User:Merbabu/Archive6

Comment by User:SarahMdaugherty
hi, i got your message. The problem is that i'm irked that the anglican church made a deal with U@ to play their songs in their church. There are songs, such as RUNNING TO STAND STILL that the anglican's DONT WANT... for good reason, because they're about the suffering of the irish catholics... and bono is half catholic. I am an irish catholic whose family fled the Famine, and then was mocked for being a farmer.

Statement of fact. Sunday Bloody Sunday was about rioting where catholics were killed in ireland. That happens. It's bad. Bono had a catholic mother and went to parochial schools growing up... no one mentions that... he does have some sensitivity toward his mother's kin, and it shows in his songs. I don't even like U@, but they started out political and it was tempered by the usurp of born-agains, at least in the Usa. I've had horrible women say things like: "oh, i didn't know catholics were christian." I know they're ignorant people, but perhaps if it were made clear on a superficially based website such as this, they'd get a clue. Like the starvation in Dafur on the African continent, the irish famine was horrific and unnecessary. Except no one helped or even acknowledged the Irish plight and they died by the thousands. it was also an atrocity, a political indecency in the name of religiosity that was denied for over a century... Only now is it recognised by the british government as a horrific truth... women, children and onve proud men died by the score while the british watched and did nothing. In my post, i quoted Tony Blair, The PM of england, who only NOW is admitting to historic wrong doing. I see posts from quasi christans on the U2 site all the time. why not an accurate historian like myself. I'm not in it for musical idolatry. and bono looks too much like my dad for me to think he's a rock star.--if you know what irish looks like.

anyways, remove it if you want. I don't care. get a clue about the real issues, though.

SarahMdaugherty  er. Sarah Marie Daugherty (a mckown- daugherty- irish catholic.)

smd &quot;ms. fixit.&quot; 09:28, 1 February 2007

(UTC)SarahMdaughertysmd &quot;ms. fixit.&quot; 09:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)ok ,this is rude, but you're being controlling regarding change of "troubles" in the section about SUNDAY BLOODY SUNDAY. IT's a POLITICAL SONG... it's known to be about a fatal bloody riot on a sunday in ireland. Insisting on the euphemism "troubles" to describe what goes on in ireland is inappropriate. it's too delicate, and violence and fatalities in the name of politics is never delicate. To me, the euphemism "troubles" indicates "menstrual cramps." SUNDAY BLOODY SUNDAY isn't about your period, ma'am. it's about political death--research that, please. and i won't bother you or your pop oriented website anymore. (keep in mind that Bono's mommy was irish catholic, and stayed that way... . Maybe the "troubles" in the song are about her period, eh? doubt it.{{Subst:unsigned|SarahMdaugherty]]

Sarwo Edhie Wibowo
Rather than deleting a "large" amount of new content because you don't like it; you could first have the courtesy to specify your concerns in point form on the article's Talk page. I appreciate you may not like the colour of the baby, but that is no reason for you to throw somebody else's baby out with the bath water.58.107.15.245 10:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't say i didn't like it. But I did indeed explain my edit and specifically requested you cite reliable sources before you put it back - on your talk page and my edit summary.Merbabu 11:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes I did read what had the look of a pretext for deleting what you did not like seeing in print. You could try civilized discussion before deletion, that is what the article discussion pages are for.58.107.15.245 13:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Not every edit needs a discussion page entry (although an edit summary would have been nice) - perhaps after several edits back and forth. I'm not sure in what way I wasn't civil. Merbabu 13:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

U2
Sorry I wasn't online yesterday. I'm trying to have a semi-break and haven't been online as much. It looks like the problem is resolved? After looking at the account, I'm quite concerned about the username and bio. This person doesn't write like they have a MFA in writing. I think the account might need to be verified in case it's a student pretending to be their lecturer or something. You've interacted with her a bit, do you have any thoughts on that? Sarah 10:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Merbabu. I'm going to put a username block on the account and she can email me from her work address if she wants to verify she is who she claims to be. I also googled the name and I came up with an English professor of that same name who was teaching at Wichita State Uni in 2000 but I have no idea if this is the same person or not. I share your concern about making things difficult for the real person...I feel it is more likely this actually a disgruntled student or something. Cheers, Sarah 11:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've blocked her. I think "high or out-of-it" is a very apt description. It's hard to imagine a college professor writing like that under her real name on a public website. :/ Sarah 11:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No probs. Have a safe trip and a nice break. :) Sarah 11:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. I was going to delete them if I didn't hear from her but I might go ahead and blank them in the interim. At least that way the information won't show up on a google search of her name and it;s easy enough to revert in the unlikely event she is fair dinkum. Sarah 11:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * 2 Pints its not the full bottle (having looked at the stuff) SatuSuro 02:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to send you an email shortly, Merbabu. I want to call you some choice four letter words which I can't do on-Wiki. Sarah 09:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You don't have email enabled! AHHHHH!!! Beep you!!! Sarah 09:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Heheh
Welcome back, if you need to be reminded...SatuSuro 07:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC) I'll probably send email about a few things in a few secs... SatuSuro 07:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * heheh the email explains part...SatuSuro 07:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * there is another one SatuSuro 06:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

It's good to see you back again, seeing my watchlist becomes alive. :-) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 09:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You might want to step into the fiasco of Jawa Pesisir Lor - at the afd page, and the project talk page - it might need your direct approach to cut through the unnecessary floss that I might have helped create...:( SatuSuro 09:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

deletion Indo Eurasian article
Hi noticed you deleted an upcomming article for a stub. We were actually studying this major contribution wld you mind putting it back? We disagree with the practice of deleting complete articles if they are of significant higher quality then the previous stub version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.94.191.131 (talk • contribs)
 * Replied on talk page of article in question... Talk:Indo (Eurasian). --Merbabu 12:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * yeah maybe what about list of indonesians? i think talk page header should be shoved on most of these and pointed at... SatuSuro 13:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I dont know if you had watched what was going on there at list of indonesians - it wasnt so much questiuon about talk header - i just think any talk page with unsigners, or anything in question it needs to be put in pronto...SatuSuro 13:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Noticing what you are doing have you ever seen Robert Cribbs book with the chronological thingos in it? SatuSuro 14:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah just for checking or discrpeancies i was thinking - mind you poor ole merle seems to have the dominant place in the refs at bottom - what i like is the 'authrority' that comes from some secondary sources - and the questions that some of the good historians have of each others works when it comes to verifying dates from their source materials in the 1570-1680 time bracket -heheh - maybe they need yogya kraton chronograms to stuff up their calculations ( two snakes/joined by a garuda...etc )  - anyways time to disappear i think. cheers SatuSuro 14:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Old request
Dear Merbabu, I am in Indonesia again this month ... I haven't forgotten your request and I have made some pictures ... if you still need the pictures of the BI building in Jakarta. So here they are:

Greetz from Jakarta. Meursault2004 14:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
I was going to give him another message, exactly similar with what you have sent him. :-) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 12:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Islam in Indonesia
Hey buddy, lets remember WP:AGF. That was me reverting an edit from a user account that had barely made any edits, who was deleting things from an article others had put there, without giving a reason. Now, reading the article for the 2002 Bali bombing leads me to conclude that it was religiously influenced terrorism; just as Eric Robert Rudolph's work was. If there was an article on Christianity in the USA, I'd expect it to include a link to christian fundamentalism, or The Army of God, or some such similar activity. Perhaps the article on Islam in Indonesia should have a link to fundamentalist religion in Indonesia, or the Bali Bombings, or something like that. Just my two cents. Cornell Rockey 05:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * See Evangelicalism, Christian_Fundamentalism, Christian right in United States politics, & Christian terrorism. None too flattering of my screwed up country. Cornell Rockey 05:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The AGF was in reference to your edit summary: "re-revert. That's a fair enough deletion. Would you support a link to the KKK on a hypothetical Christianity in USA article?"  I thought I was being accused of implying that Isam and the Bali bombing were obviously connected, my apologies.  As for AGF towards Dumas Subagio, I used a test template, not a vandal warning template, as I wasn't sure whether or not they were up to good/no-good. Believe me, I use the vandal templates all the time, and for this I made an exception since I didn't understand the whole picture.  As a whole, though, I tend to look very critically on folks with very few edits, not using edit summaries who make deletions.
 * As for linking psycho-Eric Rudolph-types to Christianity in the United States, it would make sense, except that article doesn't exist, and I can't begin to think of where I should put it in to an article on religion in the U.S. without unleashing a shitstorm upon my self. The articles on the socio-political culture of the USA are nothing but revision wars, and I plan to stay clear of them.
 * If I knew anything in depth about Indonesia, believe me, I'd add it to wikipedia. but I don't. I am very sorry most Americans are retarded when it comes to the world and can't locate Indonesia on a map, let alone tell you its a Muslim country, but I'm not sure how to change them. Regardless, happy wikipedia-ing.  Cornell Rockey 06:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

From Dilane
The short answer. The number of pages requiring cleanup is kind of exponential over time.As any exponential it must be stopped.

My rules for removing the clean-up tags: a) cleanup tag is 1 year old and no discussion explaining why there is a cleanup tag in the first place.   reasoning: frivolous tag. b) cleanup tag is 1 year old and discussion, but followed by corrections. reasoning: obsolete tag. c) cleanup tag is 1 year old   there is a kind of discussion, no corrections.    Article is small with no special value to community   reasoning: I dont mind self promotion as long there is no link to it;    a cleanup tag is effectivelly a link.    c) cleanup tag is 1 year old there is also a more recent cleanup tag. reasoning: more recent takes precedence

My rules for UPDATING the clean-up tags: a) clean up tag is 1 year old   there is a kind of discussion, no corrections.    Article has some value.

My rules for NOT REMOVING the clean-up tags: a) clean up tag is 1 year old   there is some kind of "heated" discussion and corrections.   Article is controversial.   Reasoning: too many riaks. etc..

In any case I am sorry if I disturbed some process somewhere. On the other hand the line you mentionned does not bring enough to the table. I would be glad to explain in more details why this work is necessary and benefitiary to the wikipedians. Dilane 06:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Books
You use some - please put on resources page - (saw at michaels talk i think) - we need more books on that page for the internet challenged SatuSuro 11:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes agree with SatuSuro. Regarding the message board I've been thinking we probably don't need it, and it could be merged into the Project talk page. Notices/announcements often generate discussion anyway. What do you think? (Caniago 11:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC))


 * I really think we should reduce to as little variation as possible - for the slow to think person like myself when an issue is flying by - I mean an hour in wikipedia is a long time - clever vndls and other pesky things need as few points of contact as possible for us to share info ( ok so i do pounce on to others talk pages uninvited at odd times, but...) - keep it simple for stupid - please ! SatuSuro 11:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You have a gmail - re the only two english language refs I could find for pesantren... cheers SatuSuro 05:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

User:SKyring and Pauline Hanson's Lovers
sic 'im! thanks for the help on the Pauline_Hanson article (i.e. the rape and pillage quote). There's just no way that can't be notable in a person such as Ms Hanson —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (user name deleted).

email
yuou have from me SatuSuro 03:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Pauline Hanson
It's beyond the pale how much grief we're having keeping verifiable truthful releveant - but negative items in PH's bio! Thanks for your ongoing efforts. I think calling her a mongrel (which in truth she is... but it's a bit close to being poor form on my part) really tipped user:skyring over the edge.. I keep hoping he'll get himself into such a lather he'll end up with another indefinite block!

--PeterMarkSmith 03:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * lol - careful what you say in public! To be honest, I'm over it (although their rubbish on the talk page and edit summaries bugs me more than the actual removal). Its essentially a revert-war to the death. The fact that they are so passionate about it's removal only adds to my belief that it IS TELLING about her character. They've used at least 3 different reasons to ask for the removal, repeat old objections which have been answered repeatedly (ie, "but the test is flawed" - which is irrelevant), and resort to outright lies (ie, "unsourced"). If it is just an endurance test of reverts then i can't be bothered. It's moronic and pathetic to keep reverting - let them do it, I say. The fact that they've used a number of different reasons, suggests they are not interested in WHY it is removed, they simply want it removed, at whatever cost. A good test would be to put something of equal note (or non-note as they are arguing) but POSITIVE and see if it gets removed. lol


 * The fact is the whole article is particularly poor quality for such a notable figure, and I am not talking simply about POV issues. If Micheal (beneaththelanslide??) is as experienced in writing biographies, he should try and fix up this one.Merbabu 04:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * All true. I can't believe Skyring wants an apology! Sheesh - it's "just" wikipedia! --PeterMarkSmith 04:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Portal: Indonesia - selected Article
Hi Merbabu, we've run out of selected articles. Are you OK to sort this out? Thanks, Ben --Bwmodular 09:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

DY
Oh my, I was just trying to trigger you about this user, but when I looked at the article, it has been AfD by you. I'll make a comment about it there. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 12:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * My mistake, sorry. Yes, it was AfD by somebody else. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 12:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Did I just blank sections of your talk page???? If so, please, give me a vandalism warning. I don't know how I managed to do that! My sincere apologies, Mr M. :) Sarah 14:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I detect
Amazing resources of patience witth what seem ridiculous situations recently - please accept an invisible barnstar - for your forbearance in the face of absurdity - unless I have misread things - in that case you deserve it for sheer consistency and hard work! SatuSuro 11:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Quote
If you somehow drop by to my user page, then please take a look whose quote I found today. ;-) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 09:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought I copy-pasted it correctly. You don't mind your quote on my page until I found something interesting later, do you? Otherwise I can remove it. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 10:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, you did copy it correctly, the problem was i wrote it incorrectly in the first place. And one can't edit edit summaries. I was responding to the previous posted.
 * I know. Hey, if you object, then please tell me so, but your quote about 'declumsifying' is really good. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 10:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't mind at all, as long as (a) you don't mind me editing it to my original intention and (b) realise i was actually only quoting someone else. Merbabu 10:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

About WP:INA newsletter
Do you know how to activate it again ? How does it work anyway ? It's a bit pity that the project goes quiet again. There are some new Indonesian wikipedians who can be motivated by the newsletter. I'm planning to make it simpler, smaller and unobtrusive as a reminder for collabs, requests and other small announcements (new GAs, FAs, DYKs), etc. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 10:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks SatuSuro 13:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow
Vandalism protector extraordinaire. Are you sure you are not a bot? ha ha You are an extremely valuable asset to wikipedia. Your cleanup on Star Wars and Indonesia (could there be two more different articles?) came up within 1 min of each other on my watch page.Merbabu 16:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I'm not a bot. Or if I am, I've figured out how to reply to messages asking whether I'm a bot by indicating that I'm not. Which is pretty advanced stuff, in AI terms. Trust me, if I knew how to write that sort of AI, I wouldn't be wasting my time on Wikipedia :) – Qxz 16:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Those articles may be very different, but they were right next to each other on my list of possible vandalism picked out from Recent Changes – Qxz 16:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Red linbk nominator
I out of principle - would like to object to a red link user putting nominations on the Indonesia project- what would you do? I think a welcome and mention to get a name would be a good ideas? SatuSuro 08:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh well - still dont like it but i wont take it any further at this stage thanks for heads up on that one.. SatuSuro 09:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Bit like some editors wont respond to red links on their talk pages - i just think such a poorly set up nomination on the project collab page suggests we are open to suggestions from those who cannot even put in a nomination properly :) SatuSuro 10:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Indonesia citations
Wasn't disputing these points, just think that they are very important claims needing citation given the controversial nature of the religion at present in Indonesia and the rest of the world. (Caniago 14:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC))

Tomé Piers or Tomé Pires?
Hello Merbabu, regarding "your" article Tomé Piers, I must note that Piers is not a Portuguese name (which does not mean that wasn't his name...). Couldn't it be Pires? The Ogre 15:52, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Believe it is Pires. Also my copy of the reference book in am article says: ...since c. 1200  Well im off again. Krgds, JAGO It&#39;s just HIS story... 10:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Schapelle Corby
I have noticed you reverted my fixing to the infobox and changed "charge" to "convicted of". While I much appreciate your intentions to avoid confusion, I'd have to tell you that in the turnout of the article, "convicted of" simply cannot show up in the infobox because our current criminal infobox code does not contain such a "convicted of" row. As you can see in Schapelle Corby article, the "convicted of" does not show up. So my suggestion is change it back to "charge" and maybe make a convicted of row when my colleagues in WP:CRIME project improve the infobox. And if you know anyone who is an expert in infobox code, he is more than welcome to edit the infobox template to add "convicted of" row in the template, rather than in the article. Wooyi 15:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Article review
No, I got nothing more than a bot reply (which helped with my copyediting but that's as far as it got). --Concrete Cowboy 16:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Edits to Bono
What nonsense this factual information about Bono —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Peterkeith99 (talk • contribs).

Thanks for your help
I just wanted to say thanks for all your help patrolling & enhancing the Bono article. I've left you a barnstar on your user page for all your hard work. Happy editing! Chupper 03:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't own it, but I do have full access to the text online through my university's library. I actually found it sort of difficult to read!  The interviewer guy (whatever his name is - miehlasdkfj;alskdjf, or something) did a good job of bringing the conversation back down to Earth.  Bono has a tendency of talking about stuff in a very deep way.  It has some great stuff though, which I did use for sources in the article.  That's a great idea - When I get a chance I'll see what kind of good quotes I can pull from it.  I saw those quote boxes in the U2 article awhile ago; I didn't realize you put them in there!  I actually really like those. Chupper 03:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh yea, you're right. My brain is running in slow mode right now.  Unfortunately, I don't have access to that book. It's interesting you brought that up - I was actually looking for it a couple weeks ago, but I'd have to buy it.  That would be a great book for any of these U2 related articles.  I wonder if anyone else has access to it... Chupper 04:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Apologies
Have been weighed under by domestic wa issues - saw your question at indons talk page about cats - there are cat police! yes there are - there is a process through which some wikipedians abide by (and others dont) - in the process of creating new cats... will try to find the right page to go to...  please note my interaction with the red link person who created the suharto category this afternoon - :(  some days it seems that it rains issues more than one keyboard and life can cope with... SatuSuro 13:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed a dumb cat of Suharto (??). SatuSuro, why don't you be a cat police? You're good at it. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 13:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Awas! hatu hati - sebentar!SatuSuro 13:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I will re convene this discussion at Indons if you dont mind SatuSuro 13:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey man- I was thinking about bright sparks like the suharto one out of the blue today - not your carefully thought out plan of attack - :0  SatuSuro 13:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The cfd arena is worth a quick squizzy to see the issues they bring up - we have been so lucky in this project we havent had non project busy bodies come in and challenge on issues that get to waste sso much time and energy - we had a road category under challenge here in perth/wa some weeks back - and the panic was discernable as eds bumped up the number of roads to prevent the cat from getting deleted - we really need to think ahead to the inevitabe nosy buggers from elsewhere coming in and doing something similar within the indonesia project area... cheers ....  SatuSuro 13:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Just have to share this one - the best yet out of 115 of the little lovelies - the contents of this one - ! - Category:Churches in Indonesia -- arrgghh! SatuSuro 11:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Newsletter
Latest version - looks good! - could someone put a link in for the noticeboard? cheers SatuSuro 01:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The one on your sub-page - Thinking about it - maybe stretch it out a bit bigger for some space around the text - just to avoid a clutter feel? SatuSuro 01:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll do the spam next time, promise. :-) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 10:10, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Menurut Pendapat Saya
Harus berhenti sampai kereta admin datang dengan kata kata tentang tiga R SatuSuro 14:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ya, tahu aku - "satu, dua, tiga, sudah" ;-)  Merbabu 14:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Mundur dari medan perang, dapat pesan lebih baik satu per satu dilawan daripada semuanya, tapi sepertinya sudah malas dengan para pejuang template di sini. (note: I'm trying to mimic SS message.) :-) ---> the following message is kindly provided by the Wiki-sign bot = (heck, where's the hagerman bot when it's needed??) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 13:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ya, memang susur kalau nominasinya lebih dari satu - semua jadi bingung. Pasti kalau satu per satu, kita lebih sukses. Merbabu 13:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yah, salah juga agak rakus. :-) Tapi rasanya saya tidak akan jadi nominator dulu. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 14:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Surat tercatat -- dari pak pos: &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 16:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Memriksa bercakap tempat saya untuk dapat clue tentang di atas SatuSuro 14:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Please expect a very long email later today (1st) re the issue _ cheers SatuSuro 00:22, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * ended up being very short and a question - sent just now SatuSuro 09:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

(Semi)Circular Quay
Thanks for tidying my ref, I was a bit short of time last night but wanted to leave the reason why I reverted your removal --Steve (Slf67)talk 22:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

ism
I have put a message at the three talk locations for the project - i do think its a project wide issue - would appreciate any comments on or offf SatuSuro 23:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

trawling
the things one comes across... sigh West Java Australian Football League SatuSuro 02:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * lol - you always find the most encyclopedic articles. What's your secret? Merbabu 02:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * son of a veterinanian - cat doctor - son of the father - cat trawler... :) SatuSuro 04:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Indonesian people by ethnic or national origin requires you attention SatuSuro 07:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono
This 14th January edit is another item you may want to review. Given the size of the edit over almost the whole article, it is not surprising that people didn't notice pieces of information had disappeared - I only noticed because I was trying to remember Mr Yudhoyono wife's name.58.107.15.245 04:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Sandboxing
Cheers fr that suggestion. Bn down w/the flue this week so ampel time for Wikiscribbling Im afraid. Krgds, JAGO It&#39;s just HIS story... 10:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)