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Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/NovelsWithoutInfobox
I think this could do with an update, also could you add another couple of genres to the mix as the basic Novel appears to be worked through, or nearly. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  10:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * How about Category:Alternate history novels, Category:Autobiographical novels, Category:Fantasy novels and Category:Mystery novels and see how many that gives us. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  08:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Fine by me
as real life has intervened recently. Alba 17:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Films/novels
Wow, my first barnstar!! Thanks a bunch. I have updated the films that are also novels page; can you incorporate the revised sub-heading text into the program? I assume the program adds it under each sub-section? viz: "Don't forget to add in the article text of the film article. Report articles that should not be on the list in the False Hits section below. Thanks!" Also, can we put false hits on the talk page instead of the project page? (Makes it easier to navigate.) Thanks again. I know you're busy so I will plug away at the thriller films and stand by. Cheers, &hearts; Her Pegship &hearts; 21:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, format it any way you wish; you're the Guy That Makes It Happen. I'm just going for a less cluttered look...now back to Grace Kelly I go!  &hearts; Her Pegship &hearts; 03:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

VandalProof approval...
Hello!

I would love to help in any way I can with the vandalism...but with the vandalism software, it will not approve me...I think it's because I just recently made an account, although I've wiki-ed for a short while now.

My IP is 68.179.153.72

Do you think I could be approved?

Thanks, GregMinton 2:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * More edits are needed untill I can approve you (250)Eagle talk

Mod page
Note how the version was disabled, it looks like 1.0.0 is disabled, yet 1.2.0 is. At the same time 1.2.1 isn't. How do you think that works, you're a programmer. Prodego talk  20:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * See . Prodego  talk  20:22, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * AmiDaniel fixed whatever the problem is and came out with 1.2.1, which is available for download on the downloads page. Prodego  talk  20:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * But 1.2 doesn't work. Prodego  talk  20:31, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Your Userpage
Did my edit not work for you? T e  k e  04:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No it is fine... I just was experimenting, trying to get rid of the need for 6 blank lines at the start of my pages... I am going to make that a box soon. Sorry If I came across that way... I eventally had to revert myself back to your version anyway:) Thanks!Eagle talk 04:31, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I was just checking, I know how it is when someone messes with your page. Just helping out some; good work with VandalProof and thanks for that!  T  e  k e  04:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I use FireFox. When I saw it the templates overlapped.  The problem now is when I view revision history, I can't click to just view the previous version because of the status overlapping the top of the box.  I don't know script; so I'll leave it to a box replacement as per your plans.  Happy editing!  T  e  k e  04:52, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
You recently helped me and asked if you were helpful. Well you were indeed helpful and I thank you for that. also it was very nice to get a response in mere minutes. Keep up the great work. Realferrari 06:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Yeah that was helpful. I actually didn't create the table. I just tripped over it while passing the time. Thanks Kyros 07:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Pavlina Valentova
"Pavlina Valentova (born December 23, 1983, in Slovakia). She performs both hardcore and lesbian scenes which has made her one of the most popular new stars from Europe. She is also well known as Mili Jay " ( plus some infoboxes and external links) which fails guidelines for Notability (pornographic actors) at notability assertion (this doens't mean the subject is not notable, it means the article failed to assert notability and thus was deleted) -- Drini 19:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I wasn't dealing with a new wikipedian. I'm not the one who proposed the article for deletion either. I as just clearing ou the backlog of many entries on CSD. You should talk to the guy who tagged the article for deletion: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drini (talk • contribs)

# 01:19, 24 May 2006. . Joe Beaudoin Jr. (db-bio; notability not asserted) # 15:40, 10 May 2006. . Nurgle # 08:54, 8 May 2006. . Nurgle # 08:53, 8 May 2006. . Nurgle

-- Drini 19:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's ok, I don't mind being asked. I think I got the wrong point across. I will always asnwer the why, my point is that maybe, it should be wiser for you to contact the guy proposing arrticles for deletion, and while I indeed try to help newbies I had no idea of the situation on this -- Drini 19:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

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Your user page is confusing, you should change it so parts of it don't cover other parts. I Love Minun (talk) 19:02, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Done with thrillers!!
Whoopee! Take your time doing the next category, and thanks a bunch for doing it. Cheers, &hearts; Her Pegship &hearts; 17:10, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

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Take your time
It's 10:40 pm here on the left coast and I'm off to bed, so don't rush. Thanks again! Cheers, &hearts; Her Pegship &hearts; 05:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

InfoBoxIncompleate
Sounds a good idea, mock it up and wee'll see what it comes up with. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  12:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Fantasy films list
Hi Eagle! There are a couple of typos...Could you change the sub-heading text to:
 * "Don't forget to add in the article text of the film article. (This allows the program to exclude finished articles.)"

Thanks! &hearts; Her Pegship &hearts; 17:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/NovelsWithoutInfobox
Seems something wrong with this one - the Mystery sections anyway. Numerous false hits. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  12:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the refresh - a lot better, thanks :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  10:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Basic "Novel" section now complete, might do with a rerun to see if others have dropped in whilst we have been working. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  10:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * "Feminist" section also now complete and removed. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  10:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh yes, please revert to groups of 10 (easier to count up and also given motivation to finish sections even when limited time is available) - just my thoughts though! ::  Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  10:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Anti-Canadianism
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VandalProof and Interiot Tool
When I tried to put Interiot edit tool code in my monobook (which already had code for VandalProof in it), VP stopped working when I tried it that way and began working again when I took out the edit tool code. I suspect the same reason is why the edit tool did not work. How should I set this up so both programs work? Right now monobook only has the VP code and VP works fine. Rlevse 12:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That probably means that the code for the edit tool has a syntax error. As soon as Javascript hits an error, it stops executing anything after it.  Different browsers have different/annoying ways to view javascript errors, but if you have Firefox laying around somewhere, I recommend using it and its Tools&gt;Javascript Console.  (usually clear the console, then reload the page) --Interiot 12:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, my VP monobook code looks fine when viewed via history but looks broken when I look at it via user page. What's up with all this and how do I get them both to work? Rlevse 14:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Partially solved. The problem in it not running was I'd copied in the "pre" tags when I dropped the edit tool code in.  But, I still have the issue of my code looking "broken" when I look at the monobook page via the leftmost user tab, but if I look at it by clicking on its date stamp in history, it looks normal.  Can you help fix this? The programs seem to be running okay though. Rlevse 21:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Now my monobook looks fine in both spots. Go figure.  Rlevse 20:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Novels newsletter
As a long time supporter of this project I thought I would let you have a look over the first draft of a new newsletter initiative. Could you see if there is obviously anything wrong with the concept or text, thanks for you help. I will ask one or two other stalwart editors before formally publishing the first issue. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  13:48, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

The June 2006 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  13:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for cleaning up the backlog at WP:3O. I have been trying to notch it down some myself but I just didn't feel completely comfortable handling all of the listings. Thanks again! --Hetar 05:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I just gave my opinion on the article's talk page. Please let me know if its sufficient, and if you have any other questions. --Hetar 06:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Some of my favorite pet projects:


 * 1) WP:UI - This is what you call image tagging. I like it because you get to look at a lot of visual stuff. Basically it entails looking through lists of untagged images and either finding the appropriate license or tagging them with or  . The only off side is that you can occasionally come across some pretty nasty images (usually uploaded for vandalism purposes). Although I must admit, I am suprised how rare the bad images are.
 * 2) Disambiguation pages with links - This is another one of my favorites. Its kind of monotonous (sp?) at times, but its fun to pick a term and then see all the different ways its used. You do have to be kind of careful because some users can be a little anal if you don't disambiguate to their preferred version.
 * 3) I also like to occasionally help out with Merging and moving pages. I can't find the exact link for the list/category of pages yet, but normally it's enjoyable to go through and pick some non-controversial moves and go ahead and preform them.

As for getting involved with AfD, perhaps the best way to start would be to do some new pages patrol (more info at Recent changes patrol). This way you can get started with a few of your own nominations and see them through from start to finish. It's really the best way to learn the process (although it can be frustrating at times). Also, there is a discussion going on somewhere about categorizing AfD. I can't find the link at the moment, but in a few more monhts that might be another good way to get involved.

Feel free to use the Eagle Scout box, or any other userbox on my page, none of them are mine :). Please let me know if you have any other questions or just want to chat. See you around the wiki!

--Hetar 06:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Image Copyright
I just realised you were a VandalProof moderator right as your message came through.

Let me outline the methodology that I use for image tagging:


 * 1) I ask myself if the image will actually be used for the benefit of Wikipedia. If it looks like some dorky picture, something that was used for vandalism only, or something only used in an article about to be speedied, I just tag it with or  (no source deletion or no license deletion) depending on which applies.
 * 2) If I can determine the appropriate license for the image myself, then I will go ahead and tag it. There is a pretty complete list of copyright tags at WP:IT. I get a lot of logos, albums and screenshots, which are usually something like  or  (for video games) . If it looks like a photograph that the user took themself, then I tag it with  . Normally self taken photos have a relatively large resolution, and often times they will have left a comment indicating that they took it in the edit summary. Most of the time its just a matter of picking a matching license from WP:IT, which gets easier after some practice.
 * 3) Sources for pictures are pretty important, however if the image is some sort of a screenshot, box cover, logo, or poster, normally the source is obvious, so I try not to make a big deal of it.
 * 4) Any image tagged with needs to have a fair use rationale provided. Normally this is just a couple of points that say this is fair use because no other images of it exist, its impossible to take another picture (ie, the building burned down or whatever), its of low resolution, etc. Images that don't have this rational can be tagged with.
 * 5) I would also recommend reading WP:FU (no pun intended) as it can point out some interesting cases where images do not qualify for fair use. Other fair use review tags include  and.
 * 6) Ocassionally you may come across images that appear to have a bogus license. For example, I came across an image of a bycicle from a manufacturers webpage today that was tagged with . In some instances you  may just want to retag these images with an appropriate fair use license, but remember, if it is reasonably possible for us to obtain another 'free' image of the same type then we reall shouldn't be using a fair use image. At any rate, images that have bogus licenses, or for which you dispute the license should be listed at WP:PUI with a short explanation of why the current license is invalid.
 * 7) Fair use images that are not used in any articles should be tagged with.
 * 8) Many users (new or otherwise) will upload an image and say something to the effect of "I talked to the author and they gave me permission to use it on Wikipedia" or, "They said we can use it as long as its not for commercial purposes." Both of these permissions are insufficient because we license our content to different entities (ex: answers.com) and in some cases the foundation makes money from these uses. Relevant tags for images like this are and.
 * 9) Images with a fair use tag that is obviously invalid (ie a tag that claims fair use as currency when the image is of a magazine cover) are eligible for speedy deletion and can be tagged Also, see Criteria for speedy deletion

Hopefully that covers everything :)

Here is the link for the list of merges: Category:Articles to be merged. There's no real technical tool used to do merges, its just good old copy and pasting. Normally you determine which article you want to remain and which article you want to turn into a redirect. Sometimes it will be obvious. Sometimes you may need to check Naming conventions. Hope that helps! As always, feel free to drop me a line. --Hetar 07:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Oops
Oh and I just realised, the first time I mentioned WP:PUI above, I meant WP:UI. Sometimes I get them confused :/. --Hetar 07:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Novels lists response
+ *Cat:Novels- is fairly empty, the last round was about 1 month old-(I re-ran the program when I updated the list a couple times:) Will generate if you or others respond that regeneration is wanted. Thanks, I assume you mean the "Novels without Infobox" list, I motored my way through the last rerun, rather too enthusiastically, (I did the same with the "Book stubs that should be Novel Stubs" one). It might be worth a short re-run (of both) just to put something in them for others to do. I'll leave those alone for some time to give others a chance to see the concept, and help out if they like. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  07:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC) + *Let's think about allowing others to join in on choosing the next categories to run. This is a wiki after all. I am ok with this now since we have the page up and moving. My concern is that you have contributed over 50% of the list... I would like to get other members of the project involved. Always our aim but persuding others to put in the work is a challenge, there are one or two stallwart helpers, (You obviously have a handle on who is actually doing the work so no need to mention) - part of the aim of the newsletter is to keep the project in the "public" consciousness, i.e. the members attention. Also if members are not active it might encourage more envolvement. Any more notions on how to publicise, envolve more gratefully received. Also I am considering how to envolve others in the editorial content of the newsletter. Let me know any thoughts you have. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  07:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, I think stick with the current criteria, no need to change now, the focus for main activity should be the current "Mystery novels", this is just to put "something" up in the other groups to give other an idea about their use. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  07:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * On the newsletter issue date, I hadn't really thought about that yet. Techinally it has to be within July, and I suppose I was thinking of bring the date gradually forward to the beginning of the month. However if you have a major development in the wings we can hold publication until it is ready. Also June is not yet on generaly release, your's was a pre-release to test it out with a few long time members. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  07:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Third opinion
I noticed you did some much-needed work on Third opinion. Thanks. Fagstein 08:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Next Novels Lists response
So many questions all at once!

Where should I put the first 'test' page
 * I would send it straight to "Project space", to WikiProject Novels/NovelsInCompleteInfobox and as you say not advertise it's existence widely yet. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  08:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I will be glad to write up a part of the newsletter every month
 * Great help, thanks. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  08:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Also is it possible to run agaist the actual book category, (looking for misplaced novels) in a similar fashon to book stub->novel stub (i.e. book->novel)?
 * How about looking at making the "book stub->novel stub" auto list a combined list. i.e. make the current list the top part and the category idea a second half. This would envolve a name change for the file to something like "Books_that_probably_should_be_novels" rather than the more restrictive current name. This would be like the NovelsWithoutInfobox list contains numbers of seperate categories already. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  08:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Ace stuff
Hi Eagle! I'm flattered you asked me about the Ace category issue. I left another comment on the NovelsWithoutInfobox project page. Just FYI - &hearts; Her Pegship &hearts; 04:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

forecasting techique
plz post the theory of forecasting technique —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.27.20 (talk • contribs)


 * ??? I am very puzzled here... the forecasting technique? I am utterly baffled. To what are we refering to? Eagle talk 02:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Autolist
Hi Eagle! Take your time on the films list. I'm taking a break and working on my original project (List of fiction works made into feature films). I'm trying to figure out which autolist you wanted me to take a look at -- is it books --> novels? Cheers - &hearts; Her Pegship &hearts; 15:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

anti-canadian
Can you tell me what is going wrong the mediation. I'm having trouble figuring out what's happening. jbolden1517Talk 23:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * OK this article is pretty clearly light hearted. It basically addresses comedy.  What you need to do is get people to change their focus to addressing this as a collection of comedy routines (i.e. inclusiveness).  You start reverting any deletions.  Enforce a "constructive edits only" policy, that means no major deletions without your OK.  Change to the goal to "we are trying to assemble a list with descriptions".   Remember you are the bad cop.  jbolden1517Talk  16:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't worry too much about it. Generally the best way to prove you are neutral is to be indifferent and ignorant of the topic.  If you know a lot about the topic and have opinions then you aren't neutral.  If you are neutral they generally will not come to believe you aren't neutral, remember you explain that you are reverting one sides deletions not just one side's.  Take charge the worst that happens is a failed mediation and another mediator can step in.  On the other hand if you are too wimpy they will ignore you and the mediation will fail.  jbolden1517Talk  11:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Let me know if you require assistance from a fellow mediator with knowledge of Canadian culture. -- Evanx  (tag?) 18:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

OK If you got the edit warring down. Stop begging them to stop fighting. If it doesn't stop soon announce rude comments will be re-factored. You run the debate they provide the raw material. jbolden1517Talk 23:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

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Next Novels Lists response - update?
Is there any update on your problems with the BOT code now you might be reachable again. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  16:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I think there should now be three


 * First, Books stubs -> to Novel stubs (copy from above)

How about looking at making the "book stub->novel stub" auto list a combined list. i.e. make the current list (stubs) the top part and the category idea a second half. This would envolve a name change for the file to something like "Books_that_probably_should_be_novels" rather than the more restrictive current name. This would be like the NovelsWithoutInfobox list contains numbers of seperate categories already


 * Second, NovelsWithoutInfobox

We did talk about rerunning at least the basic Novels section to give other more of an idea of other sections and if I leave them alone a bit more chance to work of them.


 * Third, Your new Incomplete Infobox project if ready

We can then see how close it is and aim to get the logic into shape before maybe an early July launch! That should keep us busy. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  06:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks again
Have a good evening... day. Wherever you are.. Ciao

2nd attempt
How's this--Johnny Smoke 06:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Book stubs that probably should be novel stubs‎
Thanks for re-running that one. You are going to get a large number of messages on these. So sit tight. Proposal the file name should change to "Books that should Novels". And we should propose that change along with the others on the GeneralForum (with crossref on the lists talk page) (not fussed who does it! - happy to do the work)


 * Thinking on the hoof is no good, thinking more WikiProject Novels/Book-to-Novel is a good name let's propose that. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  08:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

First though I was wondering why not add the 55 Novel category items found, I can't myself see the logic in not adding them at this stage. Also it would certianly make obvious to people what the changes mean and give a rationale for the name change. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  07:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, now I see they are not of the type I expected. Can you pick up any Category ending with "...books" and use those. Should produce a large harvest. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  08:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Now I really am confussed just realised that the 55 Novels was mentioned in the the Books to Novels context, so I now don't understand at all. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  08:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Books that should Novels
Once operational in this guise we could add searches on Category:History books that make use of the word novel, fiction etc. Also then we could use Category:Crime books that use the same terms. Other categories could easily be used. I would anticipate that the harvest from these would be low though. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  07:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

NovelsInCompleteInfobox list
Personally I would make the parameters checked the following (in order of priority)
 * 1) "name"
 * 2) "author"
 * 3) "publisher"
 * 4) "release date"
 * 5) "genre"
 * 6) "country"
 * 7) "language"
 * 8) "country"
 * 9) "isbn"

n.b. ISBN is interesting - even though it is a mandatory field - genuinely not all books have them - particularly before 1966.

the message suggested looks fine.

Also bear in mind that the parameter may be present and empty or not present (which will amount to the same thing). :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  08:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/NovelsWithoutInfobox
It looks to me as the Category:Novels has been "sorted" / "depopulated" of actual novel articles. SO, this leaves this with option of adding other "genres" or scanning other categories such as "yyyy novels". Could you try adding Category:Satirical novels, Category:Romance novels, Category:Political novels or anyothers that appear worth doing. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  09:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks Eagle for the quick help. Would you do me a favor and take a look at the discussion at Larry Brown and let me know if you think, on my talk page, whether a disambiguation page is warranted. Thanks. Kyros 04:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for helping me with my problem. Sorry about the edit conflict.--Later!!! Chili14 (Talk) 06:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Messages from sock for application testing
As the title says... I need my application to be able to recognize that a new message has been posted, hence the reason for me posting a message here :)Eagle 101 TESTACCOUNT 17:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That test worked Eagle talk 17:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Will Do - response to autolist question
No problem can wait - all your suggestions. Let see what the first draft looks like first then go from there. No time to think up new ideas at present. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  19:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism Channel
make a note on your talk page saying that you request access to the vandalism channel. Simple copy-paste:) Eagle talk 04:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)