User:NickCT/sandbox2

Potential Replacements for lede image
Dear All,

It seems like the RfC above has shifted from a question of "if we should change" to a question of "what should we change to". I want to try and streamline the discussion so that it remains concise. Here are some potentials below (previously suggested options and some of my own) Please comment briefly on which image you find most acceptable, and why. I'd suggest using "Support, Weak Support, Neutral, Weak Oppose, Oppose" notation.


 * Malik offered this image
 * Weak Oppose - While I think this image is better than the current, I still think its somewhat disparaging. Ahmed certainly looks sickly in this picture.  His gait is unusual, and his left hand looks slightly awkward. NickCT (talk) 14:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * George offered this image
 * Weak Support - Acceptable but image is old. NickCT (talk) 14:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * NickCT's option 1 from
 * Support - As nominator (no wheelchair, front profile, high res, no photographer credit, no hist sig) NickCT (talk) 14:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * NickCT's option 2 from
 * Support - As nominator (no wheelchair, front profile, high res, no photographer credit, no hist sig) NickCT (talk) 14:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * NickCT's option 3 from
 * Support - As nominator (wheelchair, front profile, high res, no photographer credit, no hist sig) NickCT (talk) 14:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * NickCT's option 4 from
 * Support - As nominator (wheelchair, front profile, high res, photographer credit, hist sig) NickCT (talk) 14:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * NickCT's option 5 from
 * Support - As nominator (wheelchair, front profile, high res, no photographer credit, no hist sig) NickCT (talk) 14:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * NickCT's option 6 from
 * Support - As nominator (no wheelchair, front profile, low res, no photographer credit, hist sig) NickCT (talk) 14:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * NickCT's option 7 from
 * Support - As nominator (wheelchair, front profile, high res, photographer credit, hist sig) -Watermarked Getty Image- NickCT (talk) 14:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * NickCT's option 8 from
 * Support - As nominator (no wheelchair, front profile, low res, photographer credit, hist sig) NickCT (talk) 14:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Nabeelzy's option 1
 * Support - Good portrait NickCT (talk) 15:11, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Nabeelzy's option 2
 * Weak Oppose - Poor image NickCT (talk) 15:11, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Nabeelzy's option 3
 * Weak Support - Good image but watermarked NickCT (talk) 15:11, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Discussion Regarding Images Above
Please confine comments not related to specific image options to this section. Thanks, NickCT (talk) 14:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Premature RfCs run for 30 days; shifting the focus after one day is inappropriate. I move to archive/close this section until the RfC is completed. There are potentially hundreds of interested editors who have yet to comment. -- Avi (talk) 16:54, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Avi. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok..... I'll move this to sandbox until some future point. I was just a little concerned that RfC above is getting confused between two questions (i.e. "should the pic change?" & "what should it change to?").  Let's try to keep the RfC above mostly on the subject of whether the picture should be changed or not.  I will re-insert this section in the event that we get a consensus to change the picture.  Agreed? NickCT (talk) 18:45, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The RfC specifically asks a two-part question, because if people want the picture changed, they need to suggest alternatives that are at least as good. Responses such as Malik's and George are exactly the sort that people opposing the current picture should give: Opposition with reasons, suggestions for alternatives, and engage in discussions as to how the alternatives are at least as good. Giving a large list of alternates is overkill and obfuscates the RfC, but one or two do not. Of course, people who think the current picture is fine should not need to supply alternates. -- Avi (talk) 18:55, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * So would you suggest then that I shift my offerings to the RfC above? It seems as though it would become cumbersome. NickCT (talk) 19:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And by-the-by, do you find any of the options I presented worthwhile? NickCT (talk) 19:14, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Your options 3 and 5 address some of the issues nicely, but I still think Malik's is better as it has date and photog information too, and it's larger so it will be clearer on the article page should we switch to it. But yes, I's suggest you add the one or three you think are best to the discussion above, but 11 are too many. Thanks. -- Avi (talk) 19:26, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Acceptable. Unless there is objection I will shift this entire section to my sandbox in the next few hours.  Furthermore, I will propose options 3 and 5 in the RfC above.
 * As a sidenote Avi, if we could simply agree on this image we could move past all this bickering and WP:wikilawyering. Frankly, I'd even help you maintain the image on this page in future.  We're clearly the the most interested persons in this discussion.  Can we find compromise & consensus here and work together to close the discussion? NickCT (talk) 20:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that the RfC is open, it should run its full course. Whilst we may be the most interested parties, we are only two of millions, and of hundreds of active people, and neither of us embody enough consensus on our own or together. We are having a decent discussion above; let it continue. -- Avi (talk) 20:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)