User:Nvvchar/Archives/ February 2016

DYK for Yogatattva Upanishad
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mysore Sandalwood Oil
Hello! Your submission of Mysore Sandalwood Oil at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 12:20, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I have done the needed referencing of the hook text.-- Nvvchar . 12:29, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Please see new note on your DYK nomination. Yoninah (talk) 20:38, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Upanishad
Hi, I had noticed the discussion on WT:DYK about italicizing Upanishad or not. What did you decide to do? Yoninah (talk) 12:21, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * We are now italicizing the name of the Upanishads at the start of the artciles. We have also corrected some of the earlier articles also. Nvvchar . 12:57, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, but in Prep 2 you have Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad, which is the first time you've spelled it with all those dots and without the "h" in Upanishad. Yoninah (talk) 20:15, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Talkback
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DYK for Kundika Upanishad
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Monarchies in Africa
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Kamalapur Red Banana
Hello! Your submission of Kamalapur Red Banana at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! David Eppstein (talk) 07:04, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Varaha Upanishad
I reopened the nomination for you. Go ahead and suggest any other hooks. You may want to add Ms Sarah Welch to the credits. Best, Yoninah (talk) 12:18, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mysore Sandalwood Oil
Hello! Your submission of Mysore Sandalwood Oil at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! SusunW (talk) 21:47, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Katcheri
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Re Puri
W J Wilkins 1843-1902 was an English scholar on Hinduism and has written some books that are best seller to this day like Hindu Mythology Vedic and Puranic.He can be considered a scholarly reference Sidsahu (talk) 11:03, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

cool sir, now how about the four shankaracharya pithas, we can start with Govardhana matha i have photos Sidsahu (talk) 11:45, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

also none of the four shankaracharyas has a biography on wikipedia Sidsahu (talk) 11:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Articles
Which articles you are currently working now? I am fully busy in real life an only with Banaglore articles. Etc. --Tito Dutta (talk) 20:13, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) Bibliography of Bangalore
 * 2) Yamini (music festival)
 * 3) The Kitchen of Joy
 * 4) Eshwar Sundaresan

DYK for Ranikot Fort
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DYK for Yogashikha Upanishad
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DYK for Chowder
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Expansion
I'll nominate the writer's article for DYK. Could you expand this article a bit: My Days in the Underworld: Rise of the Bangalore Mafia? --Tito Dutta (talk) 17:02, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Done, .-- Nvvchar . 13:59, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Is the page hit tool to check hits of DYK artciles working on your server. It is not connecting in my server. Can you check on any of my recent DYK articles in the lead and tell me. Thanks.-- Nvvchar . 15:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Not it is not working here. --Tito Dutta (talk) 16:16, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Rebirth (sculpture)
Nvvchar, do you plan on returning to this review? It has been a week since you were pinged, though maybe the ping didn't go through properly. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Debopriya Chatterjee and Suchismita Chatterjee'
Hello! Your submission of Debopriya Chatterjee and Suchismita Chatterjee' at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  Jolly  Ω   Janner  00:50, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for 6 Ballygunge Place
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DYK for Kaushiki Chakraborty
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Amritabindu Upanishad
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Avyakta Upanishad
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Subhra Guha
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm Prof tpms. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Rama Tapaniya Upanishad, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Prof TPMS (talk) 10:10, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I have corrected the template of the 108 Upanishads and also added categories and removed the tags.-- Nvvchar . 12:29, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Narasipur Vijayaraghavachar Venkatanarasimhachar, I have started using NewPagesCurator only from today and the button was pressed accidentally. The message you have read as mine was machine generated.  These advanced tools create some confusion in the beginning, that is the problem. Regards, --Prof TPMS (talk) 14:28, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Tejobindu Upanishad
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Rama Tapaniya Upanishad and others
. I have completed this also. I have corrected the template of 108 Upanishads and there are ten more Upanishads to be completed. Among the temples, we could start with Hoysaleswara Temple and take it to GA. Pattadakal group of temples could be the next few.-- Nvvchar . 14:50, 13 February 2016 (UTC)


 * @Nvvchar: I will take a look after Niralamba. On other Upanishads, are you sure you have reliable sources? If we cannot be sure that our sources are WP:RS, we should avoid creating an article. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:44, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Please suggest a hook for the above Upanishad. I have also completed this Rama Rahasya Upanishad. But I have not used this by Dr. Sunder Hattangadi and P. R. Ramachander. Nvvchar . 13:16, 14 February 2016 (UTC)


 * @Nvvchar: In which WP:RS do you see support for Ramaahasya spelling for this edit? I see Ramarahasya in Deussen's page 557, and Rama-rahasya in Lamb's pages 191-193. Should the article title be Ramatapaniya Upanishad or Rama tapaniya Upanishad or Rama-tapaniya Upanishad (unless you have a WP:RS, we shouldn't capitalize the tapaniya word)? Hook suggestion: ...that Ramatapaniya Upanishad states Hindu god Rama is same as the Atman (soul) and Brahman (ultimate reality)? The support is in both Deussen and in Dodiya, as well as Hattangadi. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Dhyanabindu Upanishad
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DYK for Kathashruti Upanishad
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DYK for Shandilya Upanishad
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This week's article for improvement (week 7, 2016)
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DYK for Nirvana Upanishad
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

College Square,Kolkata
Hi, can you improve this? Spotted it on new pages.♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:31, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I have checked. It is not of any importance and the article can be deleted. There is, however, an article on College Street (Kolkata).-- Nvvchar . 04:40, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Nadabindu Upanishad
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for Sarvasara Upanishad
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Sarah Tenant-Flowers
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

This might be an area you are knowledgable
There is a bit of a content discussion at Ashvamedha and you might be just the person to settle things down -- and while you are at it, to review the article for accuracy. Montanabw (talk) 10:22, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Thanjavur Art Plate
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Paingala Upanishad
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Mysore Sandalwood Oil
Allen3 talk 00:24, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
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DYK for Mahanarayana Upanishad
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Sankheda furniture
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Kashmir papier-mâché
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Konkani Wikipedia
I have created Konkani Wikipedia article, please see if you can expand. --Tito Dutta (talk) 19:35, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Other than the Updanishads works, if you think there is any other very important work that recognition, please let me know. --Tito Dutta (talk) 19:35, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Detty Kurnia
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:01, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Copyright violation you created has been deleted
I have deleted Kashmir Walnut Wood Carving as a copyright violation of. I was quite shocked to see that you had created this, and hope that this is a one-off occurrence as no one will look forward to a copyright investigation of all your articles. This page was set to appear on the main page tomorrow. Fram (talk) 14:11, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Introducing major errors in articles
While so far I haven't found any obvious further copyvio's, many of your DYKs have clear errors because you apparently take sentences or paragraphs from other sources and rewrite them word for word, instead of understanding the meaning of what you read first and then rewriting the whole thing in your own words.

For example on Sarah Tenant-Flowers you wrote (and it still says) that "Sir Charles Groves, Peter Erdei of the Liszt Academy, Laszlo Heltay and Alan Hazeldine of the Guildhall were her class fellows." Actually, no, these were all teachers of her. "She studied with" doesn't mean that they studied together, but that she was their pupil. Charles Groves was born in 1915... The same article states "In March 2012, Tenant-Flowers was the conductor of Nick Bicât's Requiem for Cantata Dramatica, which was his debut public performance." Well, no, it was it's first UK public performance, the UK premiere of Requiem, nothing more or less. Nick Bicât has made public performances for decades.
 * I have made the corrections as suggested. -- Nvvchar . 07:22, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * More or less... You changed it to " which was his first UK public performance, the UK premiere of Requiem. " There is no indication (and many counterindications) of this being Bicât's first UK public performance. I've corrected it.

Another example: you got a DYK credit for Monarchies in Africa, where at first glance your only contribution was which is basically a bunch of hardly comprehensible half-truths poorly digested from here. You discuss "the pre-kingdom nomadic settlements of West Africa", while the source discusses "the pre-kingdom settlements of West Africa" and a "largely nomadic community" in North Africa! I am trying to grasp what you mean when you discuss "nomadic settlements", as these are diametrically opposite things. This piece of nonsense is still present in the article.
 * I made the change as suggested but User:Vinegarymass911 has made further changes to my edit. Pl see.-- Nvvchar . 07:22, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Can't blame Vinegarymass911 there, your edit did indeed make it only worse. And you ignored or forgot (or disagreed with) all the other points I made below about the same article. Fram (talk) 08:51, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I forgot about the other issues and definitely was not at all ignored them. I have corrected them now. Thanks-- Nvvchar . 11:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

In the same section, you claim "This is stated to be the reason for establishing the Monarchy of Mali in 1200 AD", but your source says "This is one theory for the rise of the kingdom of Mali in the 1200s CE". Hereby you introduce two errors in one sentence, changing "one theory" to "the reason" and changing "the 1200s" to "1200". In the next sentence, you do the same, changing "in the late 600s CE" to "in 600 AD". It's not as if the original is hard to understand, or that there isn't a better way to rephrase it ("late in the 7th century AD").

Continuing in the same section, you also seem to have a hard time understanding chronology. After mentioning kingdoms established in the 7th and thirteenth century AD, you state "Following this indigenous development of Kingdoms of Africa, more monarchies came to be established but with foreign interventions. One such intervention was by Rome in North Africa. The Kingdom of Numidia (in present-day Algeria) came to be established around 200 BC " (current version of the article). 200 BC is 800 to 900 years "before" the other kingdoms, so not really "following" the others at all. The source says "in addition", which can be changed to "Apart from" or "Next to" or whatever you prefer, but not "following" in this case. As for the "pirate" Masinisa (sic), perhaps you should have read our article Masinissa before labeling him thus... Fram (talk) 15:31, 24 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I'd assume Nvv forgot to remove something if there was a copyvio as in my experience of him he always takes extra care to avoid copyvios. It being a recurrent problem is extremely unlikely. And in doing so as you say though, sometimes that can lead to misinterpretation. Some of it Fram is common to a lot of editors where English isn't their first language. Overall Nvv is doing good work and puts in a lot more effort here than some of the mouthy veterans combined, so at least acknowledge that. We are all volunteers, so it's not really your place to give him a grilling. Obviously we'd prefer to avoid some of those issues if possible though.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:01, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

If I may add my two cents (as a bystander), I was impressed by the vast amount of content contributed by Mr Nvvchar. And don't get me wrong, majority of his contributions are terrific and he has done much to improve the project but instances like these undermine that tremendous effort. Fram means well too -- I am also of the opinion that gigantic paragraphs filled with tons of words can be bamboozling at times, and unfortunately this has shown to be true at times. One must be careful to present information as accurately as possible. But keep the good stuff coming Nvv, you will overtake Blofeld someday (when Bond takes him down in the castle of death) and you certainly still are an inspiration to all of us. Kingoflettuce (talk) 16:09, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I know that Fram means well and is often right about things, but sometimes he can be a bit abrasive with his criticism and treat well-meaning editors as vandals. Seems as I contribute very little these days I'm sure surprised that Nvv doesn't already have more DYKs. And let's be honest 2/3 of the ones I have wouldn't be there if it wasn't for Nvv and Rosie.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:13, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * If you contribute in a few days time one article that needs to be deleted, and multiple articles that get to the main page but have serious factual errors introduced by you, then you are in a way worse than a vandal: vandals are usually easy to spot and get reversed in general rather soon, certainly on pages with lots of views: but well established editors with lots of DYKs and GAs get much less scrutiny, and what they produce is accepted at face-value and remains for much longer. The intention is completely different, but the end result, articles with completely incorrect and sometimes nonsensical information, is the same.
 * My impression is that Nvvchar simply needs to slow down considerably, and take more care to get his articles right. Fram (talk) 20:32, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I suppose that it a potential flaw in veteran, accomplished editors. A few years back Cwmhiraeth was likewise criticised for introducing scientific garbage based on incorrect reading or interpretation of sources. Kingoflettuce (talk) 02:41, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Team work sure makes the dream work eh. Getting to where you're at now (articles created, DYK creds) is surely like climbing the Himalayas a few times. ;-) Just a newbie, but I'm not clowning about, ready to follow in your footsteps and contribute to the project! Cheers Kingoflettuce (talk) 02:48, 25 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I assume good faith in everyone. So,, thanks for noticing an issue and speaking up. And, Nvv, if you slow down a bit, that will probably be helpful; and if you need a second set of eyes or an article needs a c/e, just ping me and I'm here for you. As for you, , you are the biggest inspiration! --Rosiestep (talk) 03:39, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

It's simply frustrating to see someone create so many articles with many basic errors, instead of fewer articles which get the facts correct. Take Kamalapur Red Banana, which was correctly rejected at Template:Did you know nominations/Kamalapur Red Banana. Apart from the criticism given there, it also contains claims like


 * "The area around Kamalapur village with in the geographical range of 13°06′50″N 77°33′08″E and 17°46′36″N 77°50′21″E ": the "geographical range" given is massive, basically from Bengaluru to Hyderabad, and doesn't match the "official" range at all: "Longitude: 76°5’ to 77°42’ East Longitude. Latitude: 16°12’ to 17°46’ North Latitude".
 * I have removed reference to coordinates as I am not sure of what is given in the reference.
 * Yes, but you now also removed the reference to Kamalapur, claiming that it is only cultivated in two villages when the source says "Kamalapur and surrounding areas such as..." which isn't the same thing of course. Fram (talk) 08:51, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * "The peduncle pubescent is set at 50 degree angle to the stem."? Not really, the peduncle is pubescent and the "position of mature bunch approximately 50° to the stem" (same source). The peduncle is no the same as the bunches...
 * My misunderstanding. I have now deleted the sentence.


 * "a circular base of 3.2 ft diameter"? Hardly, same source again gives a "circumference at base 3-3.2 feet" which doesn't say that it is circular, and more importantly which gives a diameter of about 1 ft only.
 * Corrected now
 * More or less: "in circumstance" is not the same as "in circumference" at all, and you used a reference instead of a convert template. Fram (talk) 08:51, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * "Each bunch has 5 to 7 fruits and are separated by a distance of 15 fingers." I guess this is a very loose interpretation of "Hands: 5 to 7 in a bunch; 15-20 fingers in a bunch" A "bunch" is normally the same as a "hand", and more importantly here the "fingers" are the individual bananas, not some unusual measure used in banana growing.
 * My misunderstanding. I have deleted the sentence.

Basically, if you don't understand what you are writing about, either leave the information out completely or take more time to familiarize yourself with the subject. Guessing what the source means and writing something that superficially resembles it only leads to the above situations. And of course, when you get criticism and corrections (at the DYK discussion, or here), respond to the criticism and correct the problems. You have withdrawn the DYK but didn't change anything at the article; and you have edited since the copyvio and errors report, but neither to correct the problems nor even to acknowledge them or to discuss things. Fram (talk) 12:14, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I have moved Kamalapur Red Banana to User:Nvvchar/Kamalapur Red Banana so you can address the problems with it in your own time. Fram (talk) 13:09, 25 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I have complied to all above observations in User:Nvvchar/Kamalapur Red Banana and other articles mentioned earlier. Pl see. I have taken your cue and decided to go slow on my article postings on DYK. Nvvchar . 07:22, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking at these and for slowing down. Fram (talk) 08:51, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I have made some more corrections in Kalapur artcile. Can it be moved back to maon pace now? Nvvchar . 14:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Carrie A. Tuggle
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 25 February 2016 (UTC)


 * " It was the first school in Birmingham in which black men and women were co-helpers.[1][2]" Not in the sources, and (less importantly) not in the body of the text, where everything from the lead should be repeated and expanded.
 * "In Birmingham, Tuggle held the position of Alabama Order of Calanhe from 1891 to 1899". There is no position of that name. The Alabama Order of Calanthe (not Calanhe) is an organization, and Carrie Tuggle was its Grand Worthy Counsellor from 1899 to 1901. You source this as well to which has nothing even remotely resembling this, and this which is the right source but has no information on what her role was in 1891, so no idea where you got that from.
 * "She also sought support from the philanthropists of Birmingham’s White Community Members of the Club" No source seems to discuss this "White Community Members of the Club", and the source has no indication of what this Club is supposed to be.
 * " financial backing from Louis Pitz and his wife and A. B. Loveman.": that's Louis Pizitz (not Pitz), founder of Pizitz.


 * "Armstrong did much towards the cause of women's suffrage in Jefferson County, " Armstrong?

And so on... The article is on the other hand rather incomplete, e.g. the fact that she created and edited a newspaper (the Birmingham Truth) between 1902 and 1910 is not mentioned at all. Or the fact that she wasn't only African-American: her father was one of the last chiefs of the Mohawks.this and other sources. Fram (talk) 12:55, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I could not respond earlier as my internet was not functioning. I have addressed all your concerns on the talk page of the article. Nvvchar . 06:57, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Navalgund Durries
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DYK for Puri
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