User:Ottava Rima/B

Welcome to Ottava Rima's pre-RfA. This has been changed into a vote to see if he should even bother. Support is not to say that you should support an actual RfA. Far from it. So, feel free to say whatever and enjoy. Comments and questions wont be responded to, so, keep that in mind.

If this page has over 25 supports and over 85% supporting percentage, I will run on April 1st. It will end April 1st.

Nomination
[ Voice your opinion] (|talk page) (0/0/0); Scheduled to end 23:59 31 March 2009

Let me make this clear - this application is not a joke. If you vote support, you better be willing to live with that fact if I do become an admin. But lets get down to business. Many people here know me. If you don't... well, there isn't much to say. I don't really -want- to be an admin in the fullest sense, which will be explained later. This RfA is basically the result of over 4 months of pushing from various individuals. But enough about me, lets talk about me : )

To be clear, I am a jerk. I am also an ass, a douche, a troll, a bastard, Satan, Hitler, and many of the other names that have been thrown at me. I have probably voted delete for your page or keep for your AfD nom. I have probably opposed your RfA or called for your being desysop (if you are an admin). I have probably called into question your integrity, intelligence, or some other word beginning with an "I" sometime during my career. I have probably infuriated you without even having to resort to cuss words.

Should I be an admin? I really don't know. The community might not think so, but the community is a surprising thing when you give them a chance to express how they really feel. I would think that I have an easier chance having Jimbo just sysop me, but, to be honest, I doubt he would even if I had Cary Bass's position and needed to be sysop'ed. :) But seriously, I have spent a lot of time admining as you can see if you ever venture over to Wikiversity. During my time there, I have cleaned up redirect messes, gone through CSDs, dealt with deletion issues, IP blocks for both trolls and bot spamming, and was a major participant in a community wide ban of a user who will go unnamed but many people here would know of those events. Now, to be fair, I have asked that there will be five people to type up short noms that are positive for my RfA and five to type up short noms that are negative. Everyone is curious about how this would turn out, regardless if they support me or not. So yes, here goes my one and only RfA, unless I get really drunk in the future and people convince me to go through this again. Ottava Rima (talk)

Ottava Rima...a distasteful name in many members of the community's mouths. However, while he can be a drama-whore at times and a troll at others, Ottava does do a substantial amount of positive work here, as witnessed by Samuel Johnson, Rosalind Picard and Nicolò Giraud. The first, which Ottava is a substantial contributor to, is now a featured article; the second was a heavily disputed biography of a living person that he was involved on and helped bridge the conflicting sides, and the third was one that he was involved in a heavy dispute with a person who wanted the individual to be described as a pederast.
 * Positive Nom 1

I've been in a dispute with him before during the FAC for USS Connecticut (BB-18), but his checking of the prose for plagiarism, no matter how much I hated it, did make the article better in the end. Since then, I've had him check two other articles I have written for the same problem, and they were extremely beneficial to the articles in question.

I don't think that anyone can dispute that Ottava does good here on the project, and that's what you should be voting on. Could he do better with civility? Of course; I don't think anyone would say no. But, would he block or use his admin powers in a dispute in which he is a party in? No. Would he use the tools wisely? As evidenced by Wikiversity, yes. Would he be a net positive as an admin? Sure&mdash;the drama-ing will come up whether he is an admin or not. Cheers, — Ed 17  (Talk /  Contribs)  17:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Candidate has no haiku whatsoever on his user page. Also, the complete lack of userboxes strongly suggests that the candidate is ready to post some really offensive ones once he is granted adminship. Finally, he has not given out as many barnstars as should be required. Keepscases (talk) 21:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Negative Nom 1


 * Positive Nom 2

The candidate does not intend to self-nominate. Like a friendly community member, he instead looked around for wiser or longer-living-in-the-wiki-world nominators. In addition, the ten nominations for this user, suggesting that so many people just jumped at the chance to nominate him, for they loved him just that much. He loves to hang around places where administrators already hang out and uses IRC, so he would be a perfect fit to the administrators' IRC channel. He brings sharp, constructive criticism to these places, which is exactly what all of the other wonderful administrators do. I see just a few downsides to Ottava Rima. For one, he is completely inexperienced with administrator tools, having never used any sekret or even not-sekret bot script on his account. The user has also written two featured articles and countless not officially-recognized ones, which makes him clearly too experienced as a prospective nominee. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 21:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Negative Nom 2


 * Positive Nom 3

I have had many good encounters with Ottava, but some bad to be fair. Sometimes I've been right, sometimes I've been not as right. When I'm not so right I like to last out at him as a substitute for argument, call it like I see it is; I can do that with a non-admin. If he was an admin, I'd be in serious trouble, and be vanished before I could say, "O yeah? Fuck your theor...". Not good for me. I urge the community to regect the application so I can carry on as before, effing and blinding as I see fit. Ceoil (talk) 23:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Negative Nom 3


 * Positive Nom 4

Notice the title of this page, "User:Ottava Rima/B" - user is clearly a troll. Trolls being granted adminship, however, is something new, and I'm always up for some change. So, [comment removed by troll]!  iMatthew //  talk  //  01:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Negative Nom 4


 * Positive Nom 5


 * Negative Nom 5


 * Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept.

Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:
 * 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
 * A: I don't like to block people. I don't like to delete pages that people work on. I have no problem voicing an opinion in these areas, but they have always left a bad taste in my mouth. What tools would I use? Well, I would definitely use the ability to read deleted pages to help in reviewing problems, helping those to create new articles without the previous one's problem, and other similar things. I would also use that ability to help with history merges. I would use the tools to edit protected pages when it is necessary and also to protect pages (example - images on the mainpage, which get neglected). I would use the tools as leverage to discuss unblocks with other admin, in advocating for users where no one else is willing to defend, and participating in ArbCom enforcement to ensure that there is fair treatment on all sides. I would also help out in Conflict of Interest cases. I would not work unilaterally, and my previous experience with sysop tools always involved constant communication with others while performing actions.


 * 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
 * A: I don't really like this question. I never had, and I never will. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. As such, good contributors should be in the background and invisible. Its not about "me me me" after all. I believe that too many problems come from people thinking only of their best contributions and ignoring the point of the place.


 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * A: As stated above, I've probably stepped on most people's toes. I'm sure the opposes will come up with new and exciting things to look at, so, here's to them. Now, I will state that I will not respond to the opposes. I believe that the opposes have their right to express their views. I also have a running joke with many others that I will be indef blocked before I can get "over 9,000" contribs, so, any responses would hasten that event.


 * 4. What is the difference between a block and a ban?
 * A: I was involved in a ban on a user at Wikiversity. It was a nasty situation. It took a lot of discussion and involved Jimbo's help. The user continued to use multiple ISPs to come back and continue plaguing the community. I really hate bans. I find them necessary sometimes, but only as a last resort and only when people are willing to go all the way to ensure that the individual cannot come back. Indef blocks and bans tend to fuel sock puppetry and users doing whatever they can to try and get revenge. Blocks don't necessary have this result. I don't like blocks either, but I can see a time and a purpose for them. Many are too harsh, and some are too light. The worse blocks are those done unilaterally and by an admin who refuses to talk to other admin or the blocked user. Lack of communication only encourages problematic behavior.


 * 5. Would you delete the mainpage?
 * A: Yes, for 100 dollars. I would block Jimbo for 200 dollars or any member of ArbCom for 500 dollars. Furthermore, I would delete all pages on Intelligent Design, Scientology, Ayn Rand, or any current politician for free simply to remove all the constant fighting from the community.


 * 6. You say you would not block people you are in dispute in, yet it would seem you would engineer this at a hairs breath, to take an example from today only/ Explain please why you would block somebody like Yo over a matter of openion and taste. Ceoil (talk) 08:59, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A: There is a clear difference between bringing someone up over a noticeboard and blocking someone yourself. That should have been obvious, but it wasn't to you (via your question) or to Bishonen, which is strange. Regardless, it was clear hyperbole, which the "if this was a BLP..." should have tipped off this point to anyone reading.
 * It was a veiled treat, and you know it. Stop with the which is strange. You should be aware at this stage of the effect of the careless words you toss out so easily and so often. Want diffs? If you do, this will get very interesting to me; now its just a ego rsmp. Ceoil (talk) 22:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Let me be blunt, and this will be the last response you will ever get from me, because this is ridiculous - Unless you think a woman who has been dead for 100 years is anything close to a BLP, it is not a threat. If you do think that there is a connection and it is a threat, then, well, the only response to you would be a series of insults questioning your intelligence, because such a thing is one of the most ridiculous and absurd things ever.

General comments

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Nomination
[ Voice your opinion] (|talk page) (0/0/0); Scheduled to end 23:59 31 March 2009

Let me make this clear - this application is not a joke. If you vote support, you better be willing to live with that fact if I do become an admin. But lets get down to business. Many people here know me. If you don't... well, there isn't much to say. I don't really -want- to be an admin in the fullest sense, which will be explained later. This RfA is basically the result of over 4 months of pushing from various individuals. But enough about me, lets talk about me : )

To be clear, I am a jerk. I am also an ass, a douche, a troll, a bastard, Satan, Hitler, and many of the other names that have been thrown at me. I have probably voted delete for your page or keep for your AfD nom. I have probably opposed your RfA or called for your being desysop (if you are an admin). I have probably called into question your integrity, intelligence, or some other word beginning with an "I" sometime during my career. I have probably infuriated you without even having to resort to cuss words.

Should I be an admin? I really don't know. The community might not think so, but the community is a surprising thing when you give them a chance to express how they really feel. I would think that I have an easier chance having Jimbo just sysop me, but, to be honest, I doubt he would even if I had Cary Bass's position and needed to be sysop'ed. :) But seriously, I have spent a lot of time admining as you can see if you ever venture over to Wikiversity. During my time there, I have cleaned up redirect messes, gone through CSDs, dealt with deletion issues, IP blocks for both trolls and bot spamming, and was a major participant in a community wide ban of a user who will go unnamed but many people here would know of those events. Now, to be fair, I have asked that there will be five people to type up short noms that are positive for my RfA and five to type up short noms that are negative. Everyone is curious about how this would turn out, regardless if they support me or not. So yes, here goes my one and only RfA, unless I get really drunk in the future and people convince me to go through this again. Ottava Rima (talk)

Ottava Rima...a distasteful name in many members of the community's mouths. However, while he can be a drama-whore at times and a troll at others, Ottava does do a substantial amount of positive work here, as witnessed by Samuel Johnson, Rosalind Picard and Nicolò Giraud. The first, which Ottava is a substantial contributor to, is now a featured article; the second was a heavily disputed biography of a living person that he was involved on and helped bridge the conflicting sides, and the third was one that he was involved in a heavy dispute with a person who wanted the individual to be described as a pederast.
 * Positive Nom 1

I've been in a dispute with him before during the FAC for USS Connecticut (BB-18), but his checking of the prose for plagiarism, no matter how much I hated it, did make the article better in the end. Since then, I've had him check two other articles I have written for the same problem, and they were extremely beneficial to the articles in question.

I don't think that anyone can dispute that Ottava does good here on the project, and that's what you should be voting on. Could he do better with civility? Of course; I don't think anyone would say no. But, would he block or use his admin powers in a dispute in which he is a party in? No. Would he use the tools wisely? As evidenced by Wikiversity, yes. Would he be a net positive as an admin? Sure&mdash;the drama-ing will come up whether he is an admin or not. Cheers, — Ed 17  (Talk /  Contribs)  17:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Candidate has no haiku whatsoever on his user page. Also, the complete lack of userboxes strongly suggests that the candidate is ready to post some really offensive ones once he is granted adminship. Finally, he has not given out as many barnstars as should be required. Keepscases (talk) 21:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Negative Nom 1


 * Positive Nom 2

The candidate does not intend to self-nominate. Like a friendly community member, he instead looked around for wiser or longer-living-in-the-wiki-world nominators. In addition, the ten nominations for this user, suggesting that so many people just jumped at the chance to nominate him, for they loved him just that much. He loves to hang around places where administrators already hang out and uses IRC, so he would be a perfect fit to the administrators' IRC channel. He brings sharp, constructive criticism to these places, which is exactly what all of the other wonderful administrators do. I see just a few downsides to Ottava Rima. For one, he is completely inexperienced with administrator tools, having never used any sekret or even not-sekret bot script on his account. The user has also written two featured articles and countless not officially-recognized ones, which makes him clearly too experienced as a prospective nominee. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 21:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Negative Nom 2


 * Positive Nom 3

I have had many good encounters with Ottava, but some bad to be fair. Sometimes I've been right, sometimes I've been not as right. When I'm not so right I like to last out at him as a substitute for argument, call it like I see it is; I can do that with a non-admin. If he was an admin, I'd be in serious trouble, and be vanished before I could say, "O yeah? Fuck your theor...". Not good for me. I urge the community to regect the application so I can carry on as before, effing and blinding as I see fit. Ceoil (talk) 23:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Negative Nom 3


 * Positive Nom 4


 * Negative Nom 4


 * Positive Nom 5


 * Negative Nom 5


 * Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept.

Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:
 * 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
 * A: I don't like to block people. I don't like to delete pages that people work on. I have no problem voicing an opinion in these areas, but they have always left a bad taste in my mouth. What tools would I use? Well, I would definitely use the ability to read deleted pages to help in reviewing problems, helping those to create new articles without the previous one's problem, and other similar things. I would also use that ability to help with history merges. I would use the tools to edit protected pages when it is necessary and also to protect pages (example - images on the mainpage, which get neglected). I would use the tools as leverage to discuss unblocks with other admin, in advocating for users where no one else is willing to defend, and participating in ArbCom enforcement to ensure that there is fair treatment on all sides. I would also help out in Conflict of Interest cases. I would not work unilaterally, and my previous experience with sysop tools always involved constant communication with others while performing actions.


 * 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
 * A: I don't really like this question. I never had, and I never will. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. As such, good contributors should be in the background and invisible. Its not about "me me me" after all. I believe that too many problems come from people thinking only of their best contributions and ignoring the point of the place.


 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * A: As stated above, I've probably stepped on most people's toes. I'm sure the opposes will come up with new and exciting things to look at, so, here's to them. Now, I will state that I will not respond to the opposes. I believe that the opposes have their right to express their views. I also have a running joke with many others that I will be indef blocked before I can get "over 9,000" contribs, so, any responses would hasten that event.


 * 4. What is the difference between a block and a ban?
 * A: I was involved in a ban on a user at Wikiversity. It was a nasty situation. It took a lot of discussion and involved Jimbo's help. The user continued to use multiple ISPs to come back and continue plaguing the community. I really hate bans. I find them necessary sometimes, but only as a last resort and only when people are willing to go all the way to ensure that the individual cannot come back. Indef blocks and bans tend to fuel sock puppetry and users doing whatever they can to try and get revenge. Blocks don't necessary have this result. I don't like blocks either, but I can see a time and a purpose for them. Many are too harsh, and some are too light. The worse blocks are those done unilaterally and by an admin who refuses to talk to other admin or the blocked user. Lack of communication only encourages problematic behavior.


 * 5. Would you delete the mainpage?
 * A: Yes, for 100 dollars. I would block Jimbo for 200 dollars or any member of ArbCom for 500 dollars. Furthermore, I would delete all pages on Intelligent Design, Scientology, Ayn Rand, or any current politician for free simply to remove all the constant fighting from the community.


 * 6. You say you would not block people you are in dispute in, yet it would seem you would engineer this at a hairs breath, to take an example from today only/ Explain please why you would block somebody like Yo over a matter of openion and taste. Ceoil (talk) 08:59, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A: There is a clear difference between bringing someone up over a noticeboard and blocking someone yourself. That should have been obvious, but it wasn't to you (via your question) or to Bishonen, which is strange. Regardless, it was clear hyperbole, which the "if this was a BLP..." should have tipped off this point to anyone reading.
 * It was a veiled treat, and you know it. Stop with the which is strange. You should be aware at this stage of the effect of the careless words you toss out so easily and so often. Want diffs? If you do, this will get very interesting to me; now its just a ego rsmp. Ceoil (talk) 22:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Let me be blunt, and this will be the last response you will ever get from me, because this is ridiculous - Unless you think a woman who has been dead for 100 years is anything close to a BLP, it is not a threat. If you do think that there is a connection and it is a threat, then, well, the only response to you would be a series of insults questioning your intelligence, because such a thing is one of the most ridiculous and absurd things ever.
 * You are remarkably unself aware of the effect of your style of argument. You seem to care not. Thanks for reconfirming what I already knew. Ceoil (talk) 20:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Support Run. It's April 1 after all. And 25 is way too high. I doubt 25 people even know of this. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 00:54, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Support I'd vote for ya. But my standards are quite low :p  —  Jake   Wartenberg  01:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Support; I'd vote for you. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I think you are unlikely to pass unless you can get some lovely civil servant chappies to post one of these, but there's always that off chance. Ironholds (talk) 01:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Support Come on, don't let us down, we've been waiting for this! Soap Talk/Contributions 03:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Support I'll throw caution to the wind and ignore what common sense tells me is best. I'll give anybody a second chance or third or fourth or fifth or sixth or seventh or eighth or ninth or tenth or eleventh or thelfth or thirthennth or fourteenth or fifteenth or sixteenth or seventeenth or eighteenth or nineteenth and even a twentieth chance. April Fools, will only go to ten! --Doug Coldwell talk 20:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Support &lowast; \ / (⁂) 21:05, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) Support As much as you are a troll, you're a net positive, and I think that you know the line and you know where the hell you're supposed to behave and where the hell you aren't. Seriously, 25 votes is too high a line. --Neskaya talk 03:30, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) It'll be bad.  bibliomaniac 1  5  02:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Isn't that the point? It's April 1. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 02:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose - User is a known troll who displays a clear lack of self-awareness. If you read his answers to the questions and responses to others above (and, really, anywhere on the project) as if he is yelling with angry eyebrows, it really casts him in a different light. A light that clearly indicates he does not have the attitude appropriate for an administrator. Furthermore, as it is against policy to post logs from IRC, I will not do so (I can provide them via email upon request), but I cannot support a user with such poor taste in women. The models he has proclaimed in IRC as the hottest are just... well, to be polite, not. Then last, and also least, his userpage is boring. And I think he's a vampire.  Lara  ❤  Love  04:29, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) 24.236.120.207 (talk) 16:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2)  Lucifer  (Talk)  16:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  Wizardman  02:34, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2)  NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 02:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)