User:Private Butcher/User talk Archive 4

Requests for adminship/ScottyBoy900Q
I'm not sure if you want to revisit your withdrawn vote. Since the initial nomination, a fair sized opposition has developed, not just your initial vote. Moreover, I think the discussion itself (chiefly ScottyBoy900Q's statements in response to unfavorable votes) is suggestive of temperamental qualification. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 21:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Re:My Life
I deleted some of the more “choice” entries – the recent ones. I wasn't sure what else you wanted deleted, so that's all I did. If you go through the history, and pick out anymore, just email me and send me the links to get rid of. Hope this helps, and all is well. Regards, Bratsche talk 21:49, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Re. your post on Ryan Norton's talk page
It saddens me that you think you'll never be an admin. I consider you a great and dedicated editor. Your high standards for who should be an admin should not be a reason for people to get back to you, if they mean to be serious about wanting the best for WP, for your ideas should be respected. I always admire those who have the courage to stand for their principles, and if you were to go for a RfA, I'd surely support you. I wouldn't care inthe least that you opposed mine, because I know that what you did, you did in good faith and according to your concience. All I can say to you, is, keep up the good work. You'll get there, and when you do, I'll be there to support you. My best wishes, Shauri    smile!  23:26, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support on my RfA!
Thanks for your support of my adminship!! I was surprised at the turnout and support I got! If you ever have any issues with any of my actions, please notify me on my talk page! Thanks again! Don't worry - you'll get your own someday, I'm sure :) - just take it easy and try to relax :). It'll come sooner then you think :). Ryan Norton T 03:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello again
Hello again, Private Butcher. I have exams next week, so I'm taking a wikibreak, even temporarily removing Wikipedia from the "Favorites" menu on my browser, so that I won't have too much temptation to spend time away from my books. Hope all is well with you. You're still in my prayers. God bless! Ann Heneghan (talk) 18:04, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

My dear Private Butcher
My dear Butcher, of course I am paying attention to you, and I do care a lot about your concerns. You seriously underestimate yourself and your value, both as a user and (most important) a person. You don't have to worry in the least on self nominating, because when you feel you're ready, all you have to do is ask me to do it. I hereby offer myself with pleasure, and I always honor my promises. And, hey, taking Wikibreaks is far from worrying - we all have personal lives, and every serious person should be able to observe that. You'll get there, and I bet that soone than you think. Please, do me a favor, and give me a big Smile. There. I'm sure you look much more handsome that way. Have a great day, and whenever you need me, just whistle and I'll be there. Hugs, Shauri    smile!  23:45, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Thanks for your vote in my RfA. I'll do my best to live up to the wiki standards and be a good admin!

--Sebastian Kessel Talk 15:24, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

My run for the mop
Thank you so much for your support of my RfA. If you need me to help you resolve a dispute, I will be available. Denelson83 21:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:ESP
Thank you for your vote of confidence in the Esperanza elections. I look forward to helping Esperanza and Wikipedia progress. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 21:59, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

More RFA thanks...
Thank you for supporting me. I'll try to only do a little bit of evil. :) Wikibofh 00:12, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Celestianpower is an admin
Thank you very much for your support - my bid (as you probably know) went swimmingly. I couldn't have asked for a better one. Thank you very much and I just hope I don't mess up! Don't let those who say you're oppose votes on RfA are stupid disuade you from your opinions! --Cel e stianpower hablamé 12:46, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

orwell
What is not allowed about my artical on orwell (Unsigned comment by 84.65.210.29)

Johnny Cash
Is awesome, and don't use my name in an article you bastard!

Deletion of Gathering Conversation
Help me understand the process. I'm a first time--Wiki

What is the criteria for deletion? What did I do wrong?

Thanks 70.35.170.125 20:40, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Thanks for supporting my RfA. I will use my new powers wisely! --Wikiacc (talk) 19:10, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome.
Hi Private Butcher, thanks for the welcome. It's great being here. --AnOddName 21:22, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

User page vandalism
Thanks for the vandalism revert... seems to happen more often the more vandalism I fix. :) Thanks again, Bushytails 22:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC).

My RfA
Although you remained neutral during my RfA, I truly appreciate the time that you took to make your voice heard. It appears that I was able to gain a consensus from those who voted and I promise to do a good job using the keys to the janitor's closet. >: Roby Wayne Talk &bull; Hist &bull; E@ 02:00, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * But, I understood where you were coming from and it really made me think about of lot of things I have been doing on here since then--perception is everything. :-).  Have a good one!!  >: Roby Wayne Talk &bull; Hist &bull; E@ 02:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Hi Private Butcher. Just wanted to thank you for supporting my RfA. I hope I will be able to live up to the confidence placed in me. Oh, and the soup was great. Thanks again, --Cyberjunkie | Talk 03:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Private - Thanks for your vote of confidence on my RfA! I hope that I can live up to everyone expectations. If you need anything, please ask. --best, kevin · · · Kzollman | Talk · · · 05:07, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Private Butcher, thanks for your support on my RFA. I very much appreciate it. If you ever need anything, don't hesitate to ask. See you around! &mdash;thames 18:24, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Life... But How To Live It?
The information is factual and somewhat hard to come by, so I feel that it is still relevant. I have all their CD and LP covers lying here beside me and will scan and put them in the article by tomorrow. Instead of arguing about details, let's be constructive; I (and many with me) feel that this band definitely has a place in Norwegian music history, what do I have to add to the article to make it comply to Wikipedias rules?

Vandalism
Thanks for the revert of my user page. Hyacinth 00:29, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

RFA: Sfoskett
Hi Private Butcher. I read your comments and understand your concerns. Sfoskett is an understated long-time contributor who I believe would make excellent use of his administrative permissions if and when he receives them. Granted, he is not an agressive vandal fighter, but there is no disputing that he is a level-headed person who would make good use of the additional tools if they were available to him, which is why I took the initiative to nominate him in the first place. As of late, we have been granting sysop permissions to a number of vandal fighters, but I believe that anti-vandalism need not be the only focus of such a position, making Sfoskett a diverse and worthwhile editor to bring into the fold. I hope you can reconsider your change of heart, and if not, I appreciate your comments nonetheless. Best regards, Hall Monitor 17:34, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship. It was successful thanks to you. I will strive to an open, approachable and transparent administrator. --Jcw69 18:04, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Private Butcher's Past
PB: I was pretty sure that was the case, but, you've made 2000+ positive edits over the past few months. I refuse to allow a past history of vandalism to cloud the record of an otherwise good Wikipedian. I know of other reformed vandals, and I don't hold thier past against them, and I will not hold yours against you. Now, get back here, get to work, and if anybody has issues with your past, they can take it up with me. You're one of mine now. -- Essjay ·  Talk 19:47, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Damn Essjay, you beat me to it. Please don't go PB, there are plenty of reformed vandals around Wikipedia, a few of whom are admins. Even if you don't pass this time, its not the end of the world. the wub  "?!"  19:51, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hello again. Since I am unfamiliar with your edit history prior to this account, I am not aware if you have any kind of vandalism record.  What I do know is that everyone makes mistakes, and that all of us are capable of change.  Please do not give up on Wikipedia simply because you do not obtain administrative privileges this time around.  Stay on the right track, and eventually good things will come to you.  Best regards, Hall Monitor 20:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

His vandalism record doesn't matter; it's in the past, it's over and done with, and it's not important. I'm going to say this one more time, for the benefit of Private Butcher and anyone else who hasn't heard me yet: This is a good contributor, and nobody, and I mean nobody is going to get away with making him feel like anything less. -- Essjay ·  Talk 20:07, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Hear hear! No one is perfect, and from your present contributions we see that you are a valuable asset to the project. Let me use a cheesy analogy:
 * Wikipedia is like a centipede; it can only function smoothly when all the legs (users) are working. If one leg gets busted, it affects the entire project. You probably were a broken leg, but you have now healed, and have helped Wikipedia function.

Did that help? Oh, and so no one accuses me of plagiarism, the analogy was taken from Family Guy. Or an  e    (t)   (c)   (@)  20:26, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Please don't go. We understand the depression you must have been going through last July. You've been a worthwhile editor since then, and we'd like you to stay around. Wikipedia is great fun without admin privileges, and you do have friends here. Ann Heneghan (talk) 20:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * May I join the chorus? So what if you used to vandalise? What you did some months ago does not matter now. --Cel e stianpower hablamé 21:28, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * My dear Private, don't do somehing you'll regret in the future. Leaving won't solve your unease; on the contrary, it will only cause more pain. Just like you, I had a rough time at my own RfA, and I know how much it hurts not to be trusted by a few people. There are many among us who consider you our friend, and we'd be extremely sad if you decide to leave. Adminship is no big deal; you will see when you attain it in some time. What does having an extra little button up there add to you as an editor, or as a person? Answer: nothing. It is you we care for, so please, stay. We'll all be much happier with our Private around. I hope we hear from you soon. Please, take good care, and a warm hug to you, Shauri  [[Image:Heart.gif|11px]]  smile!  23:15, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Let's have a talk
PB: I'd like to talk to you as quickly as possible. I have all my contact info listed at User:Essjay/Contact; pick whatever is easiest for you, and let's have a chat. It's very important. -- Essjay ·  Talk 20:28, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

RfA
I think you're being a bit melodramatic. You are taking the opposition votes way to hard. You're RfA is far from one of the worst ones. Check out User:GordonWatts's which had to be taken down early. Yet, he still comes around every so often. If you hang around a few more months, I'd bet that you would get promoted. You can still be the guy everyone talks to for help, even without admin rights. Broken S 20:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I removed your RfA because your user page said that you were gone and who knows when you'd be back. That sounded like you were going and would have no need for adminship. I'd say that's well within policy. I'd like to add that I didn't realize that the concerns expressed on your user page referred to other things other than concerns over your RfA (remember that from my perspective you left a comment on my talk page and then promptly left citing some critiques I made. It looked like I drove you to leave by opposing, a silly thing to do). My comments may have seemed cruel or mean because of that.  Broken S 03:39, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

May I join...
...the chorus of people telling you not to leave. One RfA is not a reason to jump ship. Look at User:Journalist (who commented above). A wonderful editor who got voted down, gamely hung around doing good work, and is now an admin. Honestly, you're getting oppose votes, but so it goes. Acknowledge it, read-up on areas where people feel you don't have the knowledge, keep contributing, and come back. It's not a prize, being an admin. It's not I get 2000 or 20000 or 200000 and you have to give it me. People look at your edits and judge accordingly. Think about how you could improve your editing and come back with an RfA in two or three months. But don't just opt-out. It isn't good for you or for Wikipedia. Marskell 23:11, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Check your mail
Hi there. Please check your e-mail. I wrote something you should read :-) --HappyCamper 23:56, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

It's terrible
It's terrible to see you didnt' make admin but you definately should have, I've never met a wikipedian who's so helpful and kind, your work on the Derek & the Dominos members was fabolous and factually correct and beautifully done despite you making them in such short time. It blows my mind that fellow wikipedians would overlook your dedication and hard work for a few errors in the past. Good luck in the future.


 * This note above was posted on "Revision as of 01:14, 22 October 2005" by Patman2648.
 * --GordonWatts 05:22, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Please don't go!
I realise that I'm not the first (and, most likely, wont be the last) that begs you not to leave the project! I realise I opposed your RfA, but look, it was in no way personal!! Look above, people is begging you not to leave. My RfA also failed miserably (I got 2 support votes!!), and I just felt awful and I was considering leaving wikipedia for good. As it happens, I came back after three weeks, and now here I am. From what you wrote on your userpage, I can't imagine what you went through, and I'm awed that you have become the great user you have. Wikipedia needs more of those kind of people. How about a nice game of chess when you get back? I find that nothing helps more when you are down on wikipedia, than a nice, cordial clash of wooden figurines? Also, I suck, so you'll kick my ass gkhan 01:15, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I hope all goes well for you, Quentin. However, if you want to take time off, and edit only part time, I'm sure all will work out well: After all, editing Wikipedia is an unpaid job, even though it is sometimes quite fun and entertaining. Take care, and know that there are good people all over the world as moved by The Spirit of God. If you do take time off, both God's people and the almighty, Himself, will still think very highly of you. In fact, his #1 Son is said to personally pray and intercede on behalf of His younger brothers in 1st John 2:1, not to be confused with the "gospel" of John. (1st, 2nd, and 3rd John are very close to Jude and Revelations.) It is good to have Jesus praying for you: All will be well; have faith.--GordonWatts 05:29, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Quentin, the Bible hints that the world is not worthy of you
I know lots has been said about Private Butcher, welcoming him to stay, but, hey, look what I found -that relates (I think) directly to YOU). Since I know you trust the Holy Bible, here is a passage from Hebrews 11:2-3,8,36-38 (King James Version, which is in the Public Domain)
 * 1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
 * 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
 * 8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
 * 36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
 * 37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
 * 38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:)...

My point? I'm saying that I think you are a sincere individual who is sometimes persecuted for being different, and that, since you are quite often right and do not deserve the treatment given to you, that the world is not worthy of your good hearted nature. Now, I'm not saying you are perfect and that all those who voted against you were totally wrong. (Certainly that had a few good points, such as asking you to get a little more experience. Also, while I am firmly convinced that they were wrong on some points, I do not think that all of it was due to meanness or ill will. In other words, I don't think that people intentionally do evil. Lastly, even when they do, we have to hang in there and turn the other cheek and forgive them.

I'll just give you one example:

A preacher were I went to church preacher would not, one time I needed it, be a reference for me when n newspaper reporter said she was thinking of doing a story about how a federal agency had persecuted me for their own greedy ends: They had put numerous people on disability who weren't disabled simply to make a 40-hour pay week -oblivious to the fact that this was bankrupting Social Security, but I was honest and didn't want a disabled check.

Well, I had a "falling out" and left that church -and began going (instead) to a primarily Black church next to my father's auto parts shop. (I'm mostly White, some American Indian, but they accepted me.) Then, I went off to college, and lost contact with the pastor for about ten years! Well, last Saturday, she came back to her old church and just missed me when we were having a fish fry, and left her number. We chatted on the phone over old times, and I planned to visit her and her husband in the next few days. However, before I got around to going and visiting her, I felt led to visit the other church I had visited to make up with my former enemies. This other church (primarily White and Caucasian) is nowhere near where Pastor Mary lives, and I certainly did not expect to see her there. No one knew I was even going to the White Assembly of God church until the last minute, and no one told Pastor Mary that I was going. Well, Quentin, when I got there, there was a Black woman in the back of the church, but I did not recognize her as anyone I knew, and she did not speak to me. I sat down a few seats in front of her. Then, when some of the people in the Assembly of God church recognized me, they addressed me by name, and spoke: "Gordon, welcome back..." Then, the Black woman behind me spoke and said "Is that you, Gordon?" It was Pastor Mary, whom I had not seen in about TEN YEARS! She had never been to that church but was invited by a woman who did photo frames. I had not been to that church since I left on bad terms about ten years previously. Neither of us knew that other was coming, and this church is between Lakeland and Plant City, really nowhere near where either of us live -but about halfway in between.

My point?

When those lazy church elders at that Assembly of God church were AFRAID to even be a "good reference" to me, I left in a huff! I thought of that as a dark time in my life -abandoned and mistreated, but had they not mistreated me, I would possibly never have started going to the little Black church at which Pastor Mary preached -and then I would not have had this incredibly uncommon coincidence happen.

I have recently been seeking God for direction as I attempt to change careers (from legal advocate for Terri Schiavo to biomedical, for which I was trained in college.)

Do you know how many churches there are in Lakeland and Plant City? Hundreds. Maybe THOUSANDS. (Add to that the fact I don't really go to church often, but I went to the fish fry ay my church and visited my old church -just sort of on the "spur of the moment. Pastor Mary is retired and only occasionally goes to churches like this. The chance that I would talk to her on the phone and plan a visit after like ten years and then run into her days later -is the chance of me going to that church once in a decade times the chance of her going once in a lifetime -both on the same night. It was not a coincidence.

My conclusion?

What looked like me being mistreated (and I was) actually helped push me into a different church, get to know Pastor Mary, and then have this miracle happen. (So, what looks like people being mistreated in RfA's may actually be a miracle waiting to happen.)

This is not the first time it happened: In (the Bible's) Genesis 37 ( Chapter thirty-seven), we find Joseph being sold into slavery by his jealous brothers, but this act (which almost killed him, lol) was what allowed him to be in the right place to become the vice president of Egypt -and be in a position to save his family during a very bad famine: The vice presidents in ancient Egypt were not like American VP's: They had "life or death" power, due to the different type of government they had.

So, as I concluded above, I really do hate to be mistreated, but sometimes God allows us to be tested so that we will get tougher, and have a blessing waiting at the end for us.--GordonWatts 02:04, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Reply
Thanks for your response and feedback on my user talk page here. In case you didn't see it -and also, for the benefit of other readers here, ... Here's a copy of my reply:


 * "Thank you Mr. Watts for telling me that story." You're welcome. Truth is stranger than fiction, they say. "I have written my plan..." That is good: God is pleased that you are doing your part and pre-planning, however there is more than meets the eye:


 * "A man's mind plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps and makes them sure." --Proverbs 16:9 (Amplified Bible)


 * "The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the LORD." --Proverbs 16:33 (New King James Version)


 * Editor's Note: A "lot" is like dice: One might "cast lots" and see who draws the "short stick." A better translation is rendered from "The Message" version below:


 * "Make your motions and cast your votes, but GOD has the final say." --Proverbs 16:33 (The Message)


 * I hope this was helpful.--GordonWatts 05:16, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Current signature: ~---> --GordonWatts 05:20, 23 October 2005 (UTC) <---~

Hey
I'm sorry that my comment caused you to quit Wikipedia. Please reconsider your decision. It's just a RfA, you didn't get adminship, so what? Does that stop you from editing? Many people had RfA failed and they went on to became admins later. So, good luck in whatever you decide to do, I hope that includes being a Wikipedian.  Grue  10:06, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Reply to all the well wishers
I received an email from PB that he wanted me to share with all the well wishers; here it is in it's entirety: I've decided not to use wikipedia at all for a little while, so I want you to send a message to each of the users who have commented on my talk page asking me to come back that I'll be back soon, most likely a day or two, tell them I'm fine, and I'll be an even better editor than I was before. I wasn't a good editor before, but now I will be I will read over all the rules of wikipedia while I'm gone and make sure to follow each one at all times. So yeah tell everyone their favorite Private will be back soon.

I say keep up the show of support so there are plenty of welcome back messages when he gets here. -- Essjay ·  Talk 11:53, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I saw Private Butcher's note about leaving. That's ok - there are ten million better things to do in the world than edit an encyclopedia. I'm sure you'll be doing at least 68 of them. Thanks for your contributions, you're always welcome to make some more. Cheers, -Willmcw 21:25, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Thanks for the support! Edits are not everything young jedi!:) Voice of All  @ ''' 21:51, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Dear Private
It's so nice to see that you're standing on your feet again, and that you intend to return to us when you feel the time is right. I merely wanted to thank you for putting our minds at rest that you're okay, and that you have plans for the near future involving us all, which is a beautiful thought. I also care a lot for you, and I want you to know that you carry my best wishes with you where you're going. I'll be sure to visit you, knowing that it's just a matter of a short time until our dear Private is among once again. Please, take good care. And of course, you also carry lots of hugs from this Spanish friend with you! :) Shauri    smile!  00:17, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * And of course, you also carry lots of hugs from this Spanish friend with you! :) : ¡Scrillones gracias por ser un gran buen amiga buena a Sr. Private Butcher! Muy mucho más bendiciones a Ud; Tenga Ud. un beun día,  Shauri [[Image:Heart.gif|11px]]  smile!  . (Translation: Zillions of thanks for being a great good friend -to Private Butcher and very much more blessings to you. Have a good day, Shauri.  (Actually, I only took Spanish in high scool and college, but I get by.)--GordonWatts 01:14, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

CBW RfA
Thanks for taking the time to vote on my RfA. Hope you're able to come back soon. CambridgeBayWeather 23:18, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Titoxd's RfA
Thank you for supporting me in my RfA. I never thought I would get so much support! Thanks to your help, my nomination was the 10th most supported RfA in Wikipedia history. Now, please keep an eye out on me while I learn the new tools, ok? Thanks again! And come back soon, all right? Tito xd (?!?) 17:15, 25 October 2005 (UTC)