User:Mrg3105/general advice

General advice, but given very strongly

Things like these should be kept off the talk pages. Some of the perfect fora for these are alt.politics.nationalism, forum of inosmi.ru, lj, etc.

Now, allow me a more general comment. I've seen many users who behave unacceptably and had to leave Wikipedia. Among those I have seen only two whose departure, despite their being difficult to deal with, was a net loss of Wikipedia. Those users were very willing to contribute, cited their sources, were reasonably read on the subjects and could contribute further except for one thing. Their entries to talk pages and the extent of edit warring very much resembled the overall pattern of the users who will never ever bring anything useful to Wikipedia but whose presence aggravates matters a whole lot.

To be honest, I've done my share trying to save those two users for the Wikipedia by both explaining them some basic concepts of behavior and explaining to the community why those users should get just an extra bit of tolerance. I was only partially successful in both these paths. I managed to achieve that the presence of the two said users lasted longer and they contributed more real content (that was my motivation, I've never spoken for the users here for any other reason), but in the end of the day I failed to reform them to an extent that they were able to stay on the long run. Thus, I came to the conclusion that the trouble users, even potentially productive ones, are unreformable.

I am sorry to tell that, but from what I see you are heading their way. Your contribute content but do not reform the style of your entries or, at least, reform it too slowly. This makes you a, so called, "problem user" to the quick glance; and the administrators who study the complaints are often lazy to see any further than such appearance, especially if the report is cleverly construed and there is no shortage of experts in such constructions. Moreover, some administrators are not just lazy but just love to block as blocking makes them feel important. This is a minority but the one that leaves a very significant footprint.

Anyway, my message to you is just please do get what people have been saying to you for a while. I am not to give the names of those two users I was referring to publicly to avoid harming them further. If you want to find out and check their onwiki stories, feel free to email me for additional information. --Irpen 06:46, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I know who are those two users Irpen is talking about (I have counted three, but it does not matter). And yes my perception of the story is similar to Irpen's. Do not follow their steps Alex Bakharev 07:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)