User:Mobile 01/save

Travb's comments
Message left on my talk page by Admin Robdurbar - Travb WikiStalking.

Hi Mobile, I've not really commented but I have followed this debate occaisionally. I know there's been bad blood between you and Travb - something I think you're both complicit in - but if you keep removing his comments then you remove any chance for a sort of reconcilliation. You've no obligation to retain the comments and I'm not going to go on at you now if you decide to keep removing them - but if you do keep removing them, you two will never get anywhere. --Robdurbar 09:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello again. I don't mean to keep intervening but Travb has now asked me to comment on the archive war and I thought I would.
 * So first of all on that - to be frank, you shouldn't be archiving comments just because they're inappropriate. Furthermore, if someone disagrees with your archiving, then its good practice to raise the question why, accept their reasons, and just arcihve the rest.
 * I've also told Travb that, in my opinion, his repeated reports and comments about you are a form of wikistalking. He's done this because your early activities were disruptive - so my advice to you would be to go out of your way to prove that you're not.
 * Again, I don't paticulalry like coming and giving these warning-type messages - it seems very preachy - but I thought I ought to fulfill his request. My final note is to say that if you apologise to Travb - directly to him, on his talk page and acknowledge what you've done wrong - then I hope he'll be happy to do the same. --Robdurbar 10:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

From Mobile 01
Appology left on Travb Talk Page suggested by Admin Robdurbar.

Well I guess we have both been TOLD! Olive branch extended, apology given. Bygones it is and hopefully I will see you next on a clean and clear discussion page.
 * So in response to Robdurbar's message to both of us, I will be the first to offer my apologies to you. If I have offended you personally in any of my comments then I apologize for that too. I am an Aussie, and while that may not make sense to anyone but another Aussie, we do tend to get fired up when people hound us. I have once before offered you an olive branch right here on your talk page and asked you to end your vendetta against me and come back to the Firestone discussion to talk about making the article better. Last time I did this, you threw it back in my face and just continued with your agenda.
 * So once again I am asking you to stop your hounding of me, to stop posting derogatory comments about me, to stop placing messages on discussion pages that do not relate to improving the article, to stop trolling my Contribs and Wikistalking me around the place, to delete your User:Travb/c page and any other diaries you are keeping about me, to let me get on with editing Wikipedia instead of spending all my time defending myself against your continued harassment.
 * I will for the record state that I have never deliberately used SockPuppetry on any article I have edited, whether you believe that or not is purely your choice.
 * I suggest we agree to totally archive the discussion page on Firestone and start with a totally clean slate where all future text will be about improving the article and nothing else. We should keep the current stuff from FAAFA about the racing and any other messages that are about improvement and just archive/delete the rest. I will also have RebelAt delete the sandbox article and we can all edit the real thing. I suggest we also create a /ideas page where we can place our new edits for approval or collaboration before moving them to the main article. This will prevent further edit wars and allow us both to create a truly great article. I promise to no longer fire up as long as you promise to do the same.
 * I have received an email from FAAFA and he speaks very highly of you as an editor and he has also explained the Zer0faults email thingy you talked about. While I have not read it all, I have a better understanding of where you are coming from. As you have stated on numerous occasions, I am a relative novice to Wiki editing and while I may (as stated by Robdurbar) be a little misguided and obnoxious at times, that’s just the Aussie in me. I can't promise I will hold my tongue(fingers) if I don't agree with something, but I do promise that I will discuss the situation and try and find a compromise if it exists.

Mobile 01 Talk  13:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Request for help
Message left on Travb talk by Admin Robdurbar, suggests leaving message for Mobile 01, stating willing to work together.

OK, Travb, I'm going to be honest with you. This is what I think and its why I've generally been reluctant to help you. When Mobile01 came to Wikipedia, he was clearly disruptive and almost definately used sockpuppets. He has made personal attacks on you and his refusal to accept your comments on his talk page borders on incivility. I agree that writing things such as "to prevent the bombardment of hate mail from Travb" is wrong.

But.

It also seems to me that Mobile01 is now genuniely interested in helping Wikipedia. He is misguided at times - he shouldn't remove your comments just because he feels they are attacking, even if they're not intended to be - and I'll happily tell him that. The rule of thumb if somone disagrees with your archiving is to willfully restore the text and bring up a question as to what can be archived on the talk. Again, I'll tell him this.

Mobile's edits are coming as a reaction to a complete loss of faith from yourself. You have hounded him and made report after complaint after report... its just not how we do things here. If you engage with users - even disruptive ones - then either a. They'll change; b. They'll go away or c. The dispute resolution process will come out in your favour. I've tried telling you something along this line before, Travb, but if you posted on Mobile01's wall that you'd be willing to let bygones be bygones and work with him - well then I'd entirely support you if he refused or if he continued to remove your posts etc. But at the moment - I hate to tell you this - but to me you seem just as much to blame for this as Mobile. That's just my interpretation and others may disagree with me (and that's fine). But there's no action that I'm gonna take other than making a similar note to Mobile. Robdurbar 10:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Archive comments
Response from Travb for (a)Admin request, and (b)my appology left on his talk page.

I see you deleted my comments again here on your talk page, as Morton did on his talk page.

Go ahead and archive the comments, with one caveat: Please do not selectively archive the comments. Archive everything above a certain == ==.

Thanks. Travb (talk) 15:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)