User:Merbabu/Archive22

A find
Wonogiri Regency - tired of blue and grey links, really aching for non notable red links - then we have the art for you SatuSuro 04:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

As for the rupiah art - theres gotta be a massive copyvio somewhere in there? SatuSuro 07:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your correction plus "sindiran" about "reverence"
Yeah, I admit it, sometimes I make mistakes in english, especially often mixed between f and v, soo I understand, I need to study my english better. Btw, wikipedia is where everybody can contribute, if there's some mistakes, other contributors can edit and make things better, right..? Can you do it more nicely without humiliating or patronizing other contributors? Oh yeah, I want to congratulate you for suceed to become one of my least favourite person here in wikipedia.

I promise to tried harder not to make some foolish english grammar mistakes again in the future, so I don't have to deal with, or being humiliated by a person like you. Looking forward to -not- hearing from you, cheers...

Btw, good luck on editing, erasing or undo any unreferenced common knowledge. I'm sure you'll have tons of something like that lurking in wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunkarta (talk • contribs) 09:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Origin myth
Hi, I was just a bit curious about this edit. I don't think I understand the difference here. If there really is a difference, then maybe there shouldn't be a wikilink at all (since origin myth is a redirect). Thanks for clarifying, Ben (talk) 11:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC).

I'm sorry that I reply your message by now. You sent me message roughly a year ago concerning Wali Songo article. I think I haven't edited wikipedia articles ever since or I just don't know that I got message, that's why I didn't read your message. Sorry that my editings didn't provide citations - which I have corrected by now.

My reference is a book by Slamet Muljana - 'Runtuhnya Kerajaan Hindu-Jawa dan timbulnya negara2 islam di nusantara'. Im not fanatical about his thesis on Wali Songo being Chinese descents(there's no absolute truth in history anyway), but I just wanna present other perspective about things. Because there's possibility that such thesis is being rejected by the government or standard history books just because New Order's negative sentiment toward the Chinese descents.

Anyway, Im still a newcomer/amateur in this wikipedia stuffs coz Im not quite active and I still dont understand its rules norms etc - so pardon me if I still make mistakes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoko santoso (talk • contribs) 14:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Jakarta
Agreed about the 2% figure. Talking of silly data, Kompas newspaper once printed that the density of cars in Jakarta was 3.2 per square meter, presumably because they assumed that a square kilometer is 1000 square meters! Davidelit (talk) 13:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Doh
Just realised you have a holiday the day petrol prices go up, we are officialy normal over here - but if you read the stories about our power sources - hahah - SatuSuro 02:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Jakarta International School
Why did you remove the citation from the New York Times regarding the number of nationalities at the school? Also, per WikiProject_Schools/Alumni: "if an alumnus has their own article in mainspace, then it is not necessary for their notability to be referenced, as long as it is done on their actual page." --Jh12 (talk) 03:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Merbabu
You should wait for others to write an article about subjects in which you are personally involved. This applies to articles about you, your achievements, your band, your business, your publications, your website, your relatives, and any other possible conflict of interest.

Creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you create such an article, it might be listed on articles for deletion. Deletion is not certain, but many feel strongly that you should not start articles about yourself. This is because independent creation encourages independent validation of both significance and verifiability. All edits to articles must conform to No original research, Neutral point of view, and Verifiability.

If you are not "notable" under Wikipedia guidelines, creating an article about yourself may violate the policy that Wikipedia is not a personal webspace provider and would thus qualify for speedy deletion. If your achievements, etc., are verifiable and genuinely notable, and thus suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later. (See Wikipedians with articles.)

Don't think I don't know about you, either. This is in reference to edits seen in this history: Now please  leave the article to others who are much better placed to select more neutral images of you because it appears you are simply trying to select the most impressive mountain-like image rather than looking like a mole hill... Sarah 14:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok
Lets find an article about the biblical sarah and do her as well :) SatuSuro 23:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Mosman wharf photos
Hi Merbabu- did you ever manage to get the Mosman/Cremorne wharf photos? I sent you the reminder but never heard back. JRG (talk) 02:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahem... JRG (talk) 14:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ah - no. I forgot. But I have thought of a unique location to take Mosman wharf. Won't be before this weekend though. --Merbabu (talk) 14:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Any update on this yet? Apologies if you have already taken them and put them somewhere. JRG (talk) 02:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

U2
Hi

You recently reverted an edit by myself on the U2 article page, stating that the splitting up of the sections resulted in them having similar content and that the article did not have to be listed by album? Whilst I agree that the latter is true, I do not agree content is similar and in addition think that for an article about such an influential and iconic band, 8 years is too a long time for one section to handle. I think it deserves to be split up. Shall we discuss this on the discussion page? Many thanks,  δ ² ( Talk ) 03:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Vickerizing and Golkar
CC: Satu. Ya, guilty as charged: here in Jawa with a Vickers. The other stuff I brought is a good deal more esoteric, though I'll add some of it to WP where it works. True that Vickers is a Bali expert, but he's written a decent overview of the last 100 years. I don't see a problem with Vickers. I have my moments with him (I could cite a couple of horrid claims), but overall he's fine, particularly for WP. (And half of the historical pieces are nothing but long paraphrases of Ricklefs. Talk about issues!) Heck, the Indo WP pages are littered with the Lonely Planet guidebook! I may be in the ivory tower, but I gotta go with V. over the LP, unless I'm heading off for some R&R.

Anyway, the larger point is that I helped to revitalize the Golkar piece (which was a mess) and added only a couple of Vickers' comments about premanism. That's essential material: to omit the thuggery, ballot-box stuffing, bribery, and paternalism would be to completely misconstrue Golkar. In addition to the who/what/when/wheres of Golkar, WP must discuss its corruption and violence.

Again, perhaps I reveal my ivory-towered perspective here, but I've never read a work of scholarship which contradicts Vickers' assertions about Golkar's anti-democratic behavior. Hefner, Anderson, Stoler, Pemberton, Barker, Mrazek, Tsing, Rutherford... all the big guns corroborate. Vickers doesn't have a kind word for Golkar in the entire book: I don't think he'd mind one bit to see himself quoted as I've done. (Indeed, it would be easy to add a lot more nasty bits on Golkar from Vickers.)

Again, the bigger picture here is the large improvement of the Golkar page. One can quibble with the outcome, quotes, etc... But it's a marked change for the better. And such edits often spur others to join in the fun, with citations and additions of their own. There's still a lot of work to be done on old Golkar.Smilo Don (talk) 07:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Onesource tag
Bah not one quote from geertz himself. todays catch of cats http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Javanese_Malaysian&action=edit SatuSuro 01:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Ready for a skim?
Is it ok to wander through it yet? SatuSuro 11:40, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you PKI? --Merbabu (talk) 11:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Gawd what does that mean? SatuSuro 11:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Morbid joke in context of my current contribs. Black humour. No meaning. --Merbabu (talk) 11:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There is probably a genocide project somewhere that you could link to :( SatuSuro 11:54, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Got it - check this closely http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Genocide if you want :( SatuSuro 11:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm
Ill have to have a close look - disa greeing with bits already :) SatuSuro 14:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian killings of 1965-66
Hi from England! I am closely involved with the Did You Know? section of the main page—in particular, finding and submitting interesting facts from other editors' new articles. I have suggested one from your Indonesian killings of 1965-66 article, which I believe meets the DYK? criteria in being new in mainspace, long enough, appropriately cited, factually accurate and neutral. In view of the sensitive subject matter, my unfamiliarity with the topic and the need to create an accurate, neutral factual statement of 200 characters or less, would you mind checking my suggested "hook" here, to ensure I haven't misrepresented anything? All being well, if it is accepted, it should appear on the Main Page in a few days from now, resulting in increased exposure for the article. Thanks. PS. As an avid photographer of churches (and writer of articles about them), I must say how much I like the pic of the church at Levuka! Hassocks 5489 (tickets please!)  21:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. About once a day, a bot scans the list of newly submitted articles and produces a data dump (like this) of links to articles which, according to its parameters, may be suitable for use on DYK?.  Users can then go in and scan through these, looking for articles which are viable (not all are; many lack suitable referencing, for example) and which could contain an interesting "hook".  Whenever I have a spare half-hour or so in my lunchbreak at work, before going to bed etc., I go in and ferret around, seeing what I can find.  At lunchtime I'll have a look at the others you mentioned and see what I can do.   Hassocks  5489 (tickets please!)  07:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Nicely done article. Spose in another 20 years we'll get David Hicks looking that good? SmithBlue (talk) 15:21, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Just dropped in to say thanks and hello: --Bhadani (talk) 15:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

In case you're wondering...
I'm still working on the articles I said I was gonna post about each of Suharto's term as President and the policies that was decided during his time as President. I planned on posting them all at the same time and actually got up to the 1983-1988 term 2 months ago before my laptop died out on me and I'm back at square one. Got demoralized and only started working on the 1968-1973 term 2 weeks ago. Now the Bappenas site (where I get loads of my info from) is down under maintenance.

Oh well, alon alon asal kelakon, Mas.Jakman (talk) 07:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I am in no way trying to offend you by deleteing your contribution to the page. I myself wanted to make a contribution and update the site a little. Hope you don't mind. Thanks for your understanding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.106.208 (talk) 10:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Indeed well done - and knowing the background - heheh to the above comment SatuSuro 23:51, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

doh
Could you please get on chat SatuSuro 05:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

MacPhisto link
Thanks for providing the reference for the Michael sentence I placed - I was having trouble finding a source for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashleyriot uk (talk • contribs) 08:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

indonesia
Hi,

Thanks for your comments. I don't have electronic access to the SMH reports, though they should be available upon request from their website (probably for a fee).

All the best for your work improving the site's coverage of Indonesia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Niallcooper (talk • contribs) 20:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Huh?
SatuSuro 09:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC) Viz - Articles for deletion/Bahasa and my two comments and the general reception - what a losing battle :( SatuSuro 12:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Go on you should put something there :) SatuSuro 13:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wah - bilang apa? Dari sudut emosi saya mau "keep", dari sudut kepala, kayaknya harus delete. Simpannya menurut persyratan yg mana? Merge mungkin bisa => Bahasa language? --Merbabu (talk) 13:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Semua gila - tetapi kita harus mebuat artikel baru - tentang kepala atau kakak - bah - telinga bisa detik detik SatuSuro 10:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

GA-nom for U2 3D
I finally nominated U2 3D for GA-status and I'm waiting for it to be reviewed. The article isn't 100% finished, but all the sections I planned to create are already there, and the only things left are to expand the existing sections (see Talk:U2 3D/to do). The GA review hasn't been started yet, and it has to be done by someone who was not a "significant contributor" to the article, so if could start the review by clicking the link located on Talk:U2 3D, I'd appreciate it. Also, if there's anything U2 or non-U2 related that would you like some help with, feel free to let me know on my talk page. – Dream out loud (talk) 17:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Independent Indonesia
Nothing's wrong with it - that's my point. Nothing wrong with the oroginal name of Post-Suharto Indonesia. Sorry this is only a brief reply - I'm busy getting ready to propose changing Afternoon to Post-morning period. Davidelit (talk) 04:13, 27 June 2008 (UTC) Of course not - it all makes sense - we might try the place where they have over 2,000 islands between Antartica and Mongolia (the last time we looked anyway) and knowing the love of lists and acronyms - TPWTHOTTIBAM - it has a certain ring or should it be bam to it SatuSuro 14:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Apologies
Hey, I'm really sorry about that. I have no idea how it happened, but it was obviously a mistake. I was on the page earlier this morning removing that slab of plagiarised text but I didn't intentionally delete the page and I don't see how I could have done it by accident. I'm just going to blame it on the people who kept me up all night with requests. *cough*Merbabu*cough* Sarah 03:12, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Kecak
You interested in blending blatant irrelevencies? SatuSuro 10:00, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

message
I'm sending this to all the wikiproject:mammals participants. There's a naming guideline up for discussion on the talk page, and the more people get involved the more valid any consensus drawn. Ironholds 19:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Sydney
Thats the word I couldn't think of yesterday (I didn't want to use building but it's better then erection). Structure sounds better then Erection and Building. Bidgee (talk) 03:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Kretek
Maybe needs a read by another, the edit prior revert seemed odd - watcha think? SatuSuro 10:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC) Never did hear from you re the kretek- another of the same :( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mak_Erot SatuSuro 02:46, 12 July 2008 (UTC) Belum lihat mak erot? SatuSuro 09:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Coruscant
Good question - I'm not sure how it could be expanded at this stage. I'll have a look for some sources and further material this afternoon. --Allemandtando (talk) 09:04, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Kutai
I have finally ventured to write an article for an item of my borneo timeline. Just when I thought it was enough for today I made a search on other wikis and to my surprise I found fr:Royaume de Kutai, id:Kerajaan Kutai, ms:Kerajaan Kutai and ja:クタイ王国. Oh well I'll leave trying to find out what they're saying for some other time and just stole the pics. I left out the kings lists because I'm not sure what the early list beyond the three kings mentioned on the pillars is based upon and with the late list, I dont think it reflects the civil war episode correctly. Would be great if you could have a look at that or point some other expert at it. I know none. I'm not so sure simply naming the article "Kutai" is that good. Looking at the others "Kingdom of Kutai" might have been better. Comments? I did modify some links I found to point to the new article, I may have missed many more. Please have a look at other places you can think of. Finaly the Indonesien version has a nice map of the Kutai region maybe this could be put into commons? It might need to be updated though for use in english, french or whatever. Is there someone doing indonesien history maps? Oh yeah, I'm not sure in which categories this has to go, could you have a look at that? Thanx in advance. --T.woelk (talk) 00:33, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Template strife
Are you any good at templates? I can't seem to make the website bit of the Template:Infobox Indonesian Political Party appear. I am in the middle of trying to sort out the pages on Indonesian political parties, but I'm stuck. And now I've got to go to bed. Any help greatly appreciated as I want to make this template more 'Indonesian', but am banging my head against a brick wall. Medium term plan is to add other elements (DPR seats etc etc) and then replace the generic template at Golkar and use the new one for all the Indonesian parties. By the way, any idea of the copyright position on party logos? Regards Davidelit (talk) 15:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Howard Government is new ACOTF
Hi. You voted for Howard Government as an Australian collaboration. It has been selected, so please help to improve it in any way you can. Thanks Matilda talk 01:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

removal of date-autoformatting
Thanks for your supportive words, Merbabu. As I've said on that person's talk page, if it weren't so popular a move, that opinion might have traction. But the clincher is that I typically post a note on the talk page beforehand inviting objections if there are any. See the talk page of Australia, for example. At MOSNUM talk, where the address of the script has been linked by someone else, I've advised caution and sensitivity in the use of the script. After a trial of a hundred or more of those prior postings and subsequent applications of the script, we'll reconsider the issue.

I'm very happy for more people to be applying the script in this ask-first way. Please let me know if you wish to participate. I'm systemically going through certain categories of FA at the moment, although it's mostly a case of waiting sufficient time after posting the prior notice at this stage. Tony  (talk)  13:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Howard Government is new ACOTF
Hi. You voted for Howard Government for Australian Collaboration of the fortnight. It was selected on Sunday, so please help to improve it if you can. Thanks for your support. --Scott Davis Talk 13:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

sigh
Indian cultural imperialism is rampant this am - what nxt? we have had the mongolians and indians - maybe the astragoths next? SatuSuro 03:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Kalau bisa - lebih hormat - indian influences do exist seluruh di archipelago - dan semua tempat ada campur javanese genius daripada  indian influence untuk synth degan hal hal dari di luar - saya tak bisa lihat prambanan kebudayaan jawa sendirian SatuSuro 06:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Gawd - wot a project how come we got involved - geniuses from ufos from unknown region fly through and redesign the universe - blah SatuSuro 07:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

U2 Article
Somebody replaced the Word "Bono" with the word "Sibbo" everywhere in the article, redirecting all the links to some Scandanavian town. I changed the errors at the very top, but just decided to report the rest to you because it would have taken a while to fix and I figured there was an easier way to do it. Just letting you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.11.217.236 (talk) 18:05, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

A notice
Hi, due to your passing remarks on User_talk:Dave1185 recently, u have been maliciously accused to be involved in a collaborative 'witch-hunt' on another editor. Out of fairness, I'm informing u on this case, as I find it was an irresponsible & 'ungentlemently' act to accuse someone without notifying him of such act, or given a right to comment. See the full details here. -- Aldwinteo (talk) 02:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I have been advised offline that a WP:WW is something best to move on from lest one get caught up unnecessarily - they will all get the just deserts one way or other - sabar, sabar SatuSuro 02:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Nevertheless, be on the lookout in future. Plainly for all to see now, whether citing on the pretext of 'cultural differences', 'ignorance' or lying low in some god-forsaken places now, it pays to be sincere & humble in one's words or actions, as truth & justice will prevail one day. Besides, you never know u are being watched & who these people u are dealing with next. Selamat jalan. -- Aldwinteo (talk) 23:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Mongol invasion of Java
Interesting new item on talk page - I am prepared to add the Indonesian project now fter the biblio got added SatuSuro 02:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

gawd out of the blue - have done a javanese culture cat today - and the javanese dance stuff is about zilch - tryng to cope with a daily update of my tagging as well - at least i get some sense of what i am doing :( SatuSuro 02:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Bali Tiger
Youre welcome. Most of my adds are based on me studying about this tiger subspecies here in Bali, first hand. Most of other info comes from the European writtings during the Dutch colonial era and museum specimens. I will add more, there is only one problem about getting citations in this case, there is absolutely no living or known authority in Bali tiger and very little material, which leaves my own personal study to be perceived as irrelevant speculations and be erased by a disregarding someone that has a finger ona trigger but little clue about the subject. But thats the beauty and the curse of Wikipedia, a voice for all... —Preceding unsigned comment added by LeonisRugitur (talk • contribs) 05:41, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Rock music WikiProject
I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Rock music WikiProject. There's alot of Rock-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few Rock music pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 19:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Bagaimana
You keep popping up at odd places? SatuSuro 06:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Old Jakarta Map
Merbabu,

Geoff Thompson here from the ABC in Jakarta. I am a currently working on a profile of the city. I see that you contributed that old map of Batavia to the Jakarta wikipedia page. Do you happen to know where the original is or where I might locate a copy with better resolution?

Thanks very much, geoff t —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.81.149.110 (talk) 00:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi there, Geoff. I think I might have met you in Suva in 2000. Hmmm - i don't remember uploading that image but the page tells me I did! I *suspect* I got it from a Periplus guide to Indonesia. Amazon link. I could check later today at home and see if I can get a higher res scan. Stay tuned.
 * As for that page in general, it's not quite up to scratch is it? I remember kicking myself for not improving Suharto's page before his death - the page hits went through the roof when he died, no doubt a few journo's were getting their background from that dodgy page! But, it's slowly getting better. regards --Merbabu (talk) 01:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Geoff, Merbabu, the best website I've seen for old Dutch maps of Indonesia is http://www.nationaalarchief.nl/amh/ . The have 807 images listed for Batavia, including quite a few different variations of the map you are referring to (eg., , ). Furthermore, they list details of where the original documents are located. I saw reproductions of these maps when I visited the Museum Bahari at Sunda Kelapa a few weeks ago, perhaps they could point you to some local copies? (Caniago (talk) 07:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC))

Just clicked as per invitation
Well I have responded to Surturz's invitation, noted his "constructive rebuke" but registered that there was not necessarily widespread support for the move. We shall see how that is taken. Regards --Matilda talk 04:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Phew - I suppose leave it for 24 hours to settle but do you think it safe to archive then, closing off the RfC? A number of dead bodies by the wayside :-( --Matilda talk 06:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Mahathir - much better expressed! --Matilda talk 00:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks (and thanks for reinstating the rest of my comment - much more appropriate). hmmm - i actually can't see what was so wrong about the comment. Bizarre. But, i do (at least try) to pick my fights carefully so I will let it go. Would love to say more, but, well, you know....   kind regards --Merbabu (talk) 00:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The Indian/Pakistani perspective is interesting and made me pause - we just go and call our neighbour "recalcitrant" but at least neither we (nor they) have nuclear weapons! --Matilda talk 00:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * very funny - and brave in the current environment. --Merbabu (talk) 00:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure hope
We havent lost you to the dead head - knock head on brick wall - gang of australian politics destitute editors - there is a whole indonesian project waiting for your bombast and tact :) SatuSuro 06:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you – nice to know I’m needed. Indeed, "tact" and "bombast" are the two most essential ingredients for a good editor. As to when - ya, kapan2! --Merbabu (talk) 01:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Kapan kapan - tak apa apa - sampai itu - saya tahu bagaimana - take your time - youll be welcome back whenever it is SatuSuro 02:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I am checking most of the indo stuff in my watchlist, even if I'm not doing much in the way of actual edits. --Merbabu (talk) 03:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Query

 * Sorry, not intending to have a go at you. I was more interested in working out whether there is a difference of opinion, and if there is, to see what can be done to sort it out. I'll discuss it privately with you sometime in the near future. -- Lester  06:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Difference of opinion" on wikipedia? What? I've never heard of such rubbish. ;-) (I'm slow on e-mail of late, so don't take any tardy response personally) --Merbabu (talk) 07:09, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Hi Merbabu, sorry for the late reply to your message. Thanks for the welcome back. I must admit I have ulterior motives though, trying to get U2 up on the main page for September 25th. Wish the article luck!!! Also, trying to keep the page stable as there seem to be a lot of folks trying to add speculation, etc. I guess we can expect more of this over the next couple of months to years as the new album comes out!!! Bon chance to both of us! Wikipedia brown (talk) 17:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Your infinite wisdom
And tact is needed in cleaning up the Provinces of Indonesia stub - it is trying for behemoth of the project - I am sure you will be careful with your edit there :) SatuSuro 09:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

U2 nomination for WP:TFA
I think that we should nominate U2 to be featured as today's featured article on September 25 (the day the band was created). I would have done it myself, but if you nominated it, you would get an extra point towards becoming featured since you obviously contributed quite significantly. Looks like it can get a total of at least 3 points - date relevant to topic, notable topic, and requester is a significant contributor. Nominations can be made at WP:TFAR. Let me know what you think. – Dream out loud (talk) 03:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Heading formats - please help if you can...
Hey JBar. I’ve noticed in a few Sydney suburb articles the heading format is not quite correct. Ie, all words to be lower case except for the heading’s first word and any proper nouns. Eg, we don’t write “ ==Commercial Area== ” but “==Commercial area==”. I note you seem to be the one who “gets around” the WP suburb articles the most so in your travels, please look out for any inconsistencies if you can. Cheers --Merbabu (talk) 21:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do. I must admit I'm guilty of often creating the headings in the wrong format myself. I think the wikipedia format is incorrect but my slip ups are not intentional. I'm correcting the headings to wikipedia standard when I notice it.


 * I'm involved in documentation and writing in my career and the standard has always been for 'Titles and Headings' to use capitals throughout, so that's why I slip up on wikipedia. I'll fix up what I can. Cheers. J Bar (talk) 23:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Timor Gap Treaty
Hi, there is a full text of the treaty at the Australian Treaty Service website. I wanted to put the whole text on the page but have been told that original text should be put in Wikisource rather than Wikipedia. I have not had the time to give a summary for Wikipedia.Slleong (talk) 09:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

4 Sept
I probably need to get this book. Is it commonly available? Expensive? --Merbabu (talk) 23:38, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It should still be in the bookshops. One of the other editors told me there was an update edition out too. I remember seeing it a couple of years back at Dymocks in the city, which has a very big section on books about Sydney. J Bar (talk) 02:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Chatty for Chatswood
Chatty is an often used colloquial term for Chatswood. I've often heard it used by workmates who live around there or have worked there. You will find many examples of its use in many forums. Just google Chatswood and Chatty and you'll find quite a few uses. However, if you insist on having an official document as a reference, I will keep searching until I find an official document where it has been used, when I get more time. A colloquialism may not be used by your circle but it doesn't mean it's not in common use by others. Cheers. J Bar (talk) 06:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Very very simple - when making contributons to wikipedia - we have WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:N - as guidelines the above anecdotal item is simply a no goer - nothing to do with circles - this is an online encylopedia not a blog site SatuSuro 07:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree with Satu Suro. Even if it does exist and in addition to the fundamental policies you list, your edit summary describes well the inclusion of "chatty". --Merbabu (talk) 06:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Not in "my circles"? lol :-). Well, my circles are fairly broad, quite Sydney-centric at least on a daily basis, and have spanned some years. I have never come across it. My google search - “Chatswood Chatty” - didn’t pick up anything but a few apparent forums. Sorry.


 * A good rule of thumb on notability that I’ve read a few times (I’ll find it one time), is that if it can’t be referenced to reliable sources, then it quite likely isn’t notable. I'm glad you're not suggesting forums are reliable or a sign notability to wikipedia. Further, the corollary of it not being in “my circle” is that it might indeed be in other circles, but are these circles representative (teens on a forum isn't) and is it (a) notable for the article and (b) notable enough for the lead?


 * Cheers--Merbabu (talk) 06:42, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It is not a colloqualism exclusively used by 'teens on a forum'. I was simply using that an example to you of its widespread use. I believe colloqualisms are notable enough for articles; they are used extensively throughout wikipedia. Perhaps this information shouldn't be in the lead paragraph but I am open to suggestions. If you have a better way to present this information, then I'm all ears. J Bar (talk) 12:59, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Your help is required
gmail now SatuSuro 07:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Featured Articles
Okay, thanks. Reindra (talk) 03:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Spit Junction
You removed photos from the Spit Junction article and state in the comments that they were not in Spit Junction but in fact Mosman Junction. Do you have any references to such a locality? If so, why isn't it included in the Mosman article or Masman council's info on the area? I've never seen any mention of it in any of the reference material. The Book of Sydney suburs has a separate section on Spit Junction and states:
 * E. and W.E. Brady bought 9 acres (36,000 m2) in this area in 1855 and it became a bush racetrack until the area was subdivided in 1902. The area had been known as Trafalgar Square, from the name of a block of shops built at the corner of Spit Road and Military Road.

Spit Junction is the junction formed by Spit Road and Military Road. Is it not? Although the borders of the locality are not clearly defined, those photos are of buildings close to this intersection and as such would be within the locality. J Bar (talk) 07:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I said *one* was Mosman Junction - that this is not a gazetted location doesn't mean it's not a completely different location (for your reference, it is the corner of Military and Raglan Sts). And the other two are in between the 2 "locations". But Mosman Jtn is not the issue, the issue is of the relevance of photos and that wikipedia is not a site for people to post their photos with little established relevance to the article. Apart from their notability/relevance, merely assuming they are in Spit Junction is not appropriate either. --Merbabu (talk) 22:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So the real issue is that you object to the photos again. Understood. J Bar (talk) 03:29, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, well technically “I object to the photos” could indeed be a way one to paraphrase the edit summary I provided on the page, although I didn’t express it that way and provided explanation. What do you mean “the real issue”? There's no hidden "issue". I explained my actions twice already: I removed the pics as they are inappropriate where they were - I can live with others describing this as "objecting". --Merbabu (talk) 03:38, 9 September 2008 (UTC)--Merbabu (talk) 03:38, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Spice or no spice
Changed mind on the issue - interested what you think in response - cheers SatuSuro 08:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

U2
I noticed you combined the two references --for the 140 million records sales claim-- into one footnote. Would you object to separating them back into two, individual references? It would make this claim seem more plausible and also allow both references to be used individually in the future. What do you think? Ł ittle Ä lien¹8² (talk\contribs) 19:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, that sounds good to me. I was just wondering if you had a specific reason for combining the two references.  For future use, how do you use the two individual references later in the article?  Do you have to use them separately, so that they appear as a new reference in the ref-list?  Or is there a way to re-use the combined reference?    Ł ittle Ä lien¹8² (talk\contribs) 02:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Paralell universe
Transhumanist has already attempted to justify the parallel list as it is claimed to be on a par with other articles for other countries - personally - I honestly think it is an unnecessary duplication of the exisiting list - but hey some things are bigger than the ghost like indonesian project - so a bit like an editor the other year who spent his time inside his talk page and never emerged - well as long as this list doesnt actually interfere with the project well hey if it does no harm its ok - but really in the end - it is of little use to the project per se as it contains titles for red links i dont think will ever be created in the Indonesia project - cheers SatuSuro 09:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

History of Indonesia
Hi, I noticed you are rewriting this article. I did a quick ctrl + f search on the article. I was searching for "lombok". I guess you know about the Dutch commander also known as "de Turk"? If not, in 1894 Lombok asked the Dutch for assistence for they had a conflict with Bali. In 1891 the Lombok muslims had risen up against the Balinese Hindus, the Balinese were trying to suppress the revolt, hence the request for assistence by the Lombok muslims. Untill 1894 that assistence was not given, but when a new governor-general came to power he sent the KNIL and started negotiations with the Balinese. The KNIL spread its forces across Lombok, but were attacked by the Balinese. 97 KNIL soldiers were KIA. Public opinions in the Netherlands changed and the people called for action. In a few weeks most of the Balinese on Lombok were killed (ca. 2000) and their homes were shot to rubble. In the Netherlands the soldiers were "heroes (of Lombok)". These events changed Dutch policy, it became imperialistic. This takes me to the second thing I wondered about, I also searched for "sulawesi" (in Dutch often still referred to as "celebes") and found only 2 mentions. My question was if you were planning to add methods and excesses of the 1947 incidents on the islands, including Sulawesi (of the Sulawesi incident appeared an eye-witnessreport in the weekly "Vrij Nederland"). In 1947-1948 during the politional actions, the Dutch commander Raymond Westerling also known as "de Turk", had a particular method on tracking and eliminating nationalist terrorists: he lined up every citizen of a kampong and made them point out the terrorists in their kampong. Of course, if they refused they were executed anyway. On Sulawesi alone were 3144 Indonesians killed. With these numbers, the contraterror methods of the KNIL were on Sulawesi the worst of all the islands. One can say that the politional actions had a less drastic impact on the final outcome, since the Netherlands had practically lost Indonesia already (because of the US) than the Lombok events had. Both events are worth mention, in the present article there is not 1 word about it. I was hoping you would include them. Mallerd (talk) 16:38, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Larry Mullen, Jr. — Lawrence or Laurence?
Hello. I have added a sentence to the discussion of whether Larry Mullen's first name should be spelt Lawrence or Laurence. I think it should be changed to Laurence and I have provided two more references, but I wanted to check with you to see if there was a reason for it remaining Lawrence. Thanks, Labalius (talk) 14:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Money changer
I have revived the article "money changer". It is an ancient trade which originated European banking. I believe it deserve an article. Vapour (talk)

Indosruf
Has been given a spam welcome - also at tourism art - cheers SatuSuro 06:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:Volcanology-stub
I'm removing it because it was incorrectly placed - as per previous consensus on the issue, and per standard practice at WP:WSS, and also as per the note at the top of, volcanology-stub is for articles relating to the science of volcanology - it is not for specific volcanoes or volcanic fields. This is in line with similar stub types for such subjects as glaciology, oceanography, topography, geology, and the like. The lack of edit sum,mary is largely because when you're trying to move 800 stubs as quickly as possible, a blanket explanation - such as the one I placed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Volcanoes, generally serves the same purpose and takes considerably less time. Grutness...wha?  06:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

WP Indonesia noticeboard
The chaotic weirdness at WP Indonesia TV and Radio stations articles needs imho a stop - I am proposing the no IP level access for all the arts in the two categories of Radio and TV in Indonesia - I'd appreciate your reaction at the noticeboard SatuSuro 07:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Photo Request
Hi Merbabu - would you be able to get those wharf photos from Mosman and Neutral Bay at some stage?

Also, I'm retiring from Wikipedia for the moment (due to disruptive editors, see AWNB) but I may be back at some stage to edit geography and rail articles again. Thanks for your good work and your support and particularly for your help with photographs. (I will still be around on Commons). JRG (talk) 06:07, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

re:thanks
hey.... no probs. I got no problem my content being deleted, because as I said, when translating, I don't even know which part to omit. I hated too many details sometimes (as you said, muter2). To be honest, it is mostly direct translation from Indonesian words. Like International golf course, I would think in Indonesia is Golf course with international standard. I don't really know. lol. (seems that my "English" mind works separately with my "Indonesian" mind. I am fine with writing in both languages, but translating to and fro those languages? no way). I am giving you barnstar, not only because of this, but your contributions as well (I gave it along with User:Satu Suro - I hope he/she got a nice holiday). I just find it unbelievable for australian willing to do Indonesian topic. The embarrasing thing is in previous months, I mostly contributed to UK politic topics. so thanks for that.... also, if you can find better picture for that article, you are welcome to delete the picture and replace it with something better (higher in resolution). That picture is actually a hospital where I was born years ago. I took it while the car moving - and the good thing is that a becak is captured in that picture. lol. Kinda embarrased. w_tanoto (talk) 00:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * oh, and other thing, I have requested the license to use photos and logo from magelang government several days ago. we'll just wait and see.w_tanoto (talk) 00:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

re:Article talk page
Yes, I know about it :). I kept watch to articles of young male actors which often vandalised by fangirls. So I know about the removal of such content is fine. You'll get annoyed facing those fangirls. They like saying "He's cute, he's handsome, etc blah blah blah". I kept it under my watch because I know it is going to be vandalised a lot and actually one of them is my favourite actor (along with Meryl Streep - she's a goddess). w_tanoto (talk) 12:24, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Misleading term
Dear Merbabu This is about misleading term "Malay" can fix it in Austronesia page since it is writtern "Other islands with native populations having Malay or mixed Malay ancestry but...." there. Regards ^_^. Ayrenz (talk) 10:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Howard losing seat
Hi Merbabu. Thanks for correcting my double entry. Well spotted. -- Lester  04:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

tanggal pembentukan BKR
Hi Merbabu,

I'm currently trying to translate Indonesian National Revolution into french, I would like to know if you have access to some sources to confirm the of formation of Badan Keamanan Rakyat, I don't have any access to printed sources ,id:BKR and id:Tentara Nasional Indonesia say 22 august 1945, fr:Armée indonésienne says 5th october 1945 but this could be a confusion with the date when BKR became TKR, thanks Serpicozaure (talk) 13:19, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

red links reply
Thank you. I'll make the pages as soon as possible. I want to make the links first and after I finish editing provinces on sumatra island, I'm goin to make the page.Mfa fariz (talk) 14:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Reply
Replying I left a message on the article's talk page and the IP's talk page. Since it's not my home wikipedia, I'm afraid that's as far as I can help :| Bennylin (talk) 08:33, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Howdy Doody
Replied offline. Continuing to work through Indonesian TV stations without compromise. Davidelit (talk) 11:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)