.-- Will C  17:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, regrading your comment on Turning Point (2004)'s GA review, yeah, I'm a prime member. Give me long enough and I'll be the captain. I'm tired of the entire project being Wikipedia: WikiProject World Wrestling Entertainment. That is why I'm glad you are working on CMLL, AAA, etc lists. The more people that work on other articles not related to WWE, I'm happy. I'm tried of their strangle hold on wrestling in general. What I can do to make the world know there are other promotions out there than WWE, then I've done my job.-- Will C  07:06, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, I hope all is well. If you remember me from when you reviewed the alprazolam article for good article. If you are interested, I have been working on the main benzodiazepine article to get it up to good article status. If you are interested in reviewing it and making suggestions feel free. It is currently nominated for good article review. If you are too busy not to worry. :)-- Literature geek |  T@1k?  01:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Inspiration is a hoax!?
You decided to decline the requested new artice Inspiration. Thus, it appears that you don't believe that the film was ever made, and you think that the information about it is all fictitious, even though the links provided to Imdb.com and Allmovies.com confirm the information (and even the essential critique). You seem to be quite presumptuous! Wikipedia articles on other Garbo movies do not, in general, cite any better sources. Do you think that the articles on those other movies are hoaxes as well? And calling Garbo Forever just a fan site is dismissive, given the amount of good information on this non-profit site. BTW, there is an article about the film on the German and French wikipedias, and therefore I thought that en-wiki should have one as well, but obviously I have been proved wrong. 130.188.8.13 (talk) 16:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Your new project
I love the idea for MP:PWTINWRBTIALMFTVMVATAOI. I've worked on some WWF articles in the past (I really enjoyed the run of pay-per-views from 1992 to 1995, so I worked on getting all of the ones I watched back then to GA status), but I've totally changed direction these days. I've been working on articles about older wrestlers lately, and I've really been enjoying it. I'd rather learn about wrestling history than argue with an IP editor about something he's sure he remembers seeing one time but can't provide a source for. Anyhow, you're doing a great job with the Mexican wrestling articles and the stub expansions, and I thought I'd come an offer my support for someone wanting to focus on often-neglected articles. GaryColemanFan (talk) 21:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Just letting you know about held AFC I closed extremely early
Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/supercinemaent.com was clearly a copyvio of supercinemaent.com, and I declined it (after only a few minutes of you having it on hold) as such since that is a much more serious problem I believe. Fun Pika  10:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Word of advice
Use the center template in your lists. It cuts down on characters and is easier to sort. Check this out for some templates to use. Nice and clean. Not to sound like I know, it would just be better to use Template:Center over |align="center"| .-- Will C  09:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm leaving again. If you could, would you mind watching the FLCs I've got? If I don't get on at night like I'm planning on for about a few minutes to check reviews, would you mind watching them for me. I'll probably be on. I just need someone to make sure no one vandalizes the articles or changes information.-- Will C  05:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. I've got a few others to watch as well. TNA X Division Championship, Final Resolution (2005), and Against All Odds (2005) (all GANs), and on FLC I got List of ROH World Champions and List of ROH World Tag Team Champions.-- Will C  06:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

AfC
Thanks for all your work at AfC, it's great to have you helping out. I just had to block that User:FTERZIU guy. He discovered that he could create his crazy submissions in mainspace and went mad creating one every ~2 mins! &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Kurt and Karl Von Steiger
I just wanted to let you know that I nominated this article for a DYK. You did a great job expanding it (a 5.5x expansion), so I figured you deserved some credit. GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

My bad
My bad if that is wrong. I was using the AWB spell checker and assumed that was right.  TJ   Spyke   19:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

John Shelton Reed

For the Dictionary entry, see http://books.google.com/books?id=xxd451POnpYC&pg=PA337&lpg=PA337&dq=%22John+Shelton+Reed%22+Flora&source=bl&ots=duhJSFyO-x&sig=Tp13uR9deZaCMkmqfaINw2VJy08&hl=en&ei=uYDrSbvsEsOktge5kYGeBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1 "The South According to Reed" is not by Reed -- it's a special issue of the journal devoted to appreciations of his work. See http://www.unc.edu/depts/csas/southern_cultures/contentsvol7.html#southerncultures71 The American Enterprise piece is an interview with Reed by TAE writer Bill Kauffman. See http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3458/is_200605/ai_n18247220/ See also the results at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=%22John+Shelton+Reed%22&go=Go

71.70.141.13 (talk) 20:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC) Bryan

Redirect requested
Hi,

Could you please start the article local uniformizing parameter, and make it into a redirect to local parameter? Thanks, 71.182.187.38 (talk) 11:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Abismo Negro peer review
I did a quick review of the article for you. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 08:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I'm glad I could help. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 10:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

3rd Party Article
Hi, I'm the guy working on the "AJ Crew" article. Sorry, but his fame doesn't go much past what's on the article. I saved the text to my computer, and when I think it's appropriate I'll resubmit the article with more sources (when they, well, exist.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.76.135.110 (talk) 15:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

TripleMania 27
How can the 27 event be the 23 event? Plus why does all the refs say TripleMania 17? That article doesn't make much sense. Maybe you can explain a few things for me since I just know of TripleMania, but do not follow it.-- Will C  02:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, my bad. I misread the roman numerals. For some reason I was thinking "x" meant 20. I forget why. Sorry about that. I must have not been thinking straight. I was working on TripleMania 17 and was just wondering how can you have 23 events and it be the 27 or 17. I was kind of figuring that A, B, C, etc in the TripleMania article had something to do with that. My bad, I feel like an idiot for reading the numerals wrong, when usually I can read numerals off without even thinking and get them right.-- Will C  04:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Denied page request
Hello, I'm brand new to Wikipedia and I have been trying to attempt getting a new page created. I first put in a request for an editor to do, but I was unable to track down what happened to my request or what is going on with the page. So I submitted it a little differently under Articles for Creation with a brief description which you declined twice due to no 3rd party references listed. I'm very confused about the 3rd party references because the websites I listed at the bottom are reliable and reputable so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I've read many of the guideline pages but I'm still not understanding, can you help? Is there a different way I can submit this so its created by someone else? Thank you. (Jmh222 (talk) 15:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC))

Buddy Rose
Hey, first off I'm not upset that you erased my work, i just thought it'd be a good place to insert that. I know Randy Southwick personally and do you know if there's a way I can post anything CLOSE to what I edited anywhere here? Just trying to get Randy and Buddy Rose's family some help. Write me on my talk page if you can help me out. Thanks Ipp The Tip (talk) 07:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Help request
Hi, I'm working on getting the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame to Featured List status. The version that I'm working on is at User:GaryColemanFan/Murphy. I'm close to finishing the table, but I was wondering if you could help for some of the remaining entries. I'm trying to find real names for Heffernan, Kent. You said you had sources for their names - would you be able to find them when you have a chance? If you could also find the page number(s) in your wrestling title book for the NWA United States Tag Team Championship (Northeast version) (also known as the WWWF United States Tag Team Championship), that would really help as well.

Other titles for which page numbers would really help are:
 * AWA Southern Tag Team Championship (also known as the NWA Southern Tag Team Championship (Mid-America version))
 * NWA World Tag Team Championship (Mid-America version),
 * the Boston-based American Wrestling Association's World Heavyweight Championship (promoted by Paul Bowser),
 * WCCW/WCWA World Six-Man Tag Team Championship (also known as the NWA World Six-Man Tag Team Championship (Texas version))
 * UWA World Lightweight Championship
 * UWA World Middleweight Championship.

I know that's a ton to ask for, but if you have a chance (no rush), I would really appreciate the help. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello again. I was wondering if there's any chance that you would have an opportunity to find some of these page numbers now that you're back. Like I said before, there's really no hurry (especially this month, which is going to be ridiculously busy for me). GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:30, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank You
Just wanna say thank you for giving me another chance. I have deleted some unimportant facts in my opinion too. Also I been changing some words into my own words.

--Wrestling-fantic (talk) 20:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Advice
Looks like you're having a bit of trouble with List of Mexican National Trios Champions. I thought to give you some advice. Nothing against your work my friend. I just thought maybe some info from me may help even the smallest amount in your future endeavours. You could follow the format to some of the lists I have recently gotten passed FLC. I started with List of TNA X Division Champions and since then, I've grown to understand the format, etc of lists and the process of FLC. Look through this here: User:Wrestlinglover/Awards and Accomplishments. Maybe some of the stuff in there may help you.-- Will C  07:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Regina Rheda entry
Comment: it was declined before for lack of sources, no sources added from what I can se. Resubmitting should only happen if you actually address the problems first.MPJ-DK (talk) 21:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)--

In the original there were indeed no sources. In the resubmit there were THREE university-press sources in addition to re-edit of the prose. Thus I am mystified at the HOLD on this entry, which is much more sculpted than hundreds of extant entries.

I have logged in with my User account in case that makes any difference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlesaperrone (talk • contribs) 00:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Signed Rheda inquiry
Signed this time per instruction.

Regina Rheda entry

Comment: it was declined before for lack of sources, no sources added from what I can se. Resubmitting should only happen if you actually address the problems first.MPJ-DK (talk) 21:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)--

In the original there were indeed no sources. In the resubmit there were THREE university-press sources in English plus one other in Portuguese. in addition to re-edit of the prose. Thus I am mystified at the HOLD on this entry, which is much more sculpted than hundreds of extant entries.

I have logged in with my User account in case that makes any difference.

Charlesaperrone (talk) 00:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC) charlesaperrone

Page request still denied
Could you please tell me why my page has not been approved yet? I have listed 3rd party sources, I'm not sure what else I should do, thank you. (Jmh222 (talk) 21:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)) It's called 'The Cornell Center for Hospitality Research,' thank you! (Jmh222 (talk) 14:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC))

Thank you for the help! I will look into the issues and see if I can figure them out-I would love it if it could just be created for me, I'm having a lot of trouble with the reliable sources. Thanks for getting back to me so quickly! (Jmh222 (talk) 21:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC))

Is it possible to get an editor to do this page for me? I can't seem to get the references right I don't know what else to do I have links to about 100 different reliable 3rd party references but it still isn't right? Do I have any options for getting this created a different way? Thanks! (Jmh222 (talk) 21:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC))

Also, could you tell me what part of the article you're referring to when you say 'part of it reads more like an ad then an encyclopedic article?' Thanks! (Jmh222 (talk) 14:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC))

RE: Modesto Reyes
Thanks for answering.... What exactly else do I need, He did the movie and it won 7 awards ACCA.I also have copies of the newspapers he has done that have his name at the bottom of the page what else do I need? thank you Karen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Modestoreyes (talk • contribs) 23:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Peer review
My work schedule calms down quite a bit over the next few days, so I'll take a look at the article for you. If you are able to find the page numbers in your Wrestling Titles books for the titles I listed above (in the "Help request" section), that would be great. I've got Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame almost ready for a Featured List candidacy, but there are just a few wrestlers that still need some sources. GaryColemanFan (talk) 21:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Are you
Are you going to edit any old or new luchadors, because I'm really interest in learning more luchadors. Please add more Luchadors to wikipedia. I might be willing to participate. --216.105.208.2 (talk) 00:41, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

FLC
Hey, I'm sorry if I'm being difficult. I just want what is best for the article since there isn't many who work on the indy articles.-- Will C  12:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well when I first started about 6 months ago, I would get all my info from Truco. Then I got all of it from people who reviewed my lists, naming Giant and Dabous or something along those lines. Those two are the ones who got me to the format I have today. Also again I'm sorry if I'm being difficult. If this was lets say either ROH Title or the TNA X and Tag I would do what you asked right then and there without asking why. But after as many lists I've done recently, I grew an opinion and started asking. So I've grew a little big headed and trying to stop that. But as for anyone who makes FLs, there is Truco, myself, you, and maybe Gary and IMatt. Other then them, I do not know. If we were to make an official format which I would love and was eventually going to get around to in my campaign to re-write the MoS, we should also involve all those who have reviewed the recent FLs from the project.-- Will C  12:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Save Us has not been online since mid-May. I usually talk to him on Yahoo IM and he hasn't been online in weeks. So while he isn't around, I'll handle any problems that come up during the Armageddon (2008) review. Just for you to know.-- Will C  12:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Well I'll get them fixed here in a bit. Better to try than let it fail.-- Will C  10:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, a quick heads up. You may have to re-read the entire article. I'm working on somethings I've seen are wrong, etc. So I'll be moving somethings, just really an entire overhaul.-- Will C  12:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Abismo Negro and MNM
First thing, I did a review of Abismo Negro for you. Secondly, I think me, Blue and Gary between us got all your concerns at the MNM GA review. Thanks, ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 08:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's no problem. :) I have no problem helping out when I have time, I'm just glad I was helpful. I'll do a final scan-through of Negro later, in case I missed anything the first time around. Your review of MNM is really appreciated, it's been driving both Blue and I mad waiting for reviews! ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 00:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Thanks so much! ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 04:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: Multilinear Transformation & Multiarray
Hi there, I am the creator of the articles for consideration: Multilinear Transformation and Multiarray. They are meant to go together. Unfortunately the article multiarray became k-array (possibly accidentally as it is an alternative term. The two fit in a unique way. As to you don't know what a multilinear transformation is because you cannot. Inherently, a tensor is an unimaginable object above order 2 (see that article) and if you can visualize you are superhuman and congrats (i dont mean it in a patronizing way). The only way to describe it is through its mathematical formulation and universal principles as it is called in mathematical thoery. These are very abstract objects used in senior undergrad and grad level studies.

I have resubmitted k-array under its proper title of Multiarray, so maybe you could look at both thx.

Cheers,

Jennifer

PS: I now have an account (Jenme)

Sicodelico Jr. debut
I found his debut at cagematch.net and it says that it was January 1, 1998. --Wrestling-fantic (talk) 17:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

opps sorry, I must've been reading too fast --Wrestling-fantic (talk) 17:49, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been thinking lately how I'm going to expand them. First of all, I think most of those articles needs references. Also some picture and some helper who is good enough to write a good article about there career. I also believe that someday those articles would be good articles in the future. --Wrestling-fantic (talk) 18:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes I'll remember to ask if I have to. Thank you for being a trustworthy user. --Wrestling-fantic (talk) 18:19, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

List of airline carriers / airline carrier holding companies, headquartered in Texas
List of airline carriers / airline carrier holding companies, headquartered in Texas

Recently you reviewd the preceding list indicating Wiki is "not"..... I beg to differ as we may need to put up for deletion


 * List of airlines in Hawaii
 * List of Airlines in Alaska

as they cover similar material. List of airline carriers / airline carrier holding companies, does appear to be relevant as it tracks the historical development of the airline holding company concept since Airline Deregulation happened in 1978. Additionally, much of that history has Texas Connections and routes beginning with Texas International Airlines and the Texas Air Corporation, which was the trendsetter and new model of airline business which basically vacuumed up deregulated carriers like is what happening now.

Actually I would not suggest deleting List of Airlines of Hawaii or Alaska because I do not believe in that.

List of defunct or merged airline carriers of Texas, below is the more approriate name for the article.

1.REDIRECT List of airline carriers / airline carrier holding companies, headquartered in Texas. 96.8.147.165 (talk) 13:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC) 96.8.147.165 (talk) 14:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Armageddon 08
Okay, I'm done. I've done all I can. I've wrote a few of these events but never a WWE one. Now I've cut it down alot since length and going too in depth is a problem with events. You asked for more storyline which would make it go too in-depth. I wanted more storyline in Lockdown 08 but it seems that is going too much in detail. So what is in the article at the moment is the standard for events. Just the key points. Re-wrote most of the article and added third party sources along the way.-- Will C  01:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you have the wrestling titles book that is used as a source alot? If so, I need pages for the WCW TV Title and anyother the title is under. Could you help me out here?-- Will C  08:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. Next FL project with Nici.-- Will C  08:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot, thanks for passing Armageddon. Though I didn't expand it, it helped me get another 30 points in the wikicup.-- Will C  07:36, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You stated in the FLC for WWE Backlash that it would need a peer review. Well I finished an article recently about a related subject. It is TNA Bound for Glory and I was wondering what your opinion on it was. Not a review, but what you thought of the format, etc. Nothing in depth, just trying to get some opinions on it.-- Will C  08:26, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough
I instead decided to add the info to the Powerslave album - although not enough 3rd party articles are around on the rime of the ancient mariner, it does have significant support for there to be information of the album's page. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wlwhyte1 (talk • contribs) 08:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for looking up all of those references for me. With that information, I was able to put the finishing touches on Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame and nominate it as a Featured List. I'll be working on another hall of fame article (here), so if it's okay with you, I may ask for some more help at some point in the future. I've been looking for a copy of the book, but it's very hard to find. I also wanted to mention an article I found that you might be interested in. While I was looking for information about Roy Heffernan, I came across this article about his family:. I know you've worked on the articles about the Fabulous Kangaroos, so I wasn't sure if you'd seen this before. Anyhow, thanks again. You've been doing a great job with the articles on Mexican wrestling. GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Articles for Creation/FileCleaner
I changes to the reason for rejection to WP:CORP, because there wasn't the kind of puffery that I generally associate with advertisements, even though it is fairly clear that the motive for the article is promotional. &mdash; Charles Stewart (talk) 10:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

WT:PW
Sorry about this edit Must have hit Rollback by mistake and didn't notice. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Oddly enough, I remember clicking the link to view that thread, then going to check my email in another tab. Came back to the Wikipedia tab and said "Where's the thread?" Didn't even noticed I'd done it until DMN mentioned it. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Bio-Synthesis
Hi, I've read your comments. I'm fairly new to this whole wikipedia process. I didn't think all the printed sources were required when I submitted the article the first time. Bio-Synthesis is a small, privately-held company. There aren't any articles from a third party profiling the company. I've researched into the competitors of Bio-Synthesis and none of them seem to have listed any references or are very vague in the references. Please look at the following examples: Unigene Laboratories AnaSpec Inc. Phenomenex Please let me know what else I need to modify in order to get this article published.

Thanks for creating the article for me. How do I modify the title of the article? I would like to take out the "," in between Bio-Synthesis and Inc. I've tried to e-mail the link to people and when they click on it, it doesn't take them directly to the article page. I'm assuming I shouldn't have punctuation marks in the title. Please help.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nchao (talk • contribs) 23:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Another help request
I looked through all of the people to be included in the next hall of fame article that I want to being up to Featured List level. If you are able to help with come citations, that would be very helpful. Just the chapter title and the page numbers would be great. Again, there are quite a few titles. I'm not in a hurry, so any time would be great (even just a couple at a time, if it's easier). The titles would be (I've given the names and dates of some winners to help clarify, as the names can get confusing at times):


 * Central States version of the NWA World Tag Team Championship (active in 1960)
 * This is the one that George and Sandy Scott won on May 13, 1960
 * Mid-Atlantic version of the NWA Southern Tag Team Championship (later replaced by the NWA Atlantic Coast Tag Team Championship)
 * This is the one that George and Sandy Scott was on March 18, 1957
 * NWA Georgia Tag Team Championship
 * This is the one that Gene and Ole Anderson (The Minnesota Wrecking Crew) won on May 31, 1974
 * NWA Women's World Tag Team Championship (if you could also clarify how many times Penny Banner held the title, it would really help)
 * NWA Tri-State Tag Team Championship (also known as Tri-State version of NWA United States Tag Team Championship)
 * This is the one that Luke Brown and Grizzly Smith (The Kentuckians) won in April 1971
 * Mid-America version of the NWA World Tag Team Championship
 * This is the one that Don and Jackie Fargo won on August 5, 1957
 * Mid-America version of the NWA South Tag Team Championship (also known as the AWA Southern Tag Team Championship)
 * This is the one that Jackie Fargo and Lester Welch won on October 17, 1961

If you could help with any or all of these, I would really appreciate it. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

AfC
Thanks for creating the Bostrychia  (algae) article for me with the redirect to the bird species. --69.226.103.13 (talk) 06:18, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Review
I placed the tag on the list. Everything is correct in both. The dispute is whether to say Angle is a four time champion, or a three, since TNA does not recognize one of his reigns. Simple disagreement. I'll fix the World Title to show this.-- Will C  19:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well it says he won it. But in the reigns section it goes by what TNA says. It says as recognized by TNA. I'll change it.-- Will C  08:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Fixed. It should be. Anything else, just say so. I would kind of like to make sure it doesn't fail over something I have no power over.-- Will C  08:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I wasn't aware of an edit war. Right now is really as stable as the article ever gets. Only once in a while me and TJ get into it. Just disagrees between editors. I'll fill you in on the situation. See, I feel we shouldn't go by the promotion on history. We should go by facts entirely. Like with Angle's reign. We should state that Angle is a four time champion officially and only note that TNA does not recognize it. While TJ feels we should go by TNA entirely. That anything they don't recognize is unofficial. Though I'm not sure of his entire position. He has never explained it in full. To explain it a bit better. See the WWE Champions lists? Well it has the unrecognized reigns with dashes where the reign number should be. I feel we should count them towards the official total. They happened, they have sources, they are official according to the facts. But because WWE doesn't recognize them they aren't counted towards the official reign history. That is incorrect. An encyclopedia should be held down by facts. Not a promotion's beliefs. There are times to go by the promotion and then there isn't. Hopefully that helps.-- Will C  08:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree we should state both, but go more the actual events way. Lets say, Wrestle B beat Wrestle A for the championship. Promotion A does not recognize this. So Promotion A says no and includes no change in history. Book A writes the history as: "1, Wrestle A, 1; -, Wrestler B, 1, not officially recognized by the promotion." I feel it should be this: "1, Wrestle A, 1; 2, Wrestler B, 1, not officially recognized by the promotion."-- Will C  09:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, I forgot to ask this earlier, does the wrestling titles book give anymore info? Some of the reigns have no dates and I thought it might give some. Check List of WCW World Television Champions to see which dates I need. Really any information it states would be nice.-- Will C  06:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Does the wrestling titles book give vacated dates? If so, I need the date it was vacated by Ricky Steamboat in 1980, another in October 1980, one where Jos LeDuc was stripped in 1982, one in January 1984, and one in November 1992. I also need the dates of Greg Valentine's last two reigns in 1981, Ivan Koloff's reigns in 1982, Jos LeDuc's reign in 1982, and Tom Zenk's reign in December 1990. Sorry to bother you about this, but I can't seem to find a written ref that gives me these dates. I got wrestling titles which is questionable, and as such I'm only using it for none controversial material. Solie keeps directing me to the NWA America TV Title for some reason and I can't get the reigns before Dusty Rhodes in 1985 from them. So I'm hoping this book can clear up all the date problems.-- Will C  22:41, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering, are you just going to fail the TNA World Heavyweight Championship? Because I don't see any problems at the moment. There isn't a dispute anymore. Everything seems netural. I don't know why there hasn't been a review.-- Will C  05:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, that is cool. I can understand that. It just seemed weird. Also, sorry about all the comments above. WCW TV Champs has alot of problems and the wrestling titles book may be the only thing that can fix them. But while you are on, can you tell me if all the infomation in this reference is correct for the MCW Heavyweight Championship: ? If you don't mind, when you get a chance, could you fix all the little date and history problems in WCW TV Champs since you have the book? I'll do a few reviews for you in return, hell I may do one right now just for you, since you've helped me already so much. Thanks, much love. LOL-- Will C  06:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, it is cool. The WCW TV Champs has been put on hold till I can figure out what is the correct history. I went ahead and did MCW Heavyweight Championship so I can get another FL. Thanks for all the help.-- Will C  15:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting. It has to be in there somewhere. It was in there before I ever started expansion.-- Will C  15:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess I'll remove. I have another title ref I can add if I want from wrestling titles which should be usable considering I've already got two others that say the samething as it. But only if during the FLC is it brung up will I add it. I have enough references in there already.-- Will C  15:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. Sorry about the problems. Once you read it many many times, you start to not notice any.-- Will C  03:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC) Why did you fail the article?-- Will C  08:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe, you can return to the review. I have left a few replies. I also plan to go to GAR if that is possible, because I don't plan to wait another 2 months for a review. Also, the funny thing is, I was in the middle of reviewing your article on GAN.-- Will C  08:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

LoveBomb verification links
Hi MPJ-DK

I'm the author of the article on LoveBomb - the sculpture by Dutch artist Iskander Walen. Unfortunately, for exhibition announcements, generally a list of featured works is not included. There exist photographs of the first time the LoveBomb sculpture was on exhibition at the Institute of Contemporary Arts in Singapore, in May 2009, during the Lasalle '09 show. During this exhibition the works were also not mentioned individually. Now it is part of another exhibition featuring 9 major works by Iskander Walen, but these works are not mentioned by name or description.

How do I solve this problem? I can't make the external sources mention each work. I've uploaded one photograph taken during the first exhibition at ICA, but of course it is not possible to verify the photograph was taken there.

If you have a suggestion, please do not hesitate to tell me.

Best regards

Sggallery (talk) 15:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC) SGgallery Sggallery (talk) 15:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

RE: Bruno Lauer and Bull Nakano
Thanks for the reviews. I've been out of town for a few days, which is why I didn't respond earlier. I'll start working on your comments tomorrow night. Nikki ♥  311   02:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I was literally about to message you about this...I've been super busy lately with school and work, and it doesn't look like it will be letting up any time soon. Go ahead and fail them for now...I'm having trouble finding sources, and I don't have the time or energy to research more in depth at the moment. Thanks for looking over the articles for me and giving such good reviews. I'm going to (eventually) get around to fixing them per all your suggestions. :) Nikki  ♥  311   03:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Problems
Okay, now, I see you've failed the TNA Title, which I believe is a little rash and you could have stated some of the things that were bothering you outright and maybe we could have avoided this situation. Now, I'm sorry if I was a burden of any sort. We just have disagreements, we are only human. Now maybe we can discuss this a bit more. I waited 2 months for a review, and I'm writing this in not a very good mood. So as nice as I can be. Maybe, we can just restart. I feel that would be better. I tend to like to discuss certain things in reviews so that I know why they were changed for later. I can also explain some of the problems with the title's history a bit better if you would like.-- Will C  09:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe. I usually feel that a wrestling fan would be best, since they understand things a bit more. Don't let that discourage you from reviewing further.-- Will C  13:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, I thought to tell you that a few things I've noticed with lists. Considering I believe you are planning to take List of NWA World Light Heavyweight Champions to FL, I should tell you that nicknames should not be added, seeing as "Rowdy" Roddy Piper is in the above list. Also that the "Champions by combined length" table should have all names linked plus the Combined Days column should be sorted. Both of the main tables are quick referenced. After I noticed that, I figured out that everything should be linked, even people who are already mentioned earlier in the table. Just stating this to help you out. You do good work and I want to help your cause in anyway I can.-- Will C  12:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well I don't see why not. Quick reference tables are usually an exception to over link. And most users either come to see who has held the belt the longest, the shortest, who is the current champion, etc. As for the red links, I'm cool with that. I understand that. I just didn't look closer. I just thought to make sure you knew that if you didn't. The ones who are not notable and probably will never be unless they do something really amazing shouldn't be link, so I agree. As for the sorting thing. I do that so I thought to pass it along. That way there could be no possibly problem. I'm told alot that tables aren't sorting right when they seem fine to me. The other FLs are a bit out of date. I'm actually in the process of updating alot of them. Also I'm probably going to be AFDing alot of indy titles soon. I'm trying to clean up some of the project's articles. Make sure they got the right formats and getting rid of the unneeded ones when it comes to anything that has to do with titles, including the promotions themselves.-- Will C  13:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, I started a GAR for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship at Good article reassessment/TNA World Heavyweight Championship/1 just for you to know. Nothing against you mate. I just disagree with your decision. I hope we are still friends, or something along those lines.-- Will C  14:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, I was thinking about working on getting List of National Wrestling Alliance championships up to FL level. Since there are a few things that deal with Mexican wrestling in the article and you are working on a few NWA titles, do you want to work together in getting it there?-- Will C  14:02, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

LOL Cool. I'm cleaning up some of the title categories and seeing what titles are notable, can be improved, etc. I'm on Category:Professional wrestling championships at the moment, and it was listed there. I took a look at it and I knew it had a damn good chance at becoming an FL. Then noticed the CMLL part and automaticly thought of asking you if you wanted to work together.-- Will C  14:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've expanded the TNA World Heavyweight Championship just a bit. I was wondering what you thought of it now? It is not done. But is coming along nicely.-- Will C  17:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the slow review. I've been having sleeping problems over the pasted few days (I can't sleep at night, instead I'm sleeping during the day. I'm a modern day vampire in a sort) and I want to be able to read and understand the article.-- Will C  11:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll probably get to it today or tomorrow. I'm slow on all reviews, so it is nothing new.-- Will C  13:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey
Hey just want you to know that I have expanded Sangre Azteca by writing an article about him. If you wanna check it out, feel free looking and reading at it. --Wrestling-fantic (talk) 02:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm also adding references to all my article but I'm not complete yet. --Wrestling-fantic (talk) 19:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes I'm trying to expand article and also adding references (which I'm done). I'm also looking in forward creating more article and expanding them and adding references in the future. --Wrestling-fantic (talk) 23:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey just in case if you wanna know me better, I have updated my page with userboxes --Wrestling-fantic (talk) 00:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

USWA Tag Titles
Hey, thanks man. Hmm, the thing is, I need a ref that states how WCCW/WCWA became USWA to support that statement about the renaming of the titles, and there are no refs to verify that [from what I've researched].-- T ru  c o  503  00:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, cool. Let me know if you find something.-- T ru  c o  503  16:38, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Abismo Negro‎
The article Abismo Negro‎ you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. It hasn't failed because it's basically a good article, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Abismo Negro‎ for things needed to be addressed.-- Will C  05:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Reference help
Thanks for that. I made the same mistake the first time I started using these references so perhaps in a few years I'll call on you again to remind me. Tony2Times (talk) 12:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

List of CMLL World Light Heavyweight Champions
Hi. I've been going through recently promoted featured lists and adding alternative text to the images. However, I couldn't figure out how to describe the one in the above article, so I think it's better if you do it. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 18:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:DYK on Mr. Niebla
I would leave evaluation of that DYK nom. to someone else (I know too little about this field). As to the article itself, I think it is impossible to have 2x2 refs to different chapters with same page numbers (probably page numbers are wrong). Materialscientist (talk) 09:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Yet another request
This Dramaout has inspired me to create some articles that I've been meaning to work on for quite a while. I finally wrote an article on Well Dunn. I was wondering, though, if you would be able to help with the references for their championships. I'm also not sure if your title history book has explanations of when the titles were held up, vacated, etc. If you can help, they held (with explanations of vacant titles, etc., if you are able to verify them):


 * 1) NWA Pacific Northwest Tag Team Championship, from Oregon's Pacific Northwest Wrestling; the title was held up on August 9, 1989 and November 4, 1989 and vacated in February 1990
 * 2) USWA World Tag Team Championship, from Tennessee's United States Wrestling Association; King lost the title in a handicap match on June 2, 1990
 * 3) WWC World Tag Team Championship, from Puerto Rico's World Wrestling Council; the title was held up on August 1, 1992
 * 4) NWA North American Tag Team Championship (active from 1997-present mainly in Tennessee; also known as the Music City Wrestling North American Tag Team Championship; on May 30, 1998, they won the title but Reno Riggins took King's place when Doll and Riggins attacked him after the match)

Thanks again. I moved the article into the mainspace and I think it establishes their notability, so I'm not particularly worried about deletion, so I'm not in a hurry for these references. Please let me know if there's anything I can try to help you with on articles that you're working on. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 07:18, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for making WP:NODRAMA a success!
Thank you again for your support of the Great Wikipedia Dramaout. Preliminary statistics indicate that 129 new articles were created, 203 other articles were improved, and 183 images were uploaded. Additionally, 41 articles were nominated for DYK, of which at least 2 have already been promoted. There are currently also 8 articles up for GA status and 3 up for FA/FL status. Though the campaign is technically over, please continue to update the log page at WP:NODRAMA/L with any articles which you worked during the campaign, and also to note any that receive commendation, such as DYK, GA or FA status. You may find the following links helpful in nominating your work:


 * T:TDYK for Did You Know nominations
 * WP:GAC for Good Article nominations
 * WP:FAC for Featured Article nominations
 * WP:FLC for Featured List nominations
 * WP:FPC for Featured Picture nominations

Again, thank you for making this event a success! --Jayron32. talk . say no to drama 02:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

BAFTA Academy Fellowship Award
Hey MPJ-DK, I've attended to most of your comments, thanks for popping over to FLC! Just one thing, the lead length query. Can you suggest anything I might be able to add? It's pretty much all there (and I said at the FLC, even BAFTA don't say a great deal about it on their own official website)... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

US Tag Titles
Thanks for your comments, I replied to/addressed all of them.-- T ru  c o  503  17:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a question, and if its no bother, but can you verify the existence of the 5 NWA United States Tag Team Championships, like the page #'s so I can put in the article for the New Jersey version and we can get a DYK out of it?-- T ru  c o  503  04:20, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Thanks so much. Now how would I write a DYK for it if there might be other US Tag Titles?-- T ru  c o  503  16:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * True, I worded it something like that.-- T ru  c o  503  17:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Talk about the most complicated title history in pro wrestling.-- T ru  c o  503  17:50, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Ref for you
This may help you:. Found it and thought to pass it along.-- Will C  03:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * How recent does the wrestling titles book go?-- Will C  01:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Anything about the Hardcore belt in there?-- Will C  02:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Does it list the day it was vacanted?-- Will C  03:19, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks anyway. This will help.-- Will C  01:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What is the chapter please? " " -- Will C  03:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.-- Will C  15:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you looked at the template? I figure one just about the titles seems out of place. Why have one just about the titles when it could just be one about the entire promotion and do the job plus more. Also I left a few comments yesterday at Talk:Abismo Negro/GA1 just for you to know. I was waiting for replies before passing the article. Making sure everything is settled first. Also the championshipname parameter is supposed to only be about the article name usually. That has usually been the unwritten rule for as all as I've been on here.-- Will C  07:03, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well this is the English wikipedia. Not to but in your territory per-say, but it would be best to have the template give the English name since this is the English pedia and the Spanish translation in the prose.-- Will C  07:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm saying you did. It is just we all tend to have our own little sections. I'm in the TNA section, Gary is in the old or unwatched by the majority articles, and everybody else is in the WWE section mainly. We've all become our own little web masters in a way. Not saying we own them we are like the fathers watching over our kids. It just makes the inforbox wider and a bit more cluttered. Nothing very bad, just something small. Just going by what I've learned through working on here.-- Will C  07:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

FLC reviews
Hi MPJ-DK, thanks for reviewing the most urgent lists, it's great to have you on-board. Just a "polite reminder" (!), could you revisit those lists you've reviewed before Saturday evening (UTC-wise) if at all possible as that's when closures normally take place. All the best. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

NWA Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship
Hey MPJ, I'm currently working on the above list here and I'm done the formatting for its entirety. But Solie.org has it that it was revived in 1999, but I see no other records for that. May you check in your book to see if there is anything for this title after it was retired in 1986? Thanks so much.-- T ru  c o  503  17:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess nothing could be found? Also, thanks for helping out at the WCW US Tag Titles FLC. =]-- T ru  c o  503  03:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

help!
I need help getting my page published I cannot seem to get it (Jmh222 (talk) 21:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)) It's called Articles for creation/The Cornell Center for Hospitality Research (Jmh222 (talk) 13:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC))

DYK problem
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know#Los_Infernales. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Luchadore article
I'm just adding luchadores that are not on your list and I don't have anything specific of who I'm going to add. It's pretty much randomly. --Wrestling-fantic (talk) 19:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, and just to tell you that I have some plans on doing El Sagrado (which is on your list) and Valiente. I as well wont be getting on to wikipedia that much as I use to now.--Wrestling-fantic (talk) 16:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/NWA Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship/archive1‎
Thanks for the review. I address all your comments, mind taking another look?-- T ru  c o  503  20:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Marine Corps Brevet Medal/archive1
Hi, could you revisit? Most of the redlinks have been created. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: CMLL World Trios champions
There was one (minor) unresolved comment: Dabomb87 (talk) 23:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Yvon Cormier/The Beast
I'm working on a series of articles and I've run into a bit of difficulty. There doesn't seem to be an accurate history of the ESA North American Heavyweight Championship online. The version at http://www.wrestling-titles.com/canada/maritimes/esa/esa-na-h.html isn't bad for the most part, but it's got things a little confused in 1972. Would you be able to check your book to see how many times The Beast won the title (and, if possible, who he won it from and lost it to in 1972)? The title was promoted by the Eastern Sports Association (possibly known as International Wrestling) on Canada's East Coast (the Maritimes). Thanks again, GaryColemanFan (talk) 15:26, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you have a chance, I was wondering if you could also let me know if the book has any record of the short-lived Global Tag Team Championship (either the same promotion, or from Atlantic Grand Prix Wrestling, which is also in the Maritimes). It's listed in a subsection in the ESA International Tag Team Championship article, but I can't find a record for it anywhere else. If it is there, can you please confirm that Rudy Kay held the title? Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Pierrothito
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.

Lucha Libre
Good to see you're making good on your plans to improve some lucha articles, while WWE is my main interest I really enjoy finding out about different styles of wrestling and their history. I look forward to hopefully these articles continue especially as CMLL are now doing a weekly programme on my demand service so it's good to know a little about what's going on with the titles &c even if it's all woefully out of date. Tony2Times (talk) 15:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Edits on luchadores
If it's an unreliable source, why is it allowed within external links for several articles on luchadores? Prior to editing Black Warrior, his moveset had moves from his Luchawiki profile, albeit posted in a style similar to how Luchawiki's was posted. I edited it to correspond with Wikipedia's "finishing and signature moves" style. PCE (talk) 08:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Question
I'm not sure which one is rigth because on the CMLL Torneo Gran Alternativa on eng wiki and the one on luchawiki is different for the year 2003? Since you're the expert can you tell me which one is right.

Also to tell you that on your to do list, you put Misterioso II as NWA Welter when it's acuatlly Misterioso (I) who won it and on your page List of Mexican National Trios Champions, you have El Sagrada when it's El Sagrado.--Wrestling-fantic (talk) 15:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Never mind it, I figure what is right and what is wrong now, someone just edited it wrong.--Wrestling-fantic (talk) 15:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I meant on your page. You see on the To Do, 38. Misterioso II - NWA Welter when it suppose to be Misterioso and on your main page you have

List of Mexican National Trios Champions

 * 1) Hombre Bala - Draft
 * 2) Los Destructores
 * 3) Los Payasos
 * 4) Dr. X
 * 5) Nitro
 * 6) Maxímo
 * 7) El Sagrada - this is suppose to be El Sagrado

I hope that help. --Wrestling-fantic (talk) 21:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I really did, it was really good and I really read it. Nice job. --Wrestling-fantic (talk) 21:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

CMLL World Women's Championship
Was about to add it to the FL lists but got sidetracked.-- Will C  06:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You got anything more to say at my FLC?-- Will C  06:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * May I box the fixed ones up?-- Will C  07:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well while you are online, will you explain to me why you are mad at me and taking shots at me like with "YEs primary sources only is a big problem... unless you want to make it a Featured List, in which case it's apparently totally fine. MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk  09:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)". Just tell me why instead of doing this drama stuff.-- Will  C  07:38, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Will you please return to the FLC and reply to the ones which are left? I don't know what else you want done.-- Will C  07:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I change my mind alot. I feel third party sources should always be used. But in the CZW and PWG Titles, primary were used because though there are reliable third party sites covering PWG and CZW, the primary refs gave more information and I could not find many reports on events. I myself was even thinking of putting those lists up for removal because I found no reports at the time and they could be merged back into the main articles. But decided not too because when I find time I plan to redo them. I use what I have.-- Will C  07:56, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Think you can change your oppose to neutral for now? That way it doesn't get closed as a fail while we discuss the final problems? Would hate for it to end like the WWE Hardcore title.-- Will C  01:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Well how about withdrawing your vote for now?-- Will C  05:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Whats wrong? I asked nicely. I would rather it not get closed anytime soon because you have an oppose up while we are having a discussion over the matter. Trying to look out for the betterment of the project, articles, etc.-- Will C  05:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems your just trying to look out to make sure you get your star. Anyway, if progress is being made on the article, the directors won't close it yet. No need for badgering reviewers.  iMatthew  talk  at 11:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I won't even try to responed to that comment Matt. This section was between me and MPJ, not you and us. Maybe you should learn to read.-- Will C  22:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Clearly I do know how to read. I edit and write on Wikipedia, something that would be hard to do if you didn't know how to read. This section was between you and MPJ, but MPJ was clearly getting annoyed at your badgering, so I replied for him. WP:TPS ftw.  iMatthew  talk  at 22:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, Mr. I'm going to leave, no I think I'll stay is here to help. Just because he is getting annoyed, when this was already over does not mean you have to say a word. Now I've hopefully fixed your problems at the FLC Matt, please return to it.-- Will C  22:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Considering the section at WT:PW is getting no feedback and I'm tired of debating, I went ahead and fixed the final problems.-- Will C  23:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Mr. I'm going to leave, no I think I'll stay." What ever happened to maintaining at least a high-school level of maturity? If I care what you thought about that situation, in which you clearly don't know what happened, I would have asked. Now you still haven't fixed my concerns at the FLC, and once I feel you have, I'll strike the "strong" if it makes you happy.  iMatthew  talk  at 23:53, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I followed your example. Okay.-- Will C  00:50, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe this can help you in future projects MPJ?-- Will C  05:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Just trying to help out, try to start some peace. Maybe go back to the way we were. I know you and me have had some problems lately. I would rather not use Solie if there were some other no doubt reliable title history site, but all I got at the moment. Considering it gets its info from books and other promotions it should be marginally reliable in my opinion.-- Will C  05:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments on the IWGP Tag and the support. Also, considering I asked if I could box in the fixed ones above, I thought it would be okay to go ahead and box all the comments. My bad.-- Will C  00:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC) We've had our problems and one of us must be wrong and the other must be right, unless this is a special case. But if you have time and are willing too, drop a few comments at Editor review/Wrestlinglover about my editing and acting around here. All comments will be taken in mind for the future. With all the drama I've been involved in around here lately, I thought I might find out what the main problem is. Don't worry, there will be no hard feelings. Just a simple reply of thank you for the comments and I will try to work on that etc etc etc. Thank you for your time, good day :).-- Will C  11:20, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, no problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrestlinglover (talk • contribs)

Do you plan to take UWA World Junior Light Heavyweight Championship to FL?-- Will C  05:56, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, because I saw and edit summary say FL preperations while I was looking for articles to expand to FL status.-- Will C  06:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Lucha Libre AAA 2010: Heroes del Ring
Hello man, hears, I have found out for some workers of Wikipedia that you are something got mad about the wrestling between her the Mexican wrestling (AAA) and it wanted to know if you might expand the article of Lucha Libre AAA 2010: Heroes del Ring since more information has promised to be in the web, I ask you for it because I have seen that your editions are very good, and the truth I am not be great in this of editing.

--XOTERS (talk) 16:57, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Can you expand this article?
Can you expand Laredo Kid? I want to know more about him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.105.208.25 (talk) 01:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Mistaken spelling correction
Thanks for catching that (so quickly, too). I thought for a while about whether to change that. Apparently I made the wrong decision. Sorry. LilHelpa (talk) 13:40, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

FLRC delegate election
Hi ! I'm just dropping by to let you know of the FLRC delegate election that begins on Tuesday. You may run in the election by following the instructions on the page. If you don't wish to run, please come and vote sometime next week! The election starts Tuesday and ends Saturday. For more information, check out the opening section of the page. Cheers,  iMatthew  talk  at 19:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

& or and
Sorry, but I've done it only today since August, because I've seen it was done on the Manuel Ortiz page for championship and accomplishment Jeangabin (talk) 10:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Enmascarado
Thanks for the note. I noticed the second time, which is why it's now inside a lang tag. I have requested a more permanent fix here. Thanks again! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 15:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I think
I think that you should expand Lizmark, Jr., Rey Cometa, and Pegasso because they seems to have a lot more information then just a little. --216.105.213.141 (talk) 18:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

CMLL Aniversary Show
Isn't aniversary spell like anniversary instead of aniversary.--Wrestling-fantic (talk) 15:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:AFC
Regarding my title submissions to WP:AFC, I either submitted these based on red linked articles (e.g. List of National Wrestling Alliance championships) or as additions from pages I had already submitted though AFC, specifically Turnbuckle Championship Wrestling and the Century Wrestling Alliance. My submission for the NWA Southern Tag Team Championship (Georgia version) was based on the other existing versions. All of these had the Gary Will reference, from a 2006 version, without page numbers cited. User:FPAtl created two of these using only Wrestling-Titles.com, NWA Southern Tag Team Championship (Gulf Coast version) and NWA Southern Tag Team Championship (Mid-America version), while you yourself added a Gary Will reference without citing page numbers. I found an index from the 2000 version here and which is my reason for adding the reference for my submissions.

As for the TCW/CWA titles, I created these pages specifically because the articles I submitted were already very lengthy. I read WP:SPLIT and thought it was appropriate to create title pages. I understand the Continental Wrestling Association shares two of these titles but I didn't know what the naming convention was in this case and since the reviewer was moving the title anyway, it would be better left for them to decide instead of guessing what I thought was appropriate. I could cite each and every name with a news article, or certain magazines/books I own, but I didn't think it was necessary since the sources I used were acceptable on almost every other Wikipedia title history page. 72.74.208.104 (talk) 12:37, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

FL red link criterion discussion
See here. Cheeers, Dabomb87 (talk) 01:53, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Question regarding UWA World Women's Championship
Hey. I'm working on a page for Vicki Williams, a female wrestler of the 1970s. I was wondering if the "Vickie Williams" that won the UWA World Women's Championship three times in 1979–1980 was the same person? The Vicki that I am researching's name was sometimes spelled with an "e" at the end, but I haven't read anything about her working in Mexico. What do you think? Nikki ♥  311   19:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey
Then I'll change the definition. B-Machine (talk) 18:33, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

WWC Television Championship
Hello again, I have Well Dunn nominated as a Featured Article candidate. One of the sources that is causing some trouble is for Timothy Well returning to the World Wrestling Council (Puerto Rico) in 1995. Would you please be able to give me the information for the WWC Television Championship? He held the belt that year after leaving the WWF, so it would be a good alternative to the current source. Thanks yet again, GaryColemanFan (talk) 21:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:49, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Misterioso, Jr.
Hello! Your submission of Misterioso, Jr. at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 23:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Cibernético
I meant to put the Copa Antonio Peña not the rey de reyes--Wrestling-fantic (talk) 01:04, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Reffix
Did you notice the citation error in IWRG Intercontinental Lightweight Championship? Please do not revert fixes (especially of experienced editors who fix tens such articles daily) without understanding what you are doing. If you insist on making a special group parameter for this one note, go ahead, although I would not recommend it. Better keep things simple. Debresser (talk) 18:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

BTW, I appologise for the heated edit summary I wrote when making the same fix the second time around. Debresser (talk) 18:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

My request
I request Rey Cometa to be expanded PLEASE--198.150.40.60 (talk) 21:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Can u
Can u start the article about Mascara Sagrada and Tzuki. I very like them both and i think i should know them more too. --216.105.209.30 (talk) 21:43, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Question
Hey, I just expanded the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship. It still has some problems and I'm not completely done, but would you mine taking a small look at it? Nothing big, just if you think it will pass an FLC. It is still in a subpage located here. Thanks-- Will C  06:59, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

plz
expand rey mysterio jr. mexico career plz i beg u--198.150.40.60 (talk) 20:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

please
plz expand rey misterio, sr. article plz--216.105.212.96 (talk) 04:57, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

The Great Wikipedia Dramaout
Hi! As you have expressed an interest in the initial The Great Wikipedia Dramaout, you're being notified because we are currently planning another one in January! We hope to have an even greater level of participation this time around, and we need your help. If you're still interested please sign up now at The Great Wikipedia Dramaout/2nd. Thanks, and Happy Holidays! JCbot (talk) 04:40, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy WikiBirthday (a couple days late)
I saw from here that it's been three years since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 15:45, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Bobby Kay
Hi, you mentioned that you have books (the Hall of Fame series - the Canadians, and possibly another) with information on the Cormier wrestling family. I nominated the articles at GAN, and the reviewer of the Bobby Kay article is asking for more detail about his career. I was wondering if you know if there is much in the books about Bobby. He was the youngest in the family and wasn't nearly as famous as his brothers The Beast or Leo Burke, so I haven't been able to find much more about him. Any help would be wonderful, though. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 20:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Either way would be wonderful. I don't have a lot of free time this week, but I could expand the article a bit if you can provide we with some information. If there is anything you could add to it, that would be great as well. I'm just hoping to get a little bit more depth and add another source or two so that it doesn't seem so dependent on the SLAM! Wresting link. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:32, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Request
Hey there. I was wondering if you could help me out with something. I know you have the Wrestling Titles book, and I was wondering if it contained the NWA Canadian Open Tag Team Championship and the NWA Texas Heavyweight Championship. I'm currently trying to expand Eric Holmback (Yukon Eric), and I was hoping you could give me information on his reigns with those championships, like partners/date won/locations/date lost/etc. Thanks, ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 11:30, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:NODRAMA/2
Just a quick reminder that the Second Great Wikipedia Dramaout has begun. Please log any work you do at The Great Wikipedia Dramaout/2nd/Log. Good luck! -- Jayron  32  01:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

you like wrestling
Wow! you sure like wrestling! I write Mexico related articles too. You should note the articles you start or expand on WP:MEXICO page in the new pages section.Thelmadatter (talk) 17:08, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That reminds me... when I wrote the Colonia Doctores article (where I live) I could not find info on Arena Mexico, the famous lucha venue. There is a stub on it as well. could you expand it and/or send me sources, so I can do it. I read Spanish.Thelmadatter (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Arena Mexico is certainly a lot better than it was!Thelmadatter (talk) 15:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey.. I managed to find a newspaper article on Arena Mexico and boxing. But some of my information conflicts with yours. Specifically, you state that the arena was build specifically for lucha libre but was a major boxing venue from 1956 to the end of the 20th century. Im not a sports fan, maybe you want to take a shot as smoothing it out?Thelmadatter (talk) 16:03, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship/archive1
Hi there MPJ-DK. When you get the chance, can you revisit this FLC and help out with the sorting issue brought up? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 00:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Blue Demon
You are wrong. Maybe you don't know Spanish language as you say "Demonio Azul" is just a nickname. "Demonio Azul" is simply "Blue Demon" in Spanish. Blue Demon is just a traduction. The wrestler wrestles as Demonio Azul. His name has simply been traduced for the USA public. --AndreaFox2 (talk) 16:38, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

As you seem interested in lucha libre think about this: if blue demon wasn't just a traduction the "leyenda de azul" should have been known as "blue legend". --AndreaFox2 (talk) 16:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

The move of Blue Demon is totally and utterly wrong! he has been referred to as Blue Demon more than anything, billed as such with the "demonio azul" being more of a nickname. The move needs to be undone. MPJ -DK 16:35, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I didn't want to sound offensive: i assumed you didn't konwn it as you say it was just a nickname, like if demonio azul and blue demon means different things. It is not true that "he was billed and is referred to everywhere as "Blue Demon", books, posters and articles in Spanish generally list him as Blue Demon". This is true in English, not in Spanish. He wrestles as Demonio Azul, he is billed and listed as such. So his billed name is "Demonio Azul". If you check spanish sites or if you listen to Spanish announcers and commentaries of his matches you will agree with me. --AndreaFox2 (talk) 16:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Then name those articles, books, ... The leyenda de azul was just an example. I didn't understand your reference to the leyenda de plata. And i didn't understand your concern over this matter too. It doesn't seem to me that big matter. I simply think it is rightous to put its true name, than its translation. However the translation is still used in his articles. Then where's the problem? --AndreaFox2 (talk) 16:54, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

http://superluchas.net/ can't be considered a sure source. In its main page (these are examples) it lists superloco as supercrazy and rey misterio as rey mysterio and it seems more focused on wwe than mexico itself. You seems to ignore i ask you to list those sites, ... --AndreaFox2 (talk) 16:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

then it is explained why i din't understand your reference: leyenda de plata is in honor of el santo, leyenda de azul is in honor of demonio azul. See here: http://www.cinefania.com/movie.php/143151/. See what it is the original spanish name. See here: http://www.palestraaguascalientes.com/deportes/el-santo-vencio-al-demonio-azul-en-lucha-al-aire-libre/. See what are the results of googling on http://www.google.es/ not on http://www.google.en/. You still haven't listed your sites, books,... --AndreaFox2 (talk) 17:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

See http://books.google.es/books?id=Xbcha3h18lcC&pg=PT163&lpg=PT163&dq=demonio+azul+luchador&source=bl&ots=FQHGmEWHXy&sig=zI_hUq5OEScWjiLWUgjZGEvZKG8&hl=it&ei=Qf9qS822G9KnsQbtm82EBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CCcQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=demonio%20azul%20luchador&f=false —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndreaFox2 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

http://www.google.es/search?hl=it&q=blue+demon+lucha&aq=f&oq=, http://www.google.es/search?hl=it&q=demonio+azul+lucha&aq=f&oq=. The results you gave are erroneous. However even if googling proves me right, this kind of "proof" is quite misleading. From what i know Blue Demon and Demonio Azul are quite interchangeble. Mexicans fans, commentators,... semms to prefer the second one. They are both correct, the article lists them both. So, this is not that big deal. However, there are various way to deal with a user: calling someone's argouments pathetic or saying he doesn't understand, trying to look superior, isn't the one i prefer. --AndreaFox2 (talk) 17:23, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

read what i added to the previous message. I say it's not a big deal, because you seem angry and you talk harsh unnecessarly. Do you think you're right? open a discussion over the matter. --AndreaFox2 (talk) 17:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

When you say you could proof your points with thousands of sites, book, ... you linked only a site. As i say googling doesn't proof anything and even doing it like you say, the results are different from the ones you are listing. So i think i'm right. Do you think you're right too? Then open a discussion to advance your proposal. --AndreaFox2 (talk) 17:35, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Where did you post the move request? --AndreaFox2 (talk) 17:43, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --AndreaFox2 (talk) 17:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)