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FAC notes
The Mont Blanc massif is one of the most well-known and heavily visited parts of the European Alps. (6 million visitors per annum) This article went through FAC in 2016, where all issues raised were addressed, especially structure/layout. However, it probably fell at the last hurdle as the progress appeared not to have been made sufficiently speedily, and the candidacy was archived. Featured article candidates/Mont Blanc massif/archive1

My action list prior to :
 * Print off PDF of article
 * List original concerns by NM - ticking off all those now addressed. (Are any actually still outstanding?)
 * Re-Assess topic arrangement against initial critique
 * Check all references still function
 * Check for updates esp UNESCO WHS application
 * Re-assess all image relevance.
 * Confirm definition of range.

Previous concerns by NM- to re-check I've addressed: File:Zentralbibliothek_Zürich_-_Vallée_de_Chamonix_Traversée_de_la_Mer_de_Glace_-_400017818.jpg: if the author is unknown, how do we know they died over 70 years ago? This is a 20th-century image so it's quite possible they did not France does not have freedom of panorama, so depictions of statues and buildings need to include details on the copyright status of the pictured thing as well as the photo itself
 * The article's structure is confusing, particularly in the history section - we start with a chronological account and then jump into a thematic organization, including subsections that are only sort of historical in nature. We also seem to be missing pieces of the story - for example, there's mention of plane crashes as an aside under Glaciers, but no mention of these anywhere in the history. Normally we'd expect to see significant events of this type described in the history narrative.
 * There's an overemphasis on tourism details throughout
 * The article is generally underlinked - many people won't know what "biotite mica" or "vascular plants" are
 * Tables can be hard to interpret. For example, what is your definition of "largest" in the Glaciers table? Where does the information under Observations come from? Conversely, details of climate data might be better presented in table form rather than as prose.
 * The article would benefit from a run-through for MOS issues - blockquotes shouldn't have quote marks, adjectival measurements should use hyphens, 'see also' shouldn't repeat links included inline, there shouldn't be spaces between footnotes, etc.
 * Images There are a lot of them, to the point that they're disrupting the layout and causing blank space
 * Some of them seem to be more 'artistic' than encyclopedic. For example, the ibex image is visually interesting but doesn't really give us a sense of what the full animal looks like.
 * Sourcing: Spotchecks found a few instances of material not supported by cited sources. For example, I don't see mention of a pollution-reduction rationale in this source
 * Formatting is generally inconsistent - sometimes books include publisher locations and sometimes not, Further reading is hand-formatted while References are templated, some publication names aren't italicized when they should be, etc Daily Mail is not usually considered an RS.
 * You're using the URL of the website hosting the document cited in footnote 4 as the website parameter. This makes it show up as the italicized "work". In this case, I'd say "International Boundary Study" is a series and "Italy – Switzerland Boundary" is the title. All that website is doing is hosting an already published document. For all your cite web templates, you should use the title of the website rather than the URL of the website if that website really is the larger "work" in which the cited page is being published.

Points I had addressed post-feedback:
 * Two climate data tables created,
 * section re-structuring,
 * correct referencing and thinning-out of images.
 * Inevitably, for a high mountain range without permanent residents (apart from in the valley bottoms) creating a full historical narrative is not really practicable, so I have responded to concerns by adding a timeline of significant tragedies occurring across the range, which I hope helps address this. I excluded significant mountaineering accomplishments so as not to further expand the tourism / alpine climbing history any further, or straying into the domain of other articles.

Black Sail YH
BSYH is a mountain hut in the Lake District of England. It was formerly a shepherds bothy, but since DATE has been run as a youth hostel by the YHA. It is regarded as the most remote of all youth hostels, with no road access and requiring an x mile walk.

In INSERT YEAR it was revamped


 * https://www.theguardian.com/uk/the-northerner/2012/nov/21/black-sail-youth-hostel-ennerdale-lake-district
 * Chris Bonnington quote: "It's a simple, seemingly unremarkable shepherd's bothy set in the most remarkable position, surrounded by some of the country's greatest peaks". Ref: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/uk/even-the-himalayas-cant-compare-with-the-beauty-of-lakeland-825732.html


 * https://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/yha-black-sail
 * https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/uk/yha-cumbria-dark-sky-walking-holidays-hostels-a7061376.html
 * http://www.coolplaces.co.uk/places/uk/england/cumbria/7624-yha-black-sail
 * http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/11354083.Black_Sail_youth_hostel_re_opens_in_the_Lake_District_after___325k_refit/
 * https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2008/11/21/hot-meals-back-on-menu-after-black-sail-u-turn
 * http://www.theaa.com/bike-rides/wild-ennerdale-418658
 * https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2014/07/20/mountaineer-alan-hinkes-leads-walk-to-re-open-black-sail-youth-hostel
 * http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/10147328.Remote_Black_Sail_Hut_Lake_District_hostel_gets___260K_refurb/
 * https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2014/nov/22/five-of-the-best-british-youth-hostels-yha
 * http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-28322794
 * https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2013/01/08/black-sail-youth-hostel-will-close-for-a-month-to-allow-%C2%BCm-facelift
 * https://livemore.yha.org.uk/hostels/yha-black-sail-85-years-of-history

External link to architects revamp  http://just-h-architects.squarespace.com/black-sail-hostel/kglnnq1hwafg7tojpseol8g3ssc16a

Graian Alps
Many wikipedia pages state that the mountains of the Mont Blanc massif fall into the Graian Alps. This is erroneous, and it is virutally impossible to find any non-wikipedia based sources which substatniate this. Indeed, the reverse is the case. Here are a few:
 * Chapter with Map of the Graian Alps. page

Emile Rey
Having been granted special permission 'in the interests of science' to cut short a journey with the Emperor William II Gussfeldt accompanied by Klucker and Emile Rey, two of the greatest guides of the period, and by Cesar Oilier as porter reached the summit of Mont Blanc on 16 August by way of the Brenva glacier, the Aiguille Blanche de Peuterey and Mont Blanc de Courmayeur. The expedition, which lasted for 88 hours, necessitated two remote bivouacs and a dreadful night 'in the cabane of the Rochers Rouges, packed together with 12 workmen' Article

""It is not the gain that leads me to the summits, it is the passion that I have for the mountain. I have always regarded the fee as a secondary thing in my life driving."

In 1889 both peaks of the Dru were climbed for the first time from the Petit Dru to the Grand Dru by two parties. One party contained Katharine Richardson and guides Emile Rey and Jean-Baptiste Bich, and the other Mr Nash and Mr Williams with guides François Simond, Frederic Payot and Edouard Cupelin.[3] = Alpine Journal, 1888–89, vol. 14, 511–512  see also Walt Unsworth pp&g


 * http://www.ecodelledolomiti.net/Num_4/Num_4_Ita/GuideAlp_Ita4.htm
 * http://www.guidealpine.it/un-po-di-storia.html
 * http://www.inalto.org/it/biografie/emile_rey
 * http://www.guidecourmayeur.com/montebianco/pg57.html
 * http://gutenberg.polytechnic.edu.na/4/3/3/1/43314/43314-h/43314-h.htm#page_008

Infobox hut


Reference texts
Alps Project Template for Talk Pages

The High Mountains of the Alps

Add page number:

The 4000m Peaks of the Alps

Pennine Alps Central (Collomb 1975)

Pennine Alps East

Mont Blanc range. Vol. 1: (Collomb 1976)

Mont Blanc Massif Vol 1 (Griffin1)

Mont Blanc Massif Vol 2 (Griffin2)

The Alpine 4000m Peaks (Goedeke)

Gaston Rubberfeet

Valais Alps East

Valais Alps West (check date/ISBN against book) Moran Alps 4000

In Monte Viso's Horizon

Walliser Alpen

Baedeker's Switzerland

Tyndall's Glaciers of the Alps

Chamonix Mont Blanc map (1:25,000).

Saint Gervais les Bains, Mont Blanc map (1:25,000).

Alpine Climbing grades

USGS Glaciers of the World (this link Alps:Italian Alps)



on the French adjectival climbing scale, is graded at F+/PD-

possible new pages

 * Robert Wylie Lloyd (1868-1958)
 * Jean-Baptiste Bich
 * Jean-Pierre Cachat
 * Franz-Josef Andenmatten
 * Josef Pollinger
 * Giovanni Gnifetti
 * Gouter Hut


 * lorenzo croux 7 died at courmayeur on christmas day of this last winter%22 Maurice Paillon (1855- 1938)
 * lorenzo croux 7 died at courmayeur on christmas day of this last winter%22 Laurent Croux

Dire stubs
Refuge Vallot

Just some interesting links
8C.D.Cunningham
 * Index to Alpine Journal 1892-1926 (Vol 16-38)
 * One Hundred Years of the Alpine Club
 * A Winter's Day in Courmayeur Gos, 1937
 * My Home in the Alps. by Mrs Main, 1892.
 * The Mountaineers
 * First pages of My Father, Frank (ie F S Smythe).
 * Mountaineering Holiday - preview
 * Unjustifiable Risk? Google preview
 * Maurice Paillon & Laurent Croux & AIME MAQUIGNAZ obit
 * The Pioneers of The Alps by C.D.Cunningham & Abney, Capt. W. de W. 2nd edition OCR text of 1888 article
 * The Pioneers of the Alps 1888 2nd edition -scanned
 * The Swiss Pioneers by Arnold Lunn Alpine Journal 1963 p205-211 (OCR) (scanned version of journal)
 * [https://archive.org/details/annalsofmontblan00math The Annals of Mt Blanc by C.E.Mathews 1900
 * Albert Smith, the Alpine Club, and the Invention of Mountaineering in Mid-Victorian Britain
 * French IGN Col Emile Rey
 * The Fuhrerbuch of Johann Juan, D.O.Dangar - detailed accounts of ascents and clients
 * My Climbs in the Caucuses Ch1-14 A.F.Mummery 1908.