User:Phoe/Archive/July 2006

von Wettin or Saxe-Coburg-Gotha? Vandalism or good faith?

 * Hi. I saw you reverted an edit by User:72.153.102.149 to the George V of the United Kingdom article, characterizing your edit as reversing vandalism ("rvv"). I'm not sure it was vandalism as I found multiple references on Google to George V and von Wettin. I don't really understand royal names and this edit may well be wrong, but I do think it was made in good faith. --A. B. 17:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish Earls of Dublin

 * Thanks for that. I thought that User:lorddublin and the many IP addresses must have been the same person. It's useful to know. --Berks105 09:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * With any luck the afd will go through and he'll give up. The signal to noise ratio on wiki with articles of this nature is getting tiresome. Alci12 18:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Lords' introductions

 * I see you have been going through the articles on life peers and adding a link to the House of Lords minutes where they are introduced. I'm not entirely sure this is necessary, but it doesn't do any harm.


 * However, some of the articles you added links to were hereditary peers who were given life peerages following the 1999 act. For example, Frank Pakenham, 7th Earl of Longford and George Jellicoe, 2nd Earl Jellicoe. They were not introduced in the house in 1999 as they had both sat previously. A peer is only ever introduced once. If you read the minutes carefully, and compare it to the introduction of "ordinary" life peers, you will see that it doesn't mention introduction in these cases. Their new titles were announced, and they took the oath or affirmed.


 * I've changed the two pages mentioned above to reflect this. You may have added the same thing to other articles that I don't have on my watchlist. Please could you go back and correct the articles of other hereditary peers? Many thanks.


 * By the way, life peer doesn't require capital letters – the article itself doesn't use one, so capitalising "peer" results in a redirect.  J Rawle  (Talk) 12:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You're right, the territorial part of titles cause a lot of confusion. There aren't that many hereditary peers who were given life titles in that way. If you see the List of life peers, you can find the first lot in October/November 1999, then a few more in April 2000. "Introduction" refers to a particular ceremony where they go up to the Lord Chancellor with two other lords standing on either side, and shake hands (they use to kneel, doff their hat three times, etc. but that's been scrapped now). But that was only ever for newly created peers. Even if a hereditary peer before 1999 inherited the title from his father, he didn't have to be introduced. I would prefer "Taking the oath under his new title" as peerages are announced in the London Gazette. I guess in German you capitalise every noun, which certainly makes it easier in cases such as this!  J Rawle  (Talk) 13:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)