User:Peter Ellis/sandbox

Yes, someone did remove this SandBox, previously.

I want to have a record of a transaction on WikiMedia..... hence:

File:Sir_Richard_Williams_portrait.JPG
Jim, please explain how the deletion of the image I posted of the painting by Vernon Jones can be of assistance to the Wiki-commons/Wikipedia world. I note that User:Tryphon said that lists the image; it does not, so far as I see. I know that someone trimmed the image that I originally posted; that was silly, frankly, as it removed the context that I had left for all to see. The painting hangs in the Officer's Mess at RAAF Laverton. How many Wikipedians/Wiki-commons people have access there, as I did (and may again, but who knows when...) So, the image was lost to the Wiki world, and did not make it on the page for Williams as it appeared as the featured page on Wikipedia. I absolutely DID NOT know that was a possibility when I posted the image, but I 'fought' the deletion of the image because I knew that it was probably unique; who else can or WILL get a photo of it? Please reply, understanding that I am on a 'flaky' connection and may not reply for some days. (It is why I have not 'fought' further the removal of the image, from now months ago... my computer has been giving me grief.) Peter Ellis ( talk ) 14:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Peter, the correct link would have been Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Sir_Richard_Williams_portrait.JPG. --Túrelio ( talk ) 14:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Peter -- I'll work with you -- and I'm sure my colleague Túrelio will also, as best we can within the rules. None of us like deleting images, but to keep Commons "a database of 9,979,929 freely usable media files to which anyone can contribute", we must pay attention to copyright where it is called for.


 * I assume you understand and don't dispute the fact that the painting has a copyright which belongs to the artist and his heirs until 70 years after his death. Ownership of the copyright is completely independent of ownership of the physical painting. Since there is a copyright, the painting is a derivative work.  Although there are exceptions to the copyright rules for certain kinds of works permanently hung in public places, which we call Freedom of Panorama, those exceptions cannot apply here both because the Australian rule does not include paintings and because I don't think that an Officer's Mess is "open to the public" within the meaning of the applicable law.


 * That leaves us with two possibilities. The first is for you to get permission from the artist or his heirs, following the procedure at OTRS. That may or may not be possible. The other is for you to construct a ... ask me on my talk page, .... already has a portrait of him.


 * If you chose to construct a fair use argument, you can then upload the file to WP:EN without Commons worrying about it. If you no longer have access to the file, I can temporarily undelete it here for you.


 * If you have further questions, feel free to ask -- as I said at the top, we're here to help.     Jim . . . .  Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Jim. I thought that I had made it completely clear on the picture's description page and the deletion page that I thought that the removal of the context (frame) of the image by... well, I can't find out, now, can I... was wrong. I had quite obviously left the context -- the frame and surround. Chronologically, though, when someone asked about the author, I went out of my way on a subsequent visit to RAAF Laverton to visit the image, determine the author, and add the detail to the image's description page. I think that it was later that someone trimmed the image of its context.


 * You said, "Since there is a copyright, the painting is a derivative work." I assume that you mean that the picture of the painting is a derivative work. A hypothetical: Someone was taking a picture of en:Laurent Gbagbo as he is arrested, and Gbagbo happens to be holding a magazine up to his eyes -- it's obviously him, though. The owner of the magazine claims 70 years on the magazine, the owner of the image used on the front presumably has an issue, too; so, is the picture of Gbagbo rejected? What if he was wearing a suit by Zegna, the design of which is presumably covered by similar legislation? Zegna objects to the besmurching of its reputation by the showing of the image, and wants the image removed, too. Two or three grounds for removal; but, a public interest. This is murky, frankly. What if my friend had stood in front of the Williams image, and I had used the picture of her with her permission to show even more 'context'? Is there a 'reality' here that I am not understanding? Is OTRS being invoked (I've not heard of it before) because the image was cropped to lose the context?


 * I thought I was doing a good and right thing to put up the image, in context; and, despite what you have said, I just want to understand why my image was ditched. And, it would have made me happy, when Williams page was the featured page, to see my image there... even though I had no idea that it was a candidate. I guess the issue of the provenence of the image became the issue when someone determined that that was a possibility. Peter Ellis ( talk ) 12:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You would probably be surprised how many people get into the Officer's Mess at RAAF Laverton, and elsewhere. Guests of the Mess officials? The Public Servants who are members of the mess? The casual visitors to the base, as I was? The civilian, contracted staff including guards? There are undoubtedly more.Peter Ellis ( talk ) 13:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC) And, these people were the folk I observed around the picture during the two visits sub-hour in question. Undoubtedly, there were others in the weeks/months/years when I was not present.- Peter Ellis - Talk 14:46, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

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