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= 2018=

= January =

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Grammar and style
Hi. Hope you are well. Can I ask for your 'English' help with Denise Stephens. I'm reviewing for a dyk but think it needs a little tidy and grammar polishing. What do you think? Whispyhistory (talk) 13:08, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . I've made some copyedits to Denise Stephens. I'm concerned about the phrase "She is known for leading ...", which risks getting a tag; it might be better to write "She leads ...". Maproom (talk) 16:53, 20 January 2018 (UTC)  . . . . No, it would be a  tag. Maproom (talk) 08:15, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Whispyhistory (talk) 18:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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= February =

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Oxford 58
Hi, please see m:Talk:Meetup/Oxford/58 and indicate which option would most suit you. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 23:19, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

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On respectable names
Re : I had never heard of the Washington Times before, but it's a clever choice of name, isn't it? Sounds a bit like it partakes of the joint respectability of the Washington Post and the New York Times. While being actually, as you say, worse than the Daily Mail. Best, Bishonen &#124; talk 17:32, 6 February 2018 (UTC).

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Too many references for one sentence
Several people commented in The Teahouse that too many references for one statement might be a problem. I was wondering who might know where this sort of thing could be discussed. I went back in the history of one article where I have a sentence supported by five references. The basic information about a building was added here. With two more sources I was able to add the size and cost of a building here. And then I found another source which had a different size for the building, added here. The building was across from another facility of the company, but I didn't find the edit where I added that. It looked better to just put all five sources at the end of the sentence than to be jumping back and forth.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:29, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * In User:CD17/sandbox/Water-filtered_infrared-A, you have cited seven references for the uncontentious statement "These wavelengths would otherwise interact with water molecules in the upper layer of the skin and would cause a thermal burden to the skin, resulting in stinging or burning". I see no need to use more than one. At R. J. Reynolds Tobacco Company you used five references, apparently to support the statement "the company had plans for a new skyscraper downtown." That is also excessive. If some of those references in fact support other statements, they should be moved to follow those statements. Maproom (talk) 21:51, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not User:CD17. And for the other article, no, I was referring to the headquarters that was not downtown. But if you look at each version in the history, you see that one source supported the basic information about both the headquarters that wasn't downtown, and the plans for the one that was. It's going to be a mess if I do it right.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  16:19, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, take a look now. Unfortunately, I don't currently have access to the two sources that gave me the building's size and cost, so we have two sources for its cost, since I don't know which one has that, until I can resolve that. Also, I don't know, since a can't access a third source, if that source says the building is on Reynolds Boulevard. I know the other one does, but adding that would be kind of ridiculous.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  19:07, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe that the Reynolds article looks better now. I apologise for confusing you with User:CD17. Maproom (talk) 11:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

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Geograph
My uploads from Geograph to Commons are galleried at User:Redrose64. The file description page for each one has an entry "Source From geograph.org.uk" - if you click that, you'll get to the image's description page at geograph. In that page there is a link "Find out How to reuse this image" which if followed will show several sets of instructions; look for the "Wikipedia Template for image page." one. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 23:58, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

= March =

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AfC notification: Draft:Evelyn Bourke has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Evelyn Bourke. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 17:07, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

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Quick question
Hi! I was wondering if you could point me to a tutorial or resources for creating electoral maps such as File:ElectoralCollege2016.svg. Thank you! – Lionel(talk) 07:19, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, . I'm sorry, I've never created such a map, and I don't know how it's done. But I can see that that SVG file is well-constructed, with the outline of each state labelled with its two-letter code, so everything is easy to find and modify. If I wanted to make such a map for a different election, I'd take that one, rename it, and use a simple text editor (such as Notepad) to modify it. Maproom (talk) 08:23, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

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 * I did request indefinite extended confirmed protection. The page was only semi-protected and for only a short time. The semi-protection will expire on 02:05, 12 March 2018. I think the RfC should continue based on that fact. QuackGuru ( talk ) 15:04, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Maproom: re - technically, it's a different RfC because QuackGuru  in the same talk page section, to which Legobot  that was different from the previous one. Since different rfcids are involved, records of who had been informed whilst the first was still open will have been ignored for the second RfC. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 20:52, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

French Submarine Turquoise
Hi, I see you have just moved the above page from a date defined to general title quoting standard naming. I think you are wrong - there were two french submarines called Turquoise ( see the link at the top of the page to other ships) and the correct method to dab them is to put the year of launch in brackets in the title. Perhaps you could review your actions and correct unless I am misunderstanding things Lyndaship (talk) 08:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, Lyndaship. The name of the submarine was "Turquoise", so that should be the name of the article. But Wikipedia has articles on other things with that name, so dab is needed: this is adequately done by "(French submarine)" – in fact "(submarine)" would be sufficient. Wikipedia has no other articles on French submarines name "Turquoise", so no further disambiguation is needed.
 * If someone creates a Wikipedia article on another French submarine of that name, then yes, adding a year to the article title will be needed.
 * I see that there's a dab page French ship Turquoise, which links to only one article. When there's only one article, there's no need for disambiguation, so that dab page ought to be deleted. But maybe you or is planning to create one? Maproom (talk) 10:01, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry the page you refer to as a dab page is not a dab page but a ship index page WikiProject_Ships/Guidelines and definitely needs to exist regardless of if articles for both ships have been created yet. The rules for differentiating between ships of the same name are at Naming conventions (ships) so the year is needed. Lyndaship (talk) 10:38, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see you are right about ship index pages. Maproom (talk) 10:50, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That leaves the main point though about the correct title for the article page. It should include the year, heres the relevant text from the ships page:

"Individual ship articles For ship article naming conventions, see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships).

Articles about individual ships should have fully disambiguated titles, and include all information from the index page; in other words, don't assume that the reader has seen the index page."

Without the year stated if someone refers to the WWII french submarine Turquoise in an article it will link to the wrong ship. Can you revert your page name change please? Lyndaship (talk) 11:12, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I see that what you are recommending is commonly done, though I don't see the need to disambuguate when there is no ambiguity, and I haven't found any such recommendation on any of the policy pages mentioned above. So I'll revert. Maproom (talk) 11:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * got there first. Maproom (talk) 11:37, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Maps project
Hello! It was good to meet you in Oxford last month.

Looking back at our discussion (3 years ago!), you were right, I never did get back in touch with you.

The automatic categoriser and uploader that I was talking about then never got written either. But, as I was mentioning, things haven't entirely stood still. Since that time almost 30,000 of the 50,000 maps that were identified have now had georeferencing added (this progress page has a breakdown of what's left); of which I hope I am now getting close to uploading a first group of 5,000, that relate to the UK and Ireland, with some attempt to group them and provide some Commons categories, based on what the maps appear to be of, based on their scale and coordinates and bounding boxes from the georeferencing (see these preparation pages, generated by a script, for links and listings); as well as a further 600 maps that were split over two pages (corresponding pages). If you're interested (or want to suggest improvements), rough notes on some of the process can be found on this page.

It's still work in progress at the moment -- I'd like to do a bit of work on the Commons c:Template:Map description template first, and also need to investigate a few maps from this group that have already been uploaded independently. Plus there are still about 1000 of the 6000 that still need names input; and a slow but steady trickle of new maps still being added from the georeferencing. But I do hope quite soon now to finally start getting them uploaded and publicised.

I fear you are right, that most of what is uploaded to Commons simply passes most Wikipedia editors by, unless they happen to see one of the files in an article they follow. But I'm hoping that with perhaps a piece in the Signpost, and a sufficiently big group of files, then it might encourage some editors to look at the Commons maps and plans categories, to see if there's something that they would like to put into an article. I don't know whether images from the atlases you were talking about might fit in with that too? But they sound as though they would be nice to have on Commons.

Take care, and very good to have met you. Jheald (talk) 18:37, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, it's good to hear from you again.
 * I won't be able to do much for a while – I'm out of the country from tomorrow until March 24th, and then away again in early April. But if you give me a list of maps on Commons that need something done, I can try to do it.
 * I have little grasp of categories. I used to try to add categories to maps I uploaded to Commons, but I noticed that most of the subsequent changes to them were more experienced editors removing the categories I'd added and replacing them by the correct ones.
 * The map template you link to above looks easier to use. I guess that for each map I look at, I add the template to its Commons page, with some of the fields populated. Will there be a way for users to search maps by the "name" field in the template, rather than by filename?
 * Take care, Maproom (talk) 18:50, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

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Draft:Evelyn Bourke
Hi, I remember you mentioning at Teahouse that the Financial Times source in the article was behind a paywall. I just figured out that if the title of the reference (Career path to the top from the school gates) is searched in Google and clicked, it somehow opens without showing the paywall. For some reason I got interested in the article and have been helping out the editor with small edits here and there. Thanks, MT Train Talk 18:14, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That's a useful tip. Maproom (talk) 22:14, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

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Request for Comments regarding faith healing and pseudoscience
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Ethel Armstrong
Hi - your skills required. Can you check grammar and prose of this please? Ethel Armstrong.Thank you Whispyhistory (talk) 18:54, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you
Thank you for your edits Whispyhistory (talk) 23:41, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

= April =

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Facto Post – Issue 11 – 9 April 2018
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 * Facto Post – Issue 11 – 9 April 2018

 

The 100 Skins of the Onion
Open Citations Month, with its eminently guessable hashtag, is upon us. We should be utterly grateful that in the past 12 months, so much data on which papers cite which other papers has been made open, and that Wikidata is playing its part in hosting it as "cites" statements. At the time of writing, there are 15.3M Wikidata items that can do that.

Pulling back to look at open access papers in the large, though, there is is less reason for celebration. Access in theory does not yet equate to practical access. A recent LSE IMPACT blogpost puts that issue down to "heterogeneity". A useful euphemism to save us from thinking that the whole concept doesn't fall into the realm of the oxymoron.

Some home truths: aggregation is not content management, if it falls short on reusability. The PDF file format is wedded to how humans read documents, not how machines ingest them. The salami-slicer is our friend in the current downloading of open access papers, but for a better metaphor, think about skinning an onion, laboriously, 100 times with diminishing returns. There are of the order of 100 major publisher sites hosting open access papers, and the predominant offer there is still a PDF. From the discoverability angle, Wikidata's bibliographic resources combined with the SPARQL query are superior in principle, by far, to existing keyword searches run over papers. Open access content should be managed into consistent HTML, something that is currently strenuous. The good news, such as it is, would be that much of it is already in XML. The organisational problem of removing further skins from the onion, with sensible prioritisation, is certainly not insuperable. The CORE group (the bloggers in the LSE posting) has some answers, but actually not all that is needed for the text and data mining purposes they highlight. The long tail, or in other words the onion heart when it has become fiddly beyond patience to skin, does call for a pis aller. But the real knack is to do more between the XML and the heart.

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 * Crossref as a new source of citation data: A comparison with Web of Science and Scopus, CWTS blogpost 17 January 2018, Nees Jan van Eck, Ludo Waltman, Vincent Larivière, Cassidy Sugimoto
 * Citations with identifiers in Wikipedia, figshare dataset
 * Making women more visible online—with Wikidata tools!, Wikimedia blogpost 29 March 2018 by Sandra Fauconnier
 * Village pump discussion, Turn on mapframe? We’re ready if you are reaches conclusions
 * The Power of the Wikimedia Movement beyond Wikimedia, Forbes 28 March 2018, Michael Bernick
 * Tracing stolen bitcoin, blogpost 26 March 2018 by Ross J. Anderson
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Opened RfC at Talk:Apache_OpenOffice
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your edit of Frank Richards
thanks for doing this; it will mean a lot to his family and help researchers interested in Franks books. --Secretpsychologist (talk) 12:48, 17 April 2018 (UTC)Secretpsychologist

edits
Thanks for John Basil Hume. Can you see Owen Harding Wangensteen too? This is amazing team effort. Whispyhistory (talk) 21:48, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Done – I could find very little that wanted changing. Maproom (talk) 05:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

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BID
- strange :_) You have some history and knowledge of the article and knew it was "well referenced" at one time - maybe you forgot. -- Green  C  21:27, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see that I once added a ref to it. I left it on my watch list, but must have always ignored it as looking boring when it turned up there. This morning I did look at it, unaware of how it got on my watchlist, and considered it an obvious case for deletion. Maproom (talk) 22:41, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
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= May =

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Thanks
Hi Maproom, just wanted to say thanks for your help with my query (my article might never have left non-review limbo otherwise). All the best, Mark Markmiseldine (talk) 15:33, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

The Lordship of Bromfield and Yale
Hello, Many thanks for your time and detailed advice, it was very useful and constructive. I have asked for the page to be deleted as I did not realise how big the project would be. I think as a newbie I'll stay with smaller articles that I'm having approved for now and work towards such a large project in the future. Thanks again and kind regards, Wayne WPCW (talk) 22:52, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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= June =

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RfA?
Hey Maproom, wanted to check with you if you thought of running for it ever... Warmly, Lourdes 17:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey, and thank you for the suggestion. I will not be running for it, ever. I would have to run a gauntlet of absurdly difficult questions, which I would not be motivated to try to answer correctly. Even if I were somehow "successful", I would not be granted any powers I have ever felt a need for. Best wishes, Maproom (talk) 20:42, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I can understand. Good to see you around the Help Desk. Warmly, User:Lourdes 00:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

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The Matthew Mess
Hi Maproom, long time no see, however despite the hiatus, the Matthew nondebate persists simply through people's unwillingness to check out the evidence. This I can only conclude because once seen, there is no doubt in anyone's mind how ridiculous the evidence offered on Darwin's wrongdoing. Now, please do not take any of the following as personal. It is not intended that way, just passionate exposition.

The fallacy being maintained here, is that Sutton has actually published valid scientific papers. He has not. None of his publications have been reviewed by anyone qualified to do so. You do not need me to tell you that, only your own eyes and brain to look at what he claims then look at the evidence. For example, Robert Chambers is the main claim he has, of an important individual to have seen Matthew's book, arising from the existence of what Sutton claims is a review by Robert Chambers in the Chambers' Journal. It is not. It is a copy of an article in the Quarterly from some months before. Regardless of who wrote the article, it does not place a copy of the book with the important evolutionary part therein into Robert Chambers' hands. What's more is that Robert Chambers was not even working on the Chambers' Journal at the time, nor is there any mention of Matthew or the ideas in his book in the Vestiges of Creation, Chambers' magnus opus. Finally, but in no way the last contradictory evidence that comprehensively refutes EVERYTHING Sutton has produced outwith Criminology since 2013, inclusive, is that a detailed examination (that is published in a high profile peer reviewed specialist journal) of the various versions of selection, a commonly held idea for its stabilisation of natural populations since Lucretius, finds Matthew added nothing new, and what he did cobble together would never work, as it inevitably always ends in an evolutionary cul-de-sac, hence his resort to Cuvier's catastrophism.

With respect, the reason I care about this is because it is our field of interest, three career professional academics watching a refined area of historical and scientific knowledge getting perverted by the whims of an overly egocentric amateur. You are giving him leeway simply because he squeezed his falsehoods into wikipedia under our noses using sock puppetry. That is not the way this is supposed to work. It is supposed to be set up by people who care enough to become experts, and maintained by those same knowledgeable individuals. Sutton spews stuff out without thinking nor checking. Look at the Matthew page, and his personal page (that he wrote anonymously about himself, btw -- just cross reference the origins of that page with the sock puppet record): if they were truthful, honest treatments, most of the material would not be there, because it is not publishable or not published in a reputable journal. Either, let us cover his falsehoods with links to our published refutation -- the equivalent of a RETRACTED notice across his papers -- or let us edit out the unsubstantiated, nonpeer-reviewed stuff, and leave there what is tenable.

As they say, 2 wrongs don't make a right: (1) Sutton pushes his falsehoods onto Wiki, a respected source of information -- which he hates btw. Have you read his venomous, personal and general, attacks at Wiki editors? (2) Wiki maintains his point of view through wanting to be PC and fair, and academic freedom of speech, even though no-one at all, from within the evolutionary biological sciences who has been approached has given it any credence. A fault-ridden, conspiracy theorist, with a fantasy to push, and his main supporter in perpetuating the fallacy, is Wikipedia, whom he loves to hate. Regarding Academic Freedom of Speech -- research has to be scholarly to qualify for that protection.

It is not acceptable for anyone to defend his "work" unless they have fully tested his claims. If you haven't laughed out loud in disbelief at how stupid his errors, within half and hour of checking, give me a shout, Jfderry (talk) 14:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't want to defend Sutton. He's wrong and you're right.  In the past I've removed a fair bit of his stuff from the article.  My only criticism is of your actions in attaching references to your paper inside other references.  That's not how we do references on Wikipedia.  I won't object to your citing your own work (though technically you shouldn't), and I certainly won't object when you delete or refute Sutton's stuff. But please do so in ways that follow Wikipedia's rules. References belong in the text of the article, not in other references. Maybe I was wrong to revert all of your recent edits; but I wanted to make sure I got all the "nested" references.
 * Best wishes, Maproom (talk) 16:48, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

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Your comments in the Teahouse
You probably shouldn't be telling new editors that stubs are unacceptable because that really isn't true. See Stub. Best Regards, Barbara ✐ ✉  01:12, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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Chian diaspora
Hi, I was about to fiddle with the caption to this image from Chian diaspora, but then realized I have very little idea how it's connected to the subject. Can you help? Sparafucil (talk) 02:34, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Two members of the Chian diaspora, Stephen Ralli and Michael Rodocanachi, were the main people responsible for the funding and building of the (pre-IRA) Baltic Exchange. I would much prefer to use an image of the building itself; but I have failed to find one that isn't restricted by copyright (which I find odd; I often walked past its impressive facade before it was destroyed). Maproom (talk) 06:58, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

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Seeking guidance on practical AfD processing.
You recently agreed with me in the Teahouse on an article being in a crappy state (nothing actually important, but for the sake of reference, it was here, and about Boston Confucians).

Well, could you I lure you into taking a look at List of breakfast drinks, and tell me if that's something worth keeping? Note/Disclosure: I very recently created an AfD for it, and feel it may have failed by having 3 people with a vested or pet interest in it, disregarding common sense. - But, maybe I mishandled the AfD, which in turn begs the question of what I should have done. -- DexterPointy (talk) 23:30, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I've had a look at List of breakfast drinks. In my view, it's a crappy list, and Wikipedia would be better without it. But you've put it up for deletion, and been outvoted. So remove it from your watchlist and forget about it. There are more important things, both in Wikipedia and elsewhere. Maproom (talk) 17:43, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, Thanks. I'll (in the future) avoid wasting time in AfDs. (BTW: Alluding to importance of Wikipedia is a bit of an oxymoron) -- DexterPointy (talk) 19:18, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

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sorry
Sorry, why did you get rid of the links, you got my article declined, I had to undo that — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huff slush7264 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * . This must be about Draft:I.C. Woodward. I removed the direct external links because it is against Wikipedia policy to include such links in the body of an article, see External links. You needed to cite those sources, both to comply with that policy, and to establish that the subject is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. I see that the draft does now includes citations. Maproom (talk) 20:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

hello again
Hi, I cited them! Sorry. I just started wikipedia. I only have 100 edits, and 99% of them are on my user page and I.C woodward. Just to notice you of that.
 * Yes, I see that now. I've amended the content of the "References" section, to make this clearer. You may want to remove, or repurpose, the material that I've commented off. Maproom (talk) 20:47, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I see that all five of your citations are of pages which don't even mention the I.C. Woodward. Unless you can cite sources with significant discussion of the ship, the draft will be rejected again. Maproom (talk) 06:31, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

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hi again
they do mention it, but the link does not head to the exact page that it is on. there was a book by thunder bay books but i guess they stopped printing it? the book is from like 2004 anyway. i did take the link to the exact page, but somehow it does not link to the page i originally set it to. Huff slush7264 00:10, 29 July 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huff slush7264 (talk • contribs)

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Kohenet
I don't understand. Did that vandal delete my citations. Kohenet openly states that they are neopagan. My opponent is literally flat out lying. I gave the citations, and I can give many more. If that vandal persists in deleting what I post here just give me your email, and I will email detailed citations and quotes. I am distressed that my opponent is stooping to deleting material and lying :-( RK (talk) 01:31, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This is about Semitic neopaganism – whenever you refer to an article, it helps to give a link to it, so readers will know what you're writing about.
 * "Vandal" has a precise meaning within Wikipedia. It should not be used as an insult to refer to anyone that you disagree with. See Vandalism.
 * The paragraph that deleted cited two sources. The first one gives an error message when I try to access it. The second does not support your claim "Kohenet openly states that they are neopagan." If you can find a source that does support that claim, don't email it to me, use it on the discussion page of the article to justify your case for mentioning the Kohenet in the article. Maproom (talk) 07:37, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

What? I have tons of citations. Why are they being deleted? They are openly a neopagan semitic religion. Why are people lying about them? RK (talk)


 * The contested paragraph cited two sources. One does not now exist, and the other does not support your claim that they are "openly neopagan". It's no use claiming to have tons of citations if you don't cite any of them. Maproom (talk) 13:59, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

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Is this is an user page?
I live in England. I am a native English speaker, and retain some schoolboy French. I have a science degree.

I can program in Prolog, Perl, and PHP, and write raw html. I like maps. I have an account on Wikimedia Commons. PRABHAKAR.S (talk) 13:24, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is the beginning of my user page. Maproom (talk) 15:26, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

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answer
Dear Maproom,

I have pictures where we are together, Amira Medunjanin and I (Enigma666rock 12:26, 28 August 2018 (UTC)enigma666rock) but I do not want to put them in public, is there a way to put them in a private message for review. Also, how to remove the warning sign from the page? I'm not good at wikipedia and I need specific help.

Best regards! Enigma666rock 12:26, 28 August 2018 (UTC)enigma666rock — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enigma666rock (talk • contribs)


 * Dear Enigma666rock,
 * If you have pictures you don't want made public, there would be no reason to put them in a private message. I assume from your question that you don't live near her, so you can't provide a better picture of her just by visiting her with a camera. You could use the picture to the right, which has been on Wikimedia Commons for six years without problems. In it she's not really facing the camera, but it's better then the current picture.
 * At present, most of the content of the article has been written by you and by Amira herself (or someone using her name). That is why I added the tag. The best way to get it removed would be for people having no connection with Amira to contribute to the article. I would try to help myself, but I know nothing about singing or choral tradition, and would have difficulty finding relevant sources.
 * Best regards, Maproom (talk) 12:56, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

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Hatnotes
Dear ! Thank you so much for your help on my query at the Teahouse! Our discussion there has been archived, and hence I begin a new one here.

I believe the Admin issue you mentioned last on Siddharth Menon (actor) has been resolved. Could you now guide me further on what you meant by Hatnotes for the this page and for Siddharth Menon; and how I may add them to both pages?

I shall soon be getting round to adding and citing further information that properly disambiguates both of the articles from each other as the subjects share a common name and work in a common industry.

Thanks once again for your help, kind regards, Spinster300 (talk) 04:27, 3 September 2018 (UTC).
 * Hi, the instructions about hatnotes are at Hatnote. I would add them myself, but I'll be travelling for much of today. I'll aim to do it tomorrow (Tuesday) morning if no-one else had already added them by then. Maproom (talk) 06:13, 3 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Alright! Thank you for connecting me to the guide. I’ll try my best to figure out how to format the Hatnotes. But I’d like to wait for you to do so tomorrow, since I’m new here, and seeing how you format them will be better for my learning how to format them in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spinster300 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I wonder if Siddharth Menon (actor) and Siddharth Menon are about the same person. They both live in Maharashtra, they both have Malayali parents, they were born less than two months apart, they are both actors, they look very similar with the same designer stubble. If in fact they are the same person, we need a merge, not hatnotes. Could you please check? Maproom (talk) 21:05, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Pinging . Maproom (talk) 09:28, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I began the article Siddharth Menon (actor) after I saw his work in the film Loev on Netflix. He is most certainly a different person than Siddharth Menon. For some reason, even Google has them confused. I believe their individual Facebook pages can help us disambiguate them better: Siddharth Menon is https://m.facebook.com/SiddhuOnline, where as Siddharth Menon (actor) is https://m.facebook.com/sidmenon. Hope this helps! Spinster300 (talk) 09:40, 4 September 2018 (UTC).
 * , I've done the hatnotes. You can change the wording if it'll help. Maproom (talk) 11:30, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh great! Thank you so very much fro your help. Kind regards, Spinster300 (talk) 14:13, 4 September 2018 (UTC).

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check - up
Hi maproom, hope you are well. Can you check my recent edits please. English is my 2nd language. Whispyhistory (talk) 18:48, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I am well and trust that you are.
 * I used to keep up with your impressive rate of article creation, by finding all your recent articles on your user page and copy-editing the ones I hadn't looked at yet. I could recognise the new ones because my browser showed the link in a different colour. But after some weeks, the ones I had already looked at started to be "not visited recently" and coloured the same as the new ones, so I couldn't reliably tell the new ones from the old. After that I stopped copy-editing them.
 * I'm happy to resume, but could you please help me by providing a list of your new, uncopy-edited, articles? It could be on a subpage of your user page, or of mine (I've created User:Maproom/medical). Then I can marked them as "done" once I've copy-edited them. Maproom (talk) 16:07, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * All good thanks. I hope all good with you too and sorry I haven't made it Oxford for a while. That's a great idea. I won't have to worry about my grammar. Thank you and I will add. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:11, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I've added that page you created to the top of my list of tools on my userpage too. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:14, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I sometimes can't help writing "in addition"- will try and change my habits. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:51, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

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your recent reverts
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Székely_people&curid=11394933&diff=861695014&oldid=861693429 what's this joke from you? It was referenced. See talk page. Skyhighway (talk) 09:26, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * No problem, you delete that one. Skyhighway (talk) 11:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Your edits are welcome only you have to understand that some users here lack arguments. For example, they try to push a POV on so called National Team of Football of Szeklers with location in Romania, but this one was initiated in Hungary (so another state) and 2nd it was made by private persons as a company or NGO but in any case not national. They may call it how they wish, even the MOON association, National MOON Team of football of Szeklers but in no case this is not a national team in Romania. Skyhighway (talk) 11:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I am unlikely to read, let alone edit, any article on football. Maproom (talk) 16:08, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I see. Me neither. But. Look the situation here. It is this article: [] Székely Land national football team This one is the heart of all disagreements with the other editors. Because this is not a national team of football people based on ethnicity as the name implies, so, it's not like the French national football team or Italian national football team. This one was initiated in 2014 in Budapest by a guy. Now, he can name his team as he wants, but the article should state clear what it is and it is not. Even if the name is misleading, the article should inform correctly the reader not to understand that there is a nation, a land, a country and has a national team of football. User Borsoka and User Fakirbakir and User Kiengir are Hungarians and they support very much the misleading article, because they think they help Hungary in doing this. Skyhighway (talk) 18:25, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I can think of many many ways I would rather spend my time, than a controversy about the name of a football team. Maproom (talk) 18:42, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Exactly, tell this to the others, why they spend so much energy to make a fork POV? This is the question. Skyhighway (talk) 18:47, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If you are having trouble with a football-related article, have you tried asking for assistance at WT:FOOTY? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 19:13, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I didn't knew about it, so I let a notification there. Skyhighway (talk) 06:21, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

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Commons upload
Hi, re : if it's the Commons upload wizard that's bugging you, do what I do - skip right past it. You can do this by going to Preferences → Gadgets and disabling "UploadWizard: Upload Wizard. Especially useful for new users." - disabling this will alter the destination of the "Upload file" link in the left margin. Alternatively, the direct link to the old upload page is c:Commons:Upload.

In that, the ones that I mostly use are: the last two being under the "Upload form for experienced users" subheading. Note that "Go directly to the main upload form" in the second list is exactly the same as "It is from somewhere else" in the main list. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 21:11, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It is from somewhere else
 * It is [//commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=ownwork entirely my own work]
 * Already know the license, and its copyright tag? Go directly to the main upload form or its [//commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=experienced experienced] variant.
 * Already have an template ready? Use the [//commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uploadformstyle=basic basic upload form].


 * Hi,, and thank you for your interest. No, you've already shown me how to ignore the wizard and use the upload form directly, and I've used it successfully a few times. I'll explain what's bugging me now.
 * Last Friday, October 26th, I visited a friend András Bereznay at his apartment in London. He wanted help in uploading some map images he had created to Commons. These had been commissioned by another Wikipedia editor (maybe Borsoka, that's just a guess) for payment. I guided him through the upload process, using license cc-by-sa-4.0, apparently successfully. A few days later, the images were still there, and he hadn't received any complaints from Commons admins about copyright or anything else. He was paid by the editor who'd commissioned them.
 * Early this week, he emailed me to say he'd found an error in one of the maps, File:Map Origin of Transylvanian Watercourse Names.jpg . He sent me a corrected version and asked me to upload it over the erroneous version, because he didn't know how to "upload new version". I did so.
 * This morning, Commons editor Jeff_G. marked the image for deletion, and posted templates to my and András's Commons talk pages saying "This media may be deleted" [sic]. Neither of us has any idea why he did this, or what he expects us to do about it. I've made a token attempt to discuss it with him at his Commons talk page. But I've encountered such behaviour from Commons admins before (see my Commons talk page), and I don't expect to get an intelligible response from him. Normally I'd just shrug and put it out of my mind; but on this occasion András has accepted payment for his work, and is worried about whether he ought to return the portion of it that applies to this image. András is very angry about what has happened, whereas I consider that all Commons admins are Turing test failures and directing any emotion at them is inappropriate. But I've now encountered such problems often enough that I'm no longer willing to invest time in struggling with the Commons upload process. Maproom (talk) 22:32, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Have you explained all of this to ?
 * One thing to consider is this: has the image concerned been uploaded to another website, at any previous time? If so, this must be declared.
 * It seems to me that whilst it is OK for the image creator to upload the image as CC BY-SA 4.0, it is apparently not OK for another person to overwrite that image with an image that is clearly very similar, yet still claim own work. In the template, the source parameter contains  but perhaps it should contain  instead. Please read the documentation for both of these templates.
 * As I see it, the things to do would be for you to first revert the image to the original version, using the [//commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Map_Origin_of_Transylvanian_Watercourse_Names.jpg&action=revert&oldimage=20181031194320%21Map_Origin_of_Transylvanian_Watercourse_Names.jpg revert] link at c:File:Map Origin of Transylvanian Watercourse Names.jpg (first cell in the last row of the table). Then must upload the corrected version themselves, using the [//commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Map_Origin_of_Transylvanian_Watercourse_Names.jpg&wpForReUpload=1 Upload a new version of this file] link found immediately below that table. Finally, revert [//commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Map_Origin_of_Transylvanian_Watercourse_Names.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=326105320 this edit].
 * We also have the issue of Paid editing to consider, see also c:Commons:Guidance for paid editors. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 23:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've seen enough here and on c:User talk:Jeff G.. I undid those changes. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. I agree that the issue of undisclosed paid editing in violation of Terms of use remains.  — Jeff G. ツ 02:11, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've reverted to the version that András originally uploaded. The Nyárád river is now the wrong colour, but I don't suppose anyone will notice. Maproom (talk) 07:36, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * One more comment. I have stated above that the person who commissioned András to create the map was a Wikipedia editor. This was a misunderstanding on my part. I know nothing about the person, and have no reason to believe they have a Wikipedia account. Maproom (talk) 09:45, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

paul Jessup
hi - where is this claim that it is not the subject can you give me a link to that? thanks - It clearly looks exactly like him https://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/news/16043343.director-disqualified-for-filing-false-tax-returns/ - - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Paul_Jessup_Artist.png. Govindaharihari (talk) 21:54, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , it does, I agree. But here is the claim: Help_desk. Maproom (talk) 23:38, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There is nothing there that would move me to remove the photo as you did, the article is now currently at afd and of limited note so let's see what happens.Thanks for providing that link as requested, regards. Govindaharihari (talk) 23:49, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Again I agree. I hadn't looked at the Stroud News article, I just accepted the word of the OP at the Help Desk. I can find no evidence for the existence of "a TV actor named Ben Nathan Jones"; Google doesn't find him, and IMDB doesn't list him. I wonder if providing misinformation about the picture was part of an attempt to get the article deleted. I'll restore the picture, and let the AfD run its course. Maproom (talk) 00:20, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

YOU'VE BEEN REWARDED
= December =

Category
A category we're in has been nominated for deletion.

Please add your thoughts to the discussion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_December_7#Category:Wikipedians_who_wish_Jytdog_would_come_back

Thanks, Benjamin (talk) 01:16, 8 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you,, for the notification. But I shan't be !voting – I feel that, as a member of the category, I have a CoI. Maproom (talk) 07:36, 8 December 2018 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, I don't think it would be inappropriate for you to contribute to the discussion. Assuming you think the category should exist, you ought to say why you think so. Benjamin (talk) 10:22, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

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