User:Pelagic/sandbox/j/2019/08/18

Sunday 18. This is now a lead paragraph instead of a level 3 heading. Will the level-4 subheads now collapse in mobile? Will there be proper top-section and first-section edit links?
 * Yes and no respectively! Adding a linebreak after the noinclude to see if that helps. 13:50
 * Hmm, that works. Now I'll probably get stray vertical white space on the including page. Guess it's a choice of one vs. the the other. 13:53

New user talk UI?
Some talk pages seem suddenly different on Minerva+mobile. Need to check desktop. Noticed at User:EllenCT and User:Schazjmd e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EllenCT#/talk/16, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Schazjmd#/talk

Editing this page, I also see a hash-slash path in the URL:. Perhaps #/editor has been like that on mobile for a long time and I haven't paid attention? On desktop I'm used to seeing ?action=edit.

To do: check WP:VPT and catch up on developments at new talk pages consultation.

Feedback Request Service
Ellen had this notice “Let's talk about talking” in Feb, maybe via FRS? I should consider subscribing.
 * to do

Oops
Accidentally created a page in mainspace instead of user. Used Thank feature, follow-up to do:
 * Thank at my talk and/or Schazjmd talk?
 * Saving bacon box.
 * Teahouse etiquette question.
 * Are thanks and wikilove the same thing? Do search.

Atandrus' Observations
Read User:Antandrus/observations on Wikipedia behavior yesterday. There's some great quotable material there that could be used in wiki-discussions. (Noting it here so I can re-find the page later.)
 * to do list numbers for items that grabbed my attention

Dammit
Shit! Shit, shit, shit shit, SHIT!

Was doing a largish edit using VE+Timeless+iOS, and when Safari decided to reload the page.

Instead of holding gabfests where people propose throwing the notion of an encyclopedia out the window, couldn't the WMF invest into creating software that saves the state of your editing session?

Surely editing on an older, second-hand, or low-spec device isn't just a first-world problem?

Organising my user space, other things to try or consider
Whereas this area of dated entries is about noting things down as they occur for later reference, the following areas would be about drawing together that material. I like the idea of physical metaphors such as Sandbox and Incubator (maybe notes can go into "Notebook"), but initially I might stick to putting stuff under sandbox. Sandbox/ideas and sandbox/lists don't even need to be pages, they can just be names and still work with prefix search. Conversely, my sandbox is already a mess, more like a litter tray.
 * A general subsection for thoughts, ideas, and nascent essays.
 * Is there any point separating them into types when they are still at the early inception stage? Probably not.
 * What to call it? "thoughts", "ideas", "rough", "incubator"? Maybe user/sandbox/ideas or user/incubator.  (A sandbox is a thing, as is an incubator.  On the other hand, sandbox/ideas would fit alongside sandbox/notes.)
 * An area for ongoing lists that are being developed (but are at the very incomplete stage).
 * If not in the Sandbox, would it go in the Incubator or beside it?
 * If the page title starts with "List of..." then does it need a separate place in the tree? (Compare naming of lists in Article space.)

Instead of (or in addition to) relying on subpage structure to organise things, I could make a separate topic-based index/catalogue/inventory. Would require a lot of manual maintenance.

Redirects and subpages
If User:Pelagic/sandbox/test/source is a redirect to User:Pelagic/sandbox/test/dest, then will a non-existent User:Pelagic/sandbox/test/source/subpage do anything special in relation to User:Pelagic/sandbox/test/dest/subpage? In other words, can you relink a whole subpage tree with one redirect? 13:16 (AEST)


 * Nope. I kinda expected that wouldn't work.  13:29 (AEST) 03:29 (GMT)