User:Paulbrock/Pubs

Intro
This is the (very basic) start to organising information on Public Houses, Bars and Drinking Establishments of note. Wikipedia has limited coverage, and of more concern, a high proportion of articles on pubs get deleted regularly.

Scope
I have an interest/bias towards English/UK pubs of note, but I suggest we include pubs and bars across the world. Possibly also members' clubs/gentlemen's clubs (the old definition!). Lists of pubs.

To be excluded: People (e.g. Landlords), Drinks (even signature drinks), Restaurants (how about gastropubs?!)

Todo

 * 1) Firstly find, tag and watch current pub articles, I suspect there's a high turnover being AfD.
 * 2) Make links with appropriate other Wikiprojects such as WikiProject_Beer, WikiProject_Cocktails, WikiProject England, WikiProject London and WikiProject Architecture that may have an interest in supported pub articles.
 * 3) Add appropriate new articles and enhance current articles to ensure they meet Wikipedia criteria and are not deleted

Notability
"A topic is notable if it has received significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Notability

Note that this establishes what IS notable, not what is NOT notable.

Reasons why a pub may be notable:


 * 1) very old, e.g. 200yrs+ (is this enough, or would it have to be oldest pub in x?) - King%27s_Head_Inn%2C_Aylesbury
 * 2) listed building The_George_Inn%2C_Southwark
 * 3) noted events happened there e.g. The_Freemasons_Arms
 * 4) 'famous' bars due to design/ownership e.g. Medicine_Bar
 * 5) noted patrons (again is this enough, the Krays' hangouts yes, but Billie Piper's local?) - Blind_Beggar
 * 6) unusual pub names/origins - tenuous? - The_Cremorne%2C_Sheffield
 * 7) pubs that have had an significant influence on an area e.g. Angel, Islington, Nag%27s_Head%2C_London, Elephant_and_Castle
 * 8) Music/theatre venue, played by noted acts e.g. The_Grapes%2C_Sheffield
 * 9) Featured in notable plays, shows, films, paintings, etc. - again this could be tenuous, but if an existing pub is the setting for a Dickens novel, I'd think it was notable. Pillars_of_Hercules_%28pub%29
 * 10) 'Popular' pubs?  If there's somewhere that e.g. everyone going to Brighton must visit, or has a reputation outside of it's own town would this count?  Not easily verifiable..

Pubs probably not notable:


 * 1) ones that have just opened/open for < 5 yrs (i.e. if a new bar opens in town it probably shouldn't be listed on Wikipedia until meeting any of the above)
 * 2) chains? Unless previous owner/name had a notable history, a new All Bar One opening in Chiswick is unlikely to be notable.
 * 3) rural pubs? I mention this as they are unlikely to meet criteria 3, 5, 8 or 9.  However they may be of significant influence in the community and may well meet 1 or 2.

Quote

"Notability is not an official policy, the term Notability is often very subjective and it is not mentioned in any of the official policy about deletion. Generally speaking Wikipedia official policy dictates that we only delete things when:


 * ) Articles break and cannot fix some of these four rules: Neutral point of view, Verifiability, No original research, or the copyright policy (Copyrights).

OR

Therefore .....articles deserve a place on Wikipedia as long as they continue to maintain such standards, and wikipedia contributors are willing to continue to write them. .... Wikipedia is not an academic encyclopedia limited to academic topics, and it is not a paper encyclopedia with practical limits to the number of topics we can cover other than verifiability and the other points described in WP:Not " -- Paxomen 16:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC), adapted from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Buffyverse
 * ) They are very much included with the detailed descriptions of What Wikipedia is not. This includes in summary not a dictionary, not a publisher of original thought, not a soapbox, not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files, not a free host, blog, webspace provider or social networking site. The section that is often abused is Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, which at first sight might seem a useful phrase to delete whatever we don't like. However that section actually offers details to how such a directive should be used, offering eight specific examples: Lists of Frequently Asked Questions, Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics, Travel guides, Memorials, News reports, Genealogical entries, or phonebook entries, Directories, directory entries, or a resource for conducting business, Instruction manuals.

Please feel free to add any suggestions!!

See Also:Talk:Notable_British_public_houses

useful categories
Category:Pub_stubs

Category:Drinking_establishments

Category:Public_houses_in_the_United_Kingdom and decendents

Category:Public_houses_in_London

Category:Pub chains

Notable_British_public_houses