User:PhilipR/CA2004

Discussion I was having about Copa America here. I'm trying to find which club a typical national side's players played at over the summer 2004, during the Copa America. ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN FINDING THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT KIND OF SQUADS PLAY IN THE CA IS WELCOME TO EDIT THIS IN GOOD FAITH.

Typical group oppponents
Source: http://www.rsssf.com/tables/2004safull.html - Courtesy Martín Tabeira and RSSSF.

Let's use Costa Rica's group for analysis.

Paraguay
Lineup vs. CRC:

PAR: D.Barreto - Martínez, de Vaca (62 Benítez), Gamarra (c), Torres - Cristaldo, Paredes, E.Barreto, Brítez (46 Dos Santos) - Figueredo (67 Bareiro), Haedo

Roster:

1 Justo VILLAR                   Libertad 2 Emilio MARTÍNEZ                Libertad 3 Julio César MANZUR             Guaraní 4 Carlos Alberto GAMARRA         Internazionale (ITA) 5 José DEVACA                    Cerro Porteño 6 Jorge Orlando BRÍTEZ           Olimpia 7 Dante Rafael LÓPEZ             Córdoba (ESP) 8 Edgar BARRETO                  NEC Nimega (HOL) 9 Fredy José BAREIRO             Libertad 10 Diego FIGUEREDO                Olimpia 11 Julio GONZÁLEZ Ferreira        Nacional 12 Diego BARRETO                  Cerro Porteño 13 Carlos Humberto PAREDES        Reggina (ITA) 14 Ernesto Rubén CRISTALDO        Cerro Porteño 15 Pedro Juan BENÍTEZ             Cerro Porteño 16 David VILLALBA                 Olimpia 17 Celso ESQUIVEL                 San Lorenzo (ARG) 18 Derlis Aníbal GONZÁLEZ         12 de Octubre 19 Nelson Antonio HAEDO           Werder Bremen (GER) 20 Julio Daniel DOS SANTOS        Cerro Porteño 21 Aureliano TORRES               Guaraní 22 Fabio ESCOBAR                  Nacional Coach: Carlos JARA SAGUIER

Brasil
BRA: Júlio César - Mancini, Juan, Luisão, Gustavo Nery - Kléberson (58 Diego), Renato, Edu (66 Dudú), Alex (c) - Adriano, Luís Fabiano (58 Vágner Love)

1 JÚLIO CÉSAR Soares de Espíndola Flamengo 2 MANCINI - Alessandro Amantín   Roma (ITA) 3 LUISÃO - Luis A. da Silva      Benfica (POR) 4 JUAN Silveira do Santos        Bayer Leverkusen (GER) 5 RENATO Dirnei Florencio        Santos 6 GUSTAVO NERY de Sá da Silva    São Paulo  7 ADRIANO Leite Ribeiro          Internazionale (ITA) 8 Juan KLÉBERSON Pereira         Manchester United (ENG) 9 LuÍS FABIANO Clemente          São Paulo 10 ALEX - Alessandro de Souza     Cruzeiro 11 EDÚ - Eduardo César Daude      Arsenal (ENG) 12 FÁBIO Denilson Lopes Maciel    Vasco da Gama 13 MAICON Douglas Sisenando       Mónaco (FRA) 14 Marcelo José BORDON            Stuttgart (GER) 15 CRIS - Cristiano Marques Gomes Cruzeiro 16 DUDÚ - Alessandro de Souza     Kashiwa Reysol (JAP) 17 ADRIANO CORREIA Claro          Coritiba 18 JÚLIO César BAPTISTA           Sevilla (ESP) 19 DIEGO Ribas de Cunha           Santos 20 FELIPE Jorge Loureiro          Flamengo 21 RICARDO OLIVEIRA               Valencia (ESP) 22 VÁGNER LOVE - V. Silva de Souza Palmeiras Coach: Carlos Alberto PARREIRA

Next WCQ lineup (see below): BRA: 1-Julio Cesar; 2-Belletti, 4-Roque Junior, 3-Edmilson, 6-Roberto Carlos; 5-Juninho Pernambucano (15-Renato 60), 8-Gilberto Silva, 11-Edu (18-Robinho 74), 10-Ronaldinho (17-Alex 60); 7-Adriano, 9-Ronaldo.

Verdict: About as I expected, Brasil brought an A-/B+ side that had a few players they used in the next qualifier, most obviously Adriano. In general their CA squad had good European participation, apparently including several Euro-based second-stringers trying to make it into the WCQ A-squad.

Chile
CHI: Varas - I.Fuentes, Olarra (c), L.Fuentes, Pérez (71 Aros) - Acuña (46 Meléndez), Jiménez, Valenzuela, Millar (71 Mirosevic) - Mancilla, S.González

1 Claudio Andrés BRAVO           Colo Colo 2 Cristian Andrés ÁLVAREZ        Universidad Católica 3 Luis Alberto FUENTES           Cobreloa 4 Rodrigo Antonio PÉREZ          Cobreloa 5 Miguel Mauricio RAMÍREZ        Colo Colo 6 Clarence ACUÑA                 Rosario Central (ARG) 7 Rodrigo VALENZUELA             América (MEX) 8 Rodrigo Javier MILLAR          Huachipato 9 Sebastián Ignacio GONZÁLEZ     Atlante (MEX) 10 Luis Antonio JIMÉNEZ           Ternana (ITA) 11 Mark Dennis GONZÁLEZ           Universidad Católica 12 Alex Fabián VARAS              Santiago Wanderers 13 Ismael Ignacio FUENTES         Rangers 14 Moisés Fermín VILLARROEL       Colo Colo 15 Héctor Raúl MANCILLA           Huachipato 16 Jonathan Josué CISTERNAS       Cobreloa 17 Milovan MIROSEVIC              Racing Club (ARG) 18 Rodrigo MELÉNDEZ               Quilmes (ARG) 19 Rafael OLARRA                  Independiente (ARG) 20 Mauricio Fernando AROS         Huachipato 21 Luis Pedro FIGUEROA            Universidad de Concepción 22 Patricio Sebastián GALAZ       Cobreloa Coach: Juvenal OLMOS

Quarterfinals: Colombia
Moving on with our imaginary following in the footsteps of Costa Rica, if the US had indeed gotten out of its group stage, like the Ticos, it might have played Colombia as they did.

COL: Henao (c) - Palacio, Orozco, González, Victoria - Díaz, Aguilar, Patiño (83 Viáfara), Murillo (87 Ferreira) - Moreno, Herrera (72 Perea)

1 Juan Carlos HENAO              Once Caldas 2 Andrés Felipe GONZÁLEZ         América (Cali) 3 Jaime CASTRILLÓN               Independiente Medellín 4 Jesús Brahaman SINISTERRA      Arminia Bielefeld (GER) 5 Andrés Felipe OROZCO           Racing Club (ARG) 6 Oscar DÍAZ                     Deportivo Cali 7 Mahler Tressor MORENO          Deportivo Cali 8 David Arturo FERREIRA          América (Cali) 9 Sergio Darío HERRERA           América (Cali) 10 Neider Yesid MORANTES          Independiente Medellín 11 Elkin Antonio MURILLO          LDU Quito (ECU) 12 Breiner CASTILLO               Deportivo Cali 13 Arley DINAS                    Deportes Tolima 14 Edixon PEREA                   Atlético Nacional 15 Jhon Eduis VIÁFARA             Once Caldas 16 Edwin CONGO                    Levante (ESP) 17 Jairo PATIÑO                   Newell’s Old Boys (ARG) 18 Abel Enrique AGUILAR           Deportivo Cali 19 José Antonio AMAYA             Atlético Júnior 20 Gustavo Andrés VICTORIA        Rise Sport (TUR) 21 Haider Guillermo PALACIO       Napoli (ITA) 22 Gonzalo MARTÍNEZ               Atlético Júnior

But what about CRC themselves?
1 Víctor Andrey BOLÍVAR          Liberia 2 Michael UMAÑA                  Herediano 3 Luis Antonio MARÍN             Alajuelense 4 Alexander CASTRO               Alajuelense 5 Whayne WILSON                  Cartaginés 6 Christian Alberto OVIEDO       Herediano 7 Alonso SOLÍS                   Saprissa 8 Dany Alberto FONSECA           Cartaginés 9 Álvaro Alberto SABORÍO         Saprissa 10 Wálter CENTENO                 AEK (GRE) 11 Ronald GÓMEZ                   Irapuato (MEX) 12 Leonardo GONZÁLEZ              Herediano 13 Carlos HERNÁNDEZ               Alajuelense 14 Cristian BADILLA               Herediano 15 Júnior Enrique DÍAZ            Herediano 16 Try Anthony BENNETT            Herediano 17 Steven José BRYCE              Alajuelense 18 José Francisco PORRAS          Saprissa 19 Mauricio WRIGHT                AEK (GRE) 20 Douglas Esteban SEQUEIRA       Saprissa 21 Andy Francisco HERRÓN          Herediano 22 Ricardo GONZÁLEZ               Alajuelense

Reference: WCQ
These are the starting XI for the first WCQ after CA 2004, also from RSSSF.

In Asuncion (De los Defensores del Chaco Stadium) Paraguay 1 (Carlos Gamarra 52) Venezuela 0 HT: 0-0. Att: 30,000. Ref: Gustavo Mendez (Uruguay). PAR: 1-Justo Villar; 2-Pedro Sarabia, 3-Julio Cesar Caceres, 4-Carlos Gamarra (15-Jorge Mansur 84), 14-Paulo da Silva; 13-Carlos Paredes, 16-Julio Enciso, 10-Diego Gavilan (8-Edgar Barreto 78), 23-Nelson Cuevas; 20-Jose Cardozo (7-Cesar Ramirez 58), 24-Roque Santa Cruz. VEN: 1-Gilberto Angelucci; 2-Luis Vallenilla, 3-Jose Manuel Rey, 6-Alejandro Cichero, 17-Jorge Rojas; 14-Leopoldo Jimenez, 8-Luis Vera, 11-Richardo Paez (9-Alexander Rondon 68), 10-Gabriel Urdaneta (20-Hector Gonzalez 71); 18-Juan Arango, 7-Rafael Castellin (26-Alexander Moreno 77).

In Santiago (Nacional Stadium) Chile 0 Colombia 0 Att: 62,523. Ref: Wilson de Souza Mendonca (Brazil). CHI: 1-Nelson Tapia; 14-Moises Villaroel, 22-Luis Fuentes, 19-Rafael Olarra, 4-Rodrigo Perez; 3-Claudio Maldonado, 6-Jorge Acuna, 17-Milovan Mirosevic (25-Rodrigo Tello 60), 8-David Pizarro (7-Rodrigo Valenzuela 60); 9-Reinaldo Navia (11-Marcelo Salas 46), 15-Mauricio Pinilla. Sent offs: Claudio Maldonado 20, Rodrigo Perez 71. COL: 1-Miguel Calero; 14-Luis Amaranto Perea, 2-Ivan Ramiro Cordoba, 3-Mario Yepes, 20-Gerardo Bedoya; 6-Fabian Vargas, 15-John Viafara, 8-Frankie Oviedo (21-Edixon Perea 87), 7-Giovanny Hernandez (17-Jairo Patino 56); 18-Jairo Castillo, 23-Leider Preciado (11-Elkin Murillo 65). Sent offs: John Viafara 17, Jairo Patino 71.

In Montevideo (Centenario Stadium) Uruguay 1 (Carlos Bueno 57) Ecuador 0 HT: 0-0. Att: 28,000. Ref: Gilberto Hidalgo (Peru). URU: 1-Sebastian Viera; 2-Joe Bizera, 4-Paolo Montero, 3-Dario Rodriguez; 17-Carlos Diogo, 5-Marcelo Sosa, 16-Javier Delgado, 10-Alvaro Recoba (15-Diego Perez 78), 11-Cristian Rodriguez (13-Fabian Estoyanoff 57); 9-Dario Silva (22-Vicente Sanchez 25), 20-Carlos Bueno. ECU: 1-Edwin Villafuerte; 4-Ulises de la Cruz, 3-Ivan Hurtado, 17-Giovanny Espinoza, 18-Neicer Reasco; 15-Marlon Ayovi, 5-Leonardo Soledispa (7-Carlos Quinonez 70), 8-Edison Mendez, 10-Walter Ayovi (16-Antonio Valencia 75); 14-Johnny Baldeon (11-Agustin Delgado 60), 9-Carlos Tenorio.

In Sao Paulo (Cicero Pompeu de Toled Stadium) Brazil 3 (Ronaldo 1, Ronaldinho 13pen, Adriano 44) Bolivia 1 (Luis Cristaldo 49) HT: 3-0. Att: 60,000. Ref: Hector Baldassi (Argentina). BRA: 1-Julio Cesar; 2-Belletti, 4-Roque Junior, 3-Edmilson, 6-Roberto Carlos; 5-Juninho Pernambucano (15-Renato 60), 8-Gilberto Silva, 11-Edu (18-Robinho 74), 10-Ronaldinho (17-Alex 60); 7-Adriano, 9-Ronaldo. BOL: 21-Leo Fernandez; 5-Oscar Sanchez, 2-Juan Manuel Pena, 16-Ronald Raldes, 4-Lorgio Alvarez; 17-Luis Gatti Ribeiro (22-Ronald Arana    46), 7-Luis Cristaldo, 15-Limbert Pizarro, 14-Percy Colque (8-Ruben Tufino 46), 10-Limberg Gutierrez (9-Milton Coimbra 76); 20-Joaquin Botero.