User:Pelagic/sandbox/notes

http://www.eagles.org/programs/eagle-facts/all-about-eagles.php This page mentions the distinction of booted, fish, snake and giant forest eagles.

Names of Acciptridae http://eol.org/pages/8016/names

Eagle Directory puts all the Hieraaetus spp. into Aquila (http://www.eagledirectory.org/species.html), and the Asian hawk-eagles into Nisaetus (from Spizaetus) e.g. http://www.eagledirectory.org/species/crested_hawk_eagle.html

IOC raptors list http://www.worldbirdnames.org/bow/raptors/

Links to follow up

 * Template talk:Infobox
 * Template talk:Infobox country/Archive 12 (and maybe elsewhere on that page)
 * Check archives 11 and 13 also for mention of the change toward demographic info, inclusion of supporting parameters like year.
 * Template talk:Infobox country/Archive 9 sect. "State religion", "Religion again" and maybe elsewhere, for evidence that the field was considered to be for Official religion in 2013.

Other discussions about religion in country infoboxes
Drafting here first for posting into the Australia discussion (to avoid edit conflict from long typing session)

A.k.a. "a brief history"

[To keep the points together for readability, please respond below the sig line rather than interspersing comments.]


 * Oct-Nov 2013, discussion about adding Template talk:Infobox country/Archive 9#State religion|State religion by User:Kwamikagami, User:Danlaycock (TDL), User:Frietjes. TDL points to a September 2013 diff where the Religion field was first added.
 * Nov-Dec 2013, Template talk:Infobox country/Archive 9#Religion again|Religion again. Discussion about using religion field just for "official" state religion.  "%ages" is mentioned, so presumably some articles did have the demographc breakdown. User:Chipmunkdavis (CMD), User:Kwamikagami (kwami), User:Kaldari.
 * Oct 2014 User:Erp raised question about single official state religion versus multiple religions but was unanswered. Religion (again).
 * June 2015 RfC: Religion in infoboxes of nations. Most of the discussion focuses on omitting entries like "Religion=None" or Religion=Atheist" for countries that are explicitly atheist, secular, or just have no state-mandated religion.  There was not much focus on the use of the field for religious demographics.
 * Closer User:Ceradon does say "Another suggestion brought up by several people is whether there should be a "religious demographics" parameter that would lay out the particular demographics in a country. There is no consensus for this either, but is also a reasonable point."
 * Towards the end of the discussion, proposer User:Guy Macon writes "I haven't touched any infoboxes that say things like "20% atheist, 40% Roman Catholic...". that seems like it is outside of the scope of the RfCs."
 * January 2016 RFC at Template talk:Infobox
 * March 2017, User:Wrath X asks (unanswered) about Greece and Iran having state religion versus Australia and United States having demographics. Religion field.
 * June 2017, Year field for religion demographics? User:Rob984 requests a year field for Religion similar to that for Ethnic Groups, iplemented by User:Frietjes.
 * Note the opening phrase "The religion field is now often being used for demographics..."
 * Aug 2017, Official religion. User:Ernio48 proposes removing (demographic) Religion parameter and User:Thomas.W (Tom) counters "many readers are interested in which religions are the major ones in each country".  Additional comments by User:Redrose64, User:Rob984.

There is other material at VPP and WikiProject Countries, need to do an archive search.

Table
D=demographic breakdown, S=single (presumably official) religion listed or multiple state religions, s=single predominant religion listed, La=link to article, Ls=link to section, c=collapsed, list=without percentages.

As at 2019-07-10 to ...

Countries from List of sovereign states. Relates to discussion at Talk:Australia where this RfC is noted: Template talk:Infobox country/Archive 11.

Skins
Monobook brings back memories, but Vector is better. Minerva is the default on mobile, at least for now. It's interesting, once you get used to having the Talk and History at the bottom (which took me forever on mobile, suspect they weren't always there?). Timeless is also intriguing, especially the "responsive design" way it adapts to different window sizes. I'd love it if there were some on-page drop-down to switch skins without visiting Preferences.

You can view any page using this pattern

Style guide
Style Guide

Current ongoing changes

 * wp:Talk pages consultation 2019
 * wp:VisualEditor/Feedback "these colons that we abuse for fake indenting" Nailed it, Whatamidoing!


 * Advanced Mobile Contributions (AMC) 2018–2019. Making Minerva more like Vector? A user drop-down would be great, however.  I don't see an opt-in option in my Settings on mobile yet (as at 07:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC)).  For contrast, see Reading/Web/MobileFrontend and Minerva.


 * Reading/Web/Projects/In-page Navigation Recommended sticky headers in June 2018. Not implemented?  Other prototypes are interesting too.

Older Proposals

 * A frontend powered by Parsoid (2015-2016) "The mobile site differs from the desktop site in that it has a concept of sections on the HTML level. It achieves this via a piece of code called the MobileFormatter that runs after parsing. This code is brittle and uses regular expressions. It should really be done at the parser level."

Testing
bird of prey birds of prey

Flow
Flow new discussion system.

helpful WP style references
Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Editing, Creating, and Maintaining Articles/Creating a New Article

WP:HAT WP:TITLE WP:YFA

MOS:ITALIC MOS:CAPS

Capitalization of bird names: MOS:CAPS, WP:FAUNA, and WikiProject Birds

Disambiguation: Disambiguation

Categories: (?)

Images
Extended image syntax

Permanent links

 * Using Special:Permalink -
 * builds a full URL enclosed in plainlinks -
 * is similar, but it draws on the fullurl: magic word.

Similarly, for diffs there is a choice of  or, where the template version uses plainlinks and fullurl.

Humour & badges
WP: TROUT, WikiFauna

other WP reference
WP:ABBREV, FAQ/Categorization

templates
Template:Quotation and others in the See Also list. Template:Bq and other Category:Semantic markup templates, especially Template:Em.

Template:Xt, see Manual_of_Style/Linking for example of use.

taxonomy
Taxobox, Taxobox authority

language
lang, transl; de, etc.

categories
Categorization, Categories, lists, and navigation templates.

But see Category:Wikipedia essays about categorization for some views of why categories are bad.

hawk vs. buzzard
According to Avibase, Buteo ventralis is called Busardo Patagón in Spanish, but Aguilucho de cola rojiza in Argentine and Chilean Spanish. Is this difference between busardo and aguilucho the same as the British–US difference between buzzard and hawk?

Buteo ventralis: http://avibase.bsc-eoc.org/species.jsp?lang=EN&avibaseid=40692C15D9E25632

However, Génsbøl doesn't list Bussrdo for any European raptors. His table has Halcón = falcon, Milano = milvine kite, Buitre = vulture, Elanio = elanid kite, Aguila = eagle, Ratonero = buzzard, Azor = goshawk, Alimoche Commún = Egyptian Vulture, Aguilucho = harrier, Alcotán = hobby, Quebrantahuesos = Lammergeier, Cernícalo = kestrel and the Red-footed Falcon, Gavilán = sparrowhawk, Esmerejón = Merlin, Pigargo = fish eagles, and the Sooty Falcon is Alcotán Unicolor.

Génsbøl
Génsbøl (2008) has a table of raptor names in various European languages on pp. 410–411. Note that these are probably the standardized names, and don't reflect the breadth of common-name usage.

Buzzards (Common, Long-legged, Rough-legged) are called -bussard in German, Buse in French (c.f. Busard, which is harrier), Ratonero in Spanish, and Poiana in Italian.

The honey buzzards are known as falcons (Halcón) in Spanish, buzzards (Wespensbussard) in German, and something completely different (Bondrée) in French. In Italian, the Honey Buzzard (Pernis apivorus), is treated as a falcon, Falco pecchiaolo; but the Siberian Honey Buzzard (P. ptilorhynchus orientalis) is Pecchiaolo orientale, not *Falco pecchiaolo orientale.

The goshawks (Goshawk, Dark Chanting Goshawk) are Habicht/Authour/Azor/Astore, and sparrowhawks (Sparrowhawk, Levant Sparrowhawk) are Sperber/Épervier/Gavilán/Sparviere (de/fr/es/it).

I really expected to see a common "hawk" name in other languages; it is found as a suffix in Danish/Swedish/Norwegian/Finnish, where Sparrowhawk is Spurvehøg/Sparvehök/Spurvehauk/Varpushaukka, and Goshawk is Duehøg/Duvhok/Hønsehauk/Kanahaukka. The English usage here follows these northern languages quite closely. But where we say "Levant Sparrowhawk", they say "Balkan hawk": Balkanhøg/Balkanhök/Balkanhauk. And "Dark Chanting Goshawk" is Sanghøg/Sånghök/Sanghauk, is sang related to English sing?

Admittedly, Finnish uses haukka for all small-to-medium raptors: hawks, kite, harriers, kestrel, falcons. (Large raptors, eagles and vultures, are kotka; and the Osprey is unique: Kalasääski.) Danish, Swedish and Norwegian use the -hawk suffix for harriers in addition to gos- and sparrow-hawks.

The only other European Accipiter is the Shikra, which is treated as a sparrowhawk in French and Spanish: Épervier shikra/Gavilán Shrika. In German, Italian, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, and Dutch, it is just Shikra.

Wingmasters
[http://www.wingmasters.net/article_4.htm What's a buzzard? Depends where you're from.]

raptor name etymologies

 * -aetus Greek άετός = eagle. C.f. Aetos Dios
 * aquila = eagle, Latin (maybe the Golden Eagle specifically)


 * triorchis = three testicles, Greek


 * buteo Latin name for the Common Buzzard
 * milvus ?

meanings from Debus 1998

 * Pandion "the name of two kings of Athens in Greek mythology", p.12.
 * haliaetus = sea-eagle
 * Elanus axillaris "The specific name, part of a direct quotation from the original Latin description, refers to the black markings on the wings.", p.17.
 * Elanus scriptus "The specific name ('written') refers to the black M or W marking across the underwings.", p.20.
 * Lophoictinia isura "The generic name ('crest kite') refers to the small occipital crest, and the specific name ('equal tail') refers to the square-cut tip to the tail." P.26
 * Hamirostra melanosternon "The generic name ('hook bill') refers to the prominent upper mandible, and the specific name ('black breast') describes one of the bird's most characteristic features in adulthood." p.30.
 * Erythrotriorchis radiatus "... the specific name ('radiated') refers to the broadly striped or barred plumage." p.35
 * Aviceda "The bazas or cuckoo-hawks in this genus ('bird killer', a misnomer) ..." p.40
 * "The name baza is also a misnomer, derived from a Hindi word for goshawk." p.40
 * A. subcrista "The specific name ('somewhat crested') refers to the small erectile crest on the nape, ..." p.41
 * Milvus migrans "The generic name simply means 'kite' (in the raptorial sense), and the specific name refers to spectacular mass migrations of milvine kites seen in Europe. p.47
 * Haliastur sphenurus "The generic name ('sea goshawk') alludes to the aquatic, often coastal, habits of these kites, and the specific name ('wedge tail', a slight misnomer) refers to the round tail tip. pp.50–51
 * Haliastur indus "The scientific name denotes a 'sea goshawk' from India, where it was first described." p.54
 * Haliaeetus leucogaster "This species' common name is a literal translation of the generic name ('sea-eagle) and specific name ('white belly')." p.57.

opinion pieces
Steve Howell, "What's in a bird name?" in The Travelling Trinovid Blog, 2014:
 * 1) The common American problem
 * 2) Embrace hypocrisy and promote ambiguity
 * 3) Grammartifices and what part of English names do I not understand?

regional bird checklists
(From TigerShrike at BIRDCON.)

Regional lists:
 * AOU Checklist of North American Birds
 * South American Classification Committee
 * British Ornithologists' Union
 * Association of European Records and Rarities Committees
 * African Bird Club
 * Ornithological Society of the Middle East
 * Oriental Bird Club
 * Birdlife Australia

Accipitriformes
Ref's for acceptance of this order are now in the main article Accipitriformes.

Additional info:


 * 2004 – Stephen Debus writes "if the hawks (Accipitridae) and falcons (Falconidae) deserve their own orders (Accipitriformes and Falconiformes), a move that is receiving increasing support" Boobook: JOURNAL OF THE AUSTRALASIAN RAPTOR ASSOCIATION, Volume 22 Number 1 June 2004 http://www.birdlife.org.au/images/uploads/branches/documents/ARA-Boobook-Jun04.pdf

Saraiki alphabet, Hindko alphabet, etc.
"Major spoken languages of Pakistan are: Punjabi, Saraiki, Sindhi, Pashto, Urdu, Balochi, Hindko and Brahui. Of these, only Urdu, Sindhi, and Pashto have a standardized alphabet. There are very few written works available in these other languages. Speakers of these languages, if they ever need to write in their language, use the alphabet of some other major language (usually Urdu or Sindhi) in which they have been formally educated."

http://www.siao2.com/2011/11/15/10237317.aspx Kaplan, Michael S. (2011) The evolving Story of Locale Support, part 8: [Finally] taking care of some [more] languages in Pakistan, quoting from Abdul-Mqajid Bhurgri.

Transliteration
How are you supposed to spell Muammar Gaddafi/Khadafy/Qadhafi? http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/513/how-are-you-supposed-to-spell-muammar-gaddafi-khadafy-qadhafi

Typography

 * Geoffroy Tory

Birds of prey

 * Eagle
 * Hieraaetus
 * Circaetinae
 * Hawk
 * Erythrotriorchis
 * Elanid kite
 * Grey hawk
 * Accipitriformes


 * Create Category:Raptors of Australia in Category:Birds of Australia? As a non-diffusing category?
 * 1 Osprey Pandion halietus.
 * 2 "small kites", "white-tailed kites", ?hovering kites: Black-shouldered kite Elanus axillaris, Letter-winged kite E. scriptus.
 * 3 "Australian endemic hawks": Square-tailed kite Lophoictinia isura, Black-breasted buzzard Hamirostra melanosternon, Red goshawk Erythrotriorchis radiatus.
 * 1 Baza: Pacific baza (Crested hawk) Aviceda subcrista.
 * 4 Large kites and sea eagles: Black kite (Fork-tailed kite) Milvus migrans, Whistling kite Haliastur sphenerus, Brahminy kite H. indus, White-bellied sea-eagle Haliaeetus leucogaster.
 * 3 Harriers: Spotted harrier Circus assimilus, Swamp harrier C. approximans, Eastern marsh harrier C. spilonotus.
 * 3 goshawks and sparrowhawks: Brown goshawk Accipiter fasciatus, Grey goshawk  A. novaehollandiae, Collared sparrowhawk A. cirrhocephalus.
 * 3 booted eagles: Wedge-tailed eagle Aquila audax, Gurney's eagle A. gurneyi, Little eagle Hieraaetus morphnoides.
 * 6 Falcons: Brown falcon Falco berigora, Australian hobby (Little falcon) F. longipennis, Grey falcon F. hypoleucos, Black falcon F. subniger, Peregrine falcon F. peregrinus, Nankeen kestrel (Australian kestrel) F. cenchroides.

more on Hieraaetus
This is from Bonaparte: "2. Les Aquiliens nous offrent une trentaine d'espèces réparties en six genres : onze appartiennent au genre Aquila proprement dit, dont les huit premières tiennent encore plus intimement les unes aux autres, tandis que l'Aquila pennata d'Europe, qui est aussi Butaquila strophiata, Hodg., le Morphnus dubius, Smith, ainsi que l'A. morphnoides, Gould, de la Nouvelle-Hollande, qui s'en distingue à peine, forment un petit groupe à part (Hieraetus, Kaup.) très-voisin des Spizaëtes; et que l'Aquila malayensis (Nisaeius ovivorus, Jerdon.), par le singulier rapport de proportion qu'offrent ses doigts, pourraits'isoler de toutes les autres, et former à elle seule un genre pour lequel quatre noms ( Heteropus, Neopus, Ictinaetus et Onichaetus ) s'offrent déjà au choix de celui qui voudra l'adopter définitivement."

"2. Aquiliens give us thirty species divided into six types: eleven belong to the genus Aquila itself, the first eight hold more closely to each other, while Aquila pennata Europe, which is also Butaquila strophiata, Hodg. the Morphnus dubius, Smith, and the A. morphnoides Gould, of New Holland, which differs only form a small group to share (Hieraetus, Kaup.) very Spizaëtes neighbor; and the malayensis Aquila (Nisaeius ovivorus, Jerdon.) by the singular relationship of proportion offered his fingers pourraits'isoler of all others, and form alone a genre for which four names (Heteropus, Neopus, Ictinaetus and Onichaetus) already offer the choice of those who want to adopt it permanently."

Interesting that the similarity of A. pennata and A. morphnoides was recognised back in 1850. Note also the synonym.