User:Pedro/CUOS2009


 * Arbitration Committee/CheckUser and Oversight elections/August 2009/Oversight/Jennavecia

I have opposed Jennavecia / Lara Love as I personally belive she forwarded or revealed the contents of an email I sent to her to User:The undertow. This is based on edits by The undertow referencing my real name. For obvious reasons I am not going to provide diffs, but The undertow's defence that he worked out my real name through my username remains, in my opinion, unlikely in the extreme. Jennavecia is a hard working admin and her approach to BLP forthright and positive - but she will never have my trust. Thus I oppose. 21:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Disgusting. I never shared an email with him from you. Lara  22:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Why would you think it unlikely? It's very easy to find out your real name Pedro – it took me less than a minute to do so (in case anyone considers this stalking, or malicious in any way, it isn't, I'm just trying to prove a point). Why do you consider The undertow's defence "unlikely in the extreme"?  Majorly  talk  22:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, I just want to add, I just did what I assume Majorly did, and it makes it pretty clear from your user name what your real name could be. Not to mention, at that time, we'd seen pics of you, like your BRC pic, so we knew you probably weren't born with the name Pedro. I don't share people's personal information. I know a lot of Wikipedian's real names, and I am always careful not to use their names outside of specific circles wherein all others are aware of their names as well. Lara  00:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, then let us put two issues here. One, that it is indeed easy to work out my real name. Fair enough. But when challenged by Ryan, The_undertow explained that my first name is an anglicised version of Pedro and that's how he worked it out - as opposed to, for example, that he did what Majorly did. Cummon - that's not real is it? If my username was "Marcus The Third" and I identified as British would you assume my first name is Mark? If my username was was "Gerry Mander" would you assume my name was Gerald? Is RodHullAndEmu called Rodney? The leap from one to the next strecthes all credulity. When you created Lara Love there was no reason on earth I'd suspect you were actualy called Lara. Bottom line Jenna, I do not trust you with oversight and I do believe you revealed my real name to The_undertow - either via text, conversation, IRC, email or whatever. But, given that there is reasonable ambiguity I shall strike the above comment. Pedro : Chat  06:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I suggest you abstain, Pedro, like I did after and, which I assumed were fair enough reason.  ceran  thor  11:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

So, in striking, you've done what? Absolutely nothing. That's fine. Remove my name from here. If you don't trust my word, you shouldn't trust me not yank you off your pedestal if given the opportunity. I'm a fair person and I wouldn't do that, but you surely don't trust me, so take it off. Lara 18:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No - I don't trust you to handle Oversight. I'm suprised you can't see the difference between not trusting you to handle BLP's (which you do excellently) or your admin work (again, excellent) or your article work (again excellent) against handling a whole different tool that has ramifications far broader than the above. As for my "pedestal" that's fucking laughable coming from Lara "you'll never get my bit" Love. Pedro : Chat  20:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * First, I refer to all admins as being on pedestals. A long-running joke. Second, the "you'll never get my bit" is another joke. I've got pretty damn simple recall criteria and would honor it. Not to mention, I'd give my bit up in an instant if I could pick five admins to take out with me. Finally, this isn't about Oversight. You've called me a liar. If you don't trust my word, Pedro, you shouldn't trust me at all. Lara  21:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you can refer to all admins on pedestals but that, surely is your issue. I'll let it go that the "never give my bit up" comment shortly after your RFA was a "joke".... didn't really seem like it at the time to be honest. Thirdly, I did not call you a liar ( love to ask for a diff, but ROFLCOPTER eh?) but I believe you are being less than truthful (there is a distinction - generally Americans miss it so I don't expect you to be any different). Maybe you didn't send my email to The_Undertow. But did you mention my name via text, other email, IRC ....... What was that President you lot had - Billy Clinton or someone - get my drift? Whatever, you clearly are so single minded that trust is total or not at all - good luck to your belief system on that. I feel trust can be partial. I do not trust you with oversight permissions. I do trust you to do your best. Do you get the difference? As I know you are a parent hopefully you can see where I'm coming from. Best. Pedro : Chat  21:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I told you that I didn't give him your name, but you're still saying that I did... so then, were you're right, that would make me... oh, a liar! Not to mention, you're now saying that you think I'm lying (or... not telling the truth?) about comments I've made being jokes. I could go diff diving for the many times I've used the pedestal comment, but I'm unmotivated. And I have fairly simple recall criteria, which I would honor; so how does that make me one of the countless admins who wouldn't give up their bit unless it was pried from their cold, dead hand? I made that joke like two days ago, too, by the way. Not just after my RFA. So yea, anyway, that said, I told you via email, "I never gave Chip your name." So this isn't some Bill Clinton-esque side-stepping, where I play with words to tell the truth through obfuscation. I didn't give the man your name. I didn't email your name, I didn't text message your name, I didn't send your name via web messenger (any of them), I didn't say your name by voice, I didn't send your name in a letter or on a postcard, I didn't sky-write your name above his head, I didn't plaster your name on a billboard, put your name in the paper, publish your name in a book, or concentrate really hard to send him your name through telepathy. At no time, with any form of communication, have I ever given Chip your name. And, again, this isn't about oversight. If you don't trust someone's word, Pedro, you shouldn't trust them at all. If you don't take my name off your list, I'll do it myself. Lara  07:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It was removed last night. Good day to you. Pedro : Chat  07:37, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Brilliant. Striking that comment takes away the one oppose vote that I was quite honestly, criticized for at the two above links. In striking that note, I've pretty much pulled back from the situation and so this will be my last comment resolving the matter: let's both forget it.  ceran  thor 14:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)