User:Montanabw/Rodeo sandbox

History of Rodeo
I accept your tweeking of my additions to Rodeo. And I do agree that there needs to be changes, clarifications and additions to History of Rodeo. Should I make suggestions for changes through this means or by email directly to you or just edit directly, as you seem to be monitoring the site closely? Rodeohistorian (talk) 07:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You should make the suggestions on the talk page of the article. Thanks, - Josette (talk) 10:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Josette. We just came down off some major editing wiki-wars and so the articles are quite closely monitored.  However, that said, the History article is such a structural disaster, even beyond content, that I also recommend that a sandbox be created for people to dink around with changes privately because the article is so messed up that I suspect that even a basic organization is going to take some hashing out.  There is probably some good material in there, but sorting the wheat from the chaff is going to take some painstaking time and effort on someone's part.  And don't let me discourage you from being THE ONE!  LOL!  (Just please oh please collaborate!  (grin)). Montanabw (talk) 23:12, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Injury cites
Note that there is a more current "injury to animal survey" in the top link.

http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/jun03/030601m.asp

http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/jan01/s011501tt.asp

http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/feb00/s020100a.asp

AAEP 2008: Veterinary Care at Rodeos by: Nancy S. Loving, DVM March 26 2009, Article # 13843 Thehorse.com

Enjoying Wikipedia participation
I agree that constantly battling POV-pushing editors is not very much fun or very fulfilling. I try to always be improving at least one non-controversial article so that I can take pride in some progress being made to make up for the wheel-spinning that goes on in articles in which editors with an agenda and too much time on their hands are causing issues. Cla68 (talk) 05:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Wise words. If only real life would slow down too.  Seems all I do anywhere is put out brushfires.    Montanabw (talk) 00:05, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome :)
And yes I do recall "Buttermilk" as Dale Evans' horse, corresponding to "Trigger" as Roy Rogers' steed. I watched that show occasionally, though I was more into "The Lone Ranger". As I think about it, there were lots of westerns we used to watch. Westerns then were like cop shows today, seemingly all over the tube. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 00:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you're keeping an eye on WP:AN/I regarding all this, but if not it's worth a look, also the talkpages of some of the socks are illuminating. Seems there were a lot of socks in that drawer! I've proposed a ban (as opposed to a block) of the sockmaster. Regards, Tonywalton Talk 17:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll tune in again. It is a fascinating situation.   Montanabw (talk) 05:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually that ban would be in addition to an indefinite block, I would assume. It's just that a ban means that un-banning would also require consensus as opposed to unilateral action by one sympathetic admin (not that there's likely to be one). The spoonerism of a high white horse souse, along with your question, reminds me of "Old Stewball was a race horse / And I wish he were mine / He never drank water / He always drank wine..." The "Plaxico" thing refers to NFL player Plaxico Burress who was allegedly carrying a gun for self-protection and managed to allegedly shoot himself with it, last November. To "Plaxico" is to "shoot yourself in the foot" (or leg, technically). When "Buttermilk" forgot that he was still logged on as the puppetmaster "ItsLassieTime", and spoke as "Buttermilk", Josette jumped right on that, and the web of deceit quickly unraveled. "ItsLassieTime" committed a major "Plaxico", by bringing the complaint and not only being the one that got blocked - a not-uncommon occurrence on ANI, even by regular users - but also by revealing a sockpuppet farm. One little mistake! And that's just one reason to avoid making sockpuppets - you might get caught at it, and then you're history. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 10:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Wrong way round with bans and blocks, in fact. A block is in addition to a ban. In fact a block is (or may be) used to implement a ban. See WP:BAN for the full details, but in a nutshell a ban is a non-technological sanction upon an editor to refrain from editing something; this may be a topic ban ranging from a single article ("User:Example is banned from editing Ibuprofen") through one or more topics ("User:Example is banned from editing articles on the Balkans") through a site ban ("User:Example is banned from making any edits on the en Wikipedia"). In the first two examples User:Example would not be banned from editing anything else, so a block would not necessarily be appropriate. However an editor who refuses to observe the ban may be blocked (which is the technological sanction).
 * A block is not the same thing; for one, a blocked user may within policy create a new account and edit with is, as long as they do so non-disruptively. A site-banned user may not. In effect a block is on an account, a ban is on a user. There's actually no policy against having multiple accounts (eg User:Sackful of swallows, User:Tonwyalton), there is a policy against doing so disruptively. Regards, Tonywalton Talk 12:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's why you're the admin and I'm not. :) I was speaking specifically of a wiki-wide ban, which would typically be accompanied by an indefinite block, from what I've seen. There can also be a topic ban, which is often not accompanied by a block, and requires the diligence of other editors for enforcement. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 13:25, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * What spooked me about this whole deal is how a little human irritation on my part almost did me in before this whole thing was uncovered. I find it very troubling to have had two apparently different people file an ANI on me over this, putting me in a position of "guilty before proven innocent."  I was absolutely appalled.  One can remember DFTT and Ignore all Dramas, but when confronted with such an extreme level of bad faith, it's hard to know what to do.   Montanabw (talk) 17:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Welcome to wikipedia. And even with that user banned, they obviously want very badly to edit wikipedia, so watch out for redlinks and IP's making similar-sounding edits. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 17:41, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * What spooked me was how little I've just enjoyed blocking and placing ILT on the List. In a way I feel sorry for him/her. That's one very spooky user (and I use the word "user" in both senses); the edits on childrens' literature are excellent, the GA reviewing's excellent. All in all a good editor. Then utter weirdness from Buttermilk1950 and, earlier, Overjoyed. You'd almost believe that ILT and Buttermilk were two different people (until this edit). You could believe poor old confused LaSylphide... ILT also mentioned a "voodoo priest" persona which may or may not be ReverendLogos (that one's blocked, but there's nothing obviously "voodoo" about it, so there may be another one) - there's also a "fictional Gretchen Dusseldorf" hanging around somewhere - watch out for attacks from that fictional 19-year-old Harvard student. Regards, Tonywalton Talk 18:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

One trivial question: "Buttermilk1950". Dale Evens' horse, yes. But what about the 1950 part? Does that refer to anything in particular? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 18:08, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Ironically...
ItsLassieTime was put down... for horsing around. Nay, I say! Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 22:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, yeah. ItsLassieTime will be dogging our footsteps for a while. Etcetera. I'd rather like to forget ILT for a while (apart from sock-hunting) and I'm sure Montanabw would too. Tonywalton Talk 23:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What I REALLY want to know is what to throw at Bugs for making really awful puns! LOL!   Montanabw (talk) 23:04, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Punitively punt punchbowls full of punkwood at the punter. Tonywalton Talk 23:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm. I was hoping for a good analogy to baseball and Bugs Bunny.  That wascally wabbit is wweaking havoc wit my wit! :-D   Montanabw (talk) 19:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Tony was on the right track, toward this quote from the cartoon called Baseball Bugs, with Bugsy on the mound to deliver what will prove to be the final pitch of the game, giving this aside to the viewers: "Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful, paralyzing, perfect pachydermous percussion pitch!" Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 00:33, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Some trolling...

 * Human injuries related to riding
 * occupational animal related injuries
 * lameness in rodeo horse
 * Equine welfare conference
 * disaster preparedness
 * pediatric horse related injuries

More to follow, I'm sure. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * animal cruelty
 * animal-caused fatalities
 * vets and animal welfare
 * legal protection for horses
 * New Zealand cruelty-free consumption
 * anti-cruelty statutes
 * prepurchase exams for western performance horse


 * I did find some articles that might be useful. Will try to get them emailed to you shortly. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)