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McCarthy-Cremeen Family History
Monday, April 23, 2012 Mcarthys in disguise Whereas many have gained the McCarthy surname by the aforementioned means, others have lost it through the use of agnomens to distinguish one McCarthy family from another and which subsquently supplanted the McCarthy name altogether. These agnomens could typically indicate a physical characteristic or disability in the founder, a location in which the family lived or a mother’s maiden name, and some could clearly lend themselves to other original surnames in different locations. And since the written form of names would vary according to the whim of the writer, interpreting the spoken word, further variations occurred as families migrated to parts of the world initially unfamiliar with Irish names. Thus a West Cork McCarthy family - known to the undersigned - which took Cremane as an agnomen in due course became the Creamer family following migration to London, with no hint any longer of its McCarthy origins. Similarly some nineteenth century baptism and marriage records refer, for example, to the surnames Farshing and Crimeen, but it is often clear from research that these are McCarthys.References can be provived 1. Annals of the Four Masters (Micheál O’Cléirigh and others, 1632-36). Ballireree1 ( 7) Jeremiah Conolly ( 8) Denis Conolly ( 9) John McCarthy Cremeen2 ( 10) Denis McCarthy Cremeen2 ( 11) Patrick Donovan Reigh3 ( 12) Denis Donovan Reigh3 ( 13) John and Timothy Coghlin ( 14) Patrick Sullivan Bogue4 Footnotes 1 - Ballyriree 2 - Cremeen, Crimeen, Creemeen are a branch of McCarthy Tuesday, March 27, 2012DNA testing y-male genetic tracer ccoming very soon! Posted by defendyourself direct from Ireland

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Dear Richard,

According to EdwardMacLysaght’s More Irish Families (1960),p. 72, the name Cremin (Ó Cruimín in Irish) is exclusively a west Munstersurname; almost all of the families so called are resident in counties Kerryand Cork, though in the 1659 census they were more numerous in the countyLimerick barony of Connelloe. The tradition is that they are a branch of theMacCarthys, and in the Bantry district Matheson the name Cremin is interchangeablewith MacCarthy.

There are fewsources for genealogical research in Corkin the 1600s. These include: 1500-1650, ThePipe Rolls of Cloyne, Journal of the Cork Historical andArchaeological Society, 1918, NLI Ir 794105 c 1 1641, The Bookof Survey and Distribution, NLI MS 966-7 1641, Survey ofhouses in Corkcity, listing tenants and possessions, National Archives of Ireland, Quit RentOffice Papers 1654, CivilSurvey, Vol, VI, NLI Ir 9141 C 12 1659, Pender’sCensus. IMS. NLI Ir 94106 c 27 1662-1667,Subsidy Rolls, extracts for Condons and Clangibbons baronies, National Archivesof Ireland, M. 4968 and M. 2636.

If you areunable to consult these sources yourself I would advise you to hire a privateresearcher who will be able to undertake this research for you, see http://www.nli.ie/en/commission-research.aspx.

Best wishes,

Ciara Kerrigan

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O'CREMIN FAMILY Sons of the bent or crooked Cremeen is found in West Munster,Cork County,Ireland and also with in the Carbary area and the Bantry of Cork.It is an extermely rare and unique name of ancient gaelic descent, used as one of the aCcyrnoms of the McCarthy's used as an additional sir name. It is known fact that, it is interchangeable with McCarthy. McCarthy Glas NO1 and McCarthy Reagh NO2 are to which McCarthy-cremeen branch stems. The spelling is various but in all from same bloodlines and are the same family. From the line of Herber, Cremeen's is of the Eoghanacht Chasil of Eoghan. Eoghan was the son of Oilill Olunm,and thru the ages held kingships and ruled over Ireland for more than One Hundred and fifty years. My Name is Richard Cremeans (Riceard O'Crumin) I have researched the McCarthy-Cremeen Branch for every bit of a ten to fifteen year span and I want to share as much as I can of the history both known and of the unknown of our family. I will be as accurate as the information that I have found. From August 2011, where a McCarthy sept name or other agnomen is known, this will be shown in brackets at the beginning of the "Paternal Ancestor Name" field. These agnomens may be the original sept names (e.g Mór, Reagh, [of] Dunhallow, [of] Muskerry), as used from about the fourteenth century, or subsequent sub-sept or other supplementary names used to distinguish different McCarthy families (e.g. Crimeen, Cruig, Daunt, Fars(h)ing (Fairsinn), Guidagh, [of] Lyradane, Na Mona, Norsa, Sowney (Samhna), Rabagh). The original sept names should only be indicated where there is a sound paper trail or strong oral tradition in the family. It is recognised that some of these agnomens may have arisen independently in different families: however it is hoped that their reliable identification will enable us to establish modal haplotypes associated with each which will then greatly facilitate the study of both our distant and more recent history.