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Global Climate Change Article
A sample of this article is currently available here: User:Benapgar/Global_climate_change --Ben 09:19, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Global climate change refers to a climate change of Earth. There have been many examples of this over history, such as the medieval warm period, and the ice age. etc. Links:
 * Climate change (modified)
 * Greenhouse effect
 * Earth's atmosphere
 * Scientific opinion on climate change (depending)

Past Global Climate Changes
short discussion. Links:
 * Paleoclimatology
 * really do you think this would be a "basic" page, there is much controversy here as well, recall the recent paper that based on the paleo record and astronomical periodicity, and past solar and greenhouse gas variation in the paleo record, concluded that most climate variability was explained by astronomical and solar influences and that CO2 doubling only accounts for about 0.6 degrees centigrade of warming. The study was immediatly disputed and criticised in statement signed by several scientists, although not in the peer reviewed literature.  You don't do the general public a service by dumbing down or hiding the dynamic nature of the science, especially at this time of increased research, discovery and the fleshing out of the theories and the record.--Silverback 04:08, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * There already is a paleoclimatology page. I think that's a perfect place for discussion of that study.

List of known past global climate changes:
 * Permian-Triassic extinction event
 * Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum.
 * Little Ice Age
 * Medieval Warm Period
 * etc.

Current Global Climate Changes
short discussion. Links: (End of page)
 * 19th century to present global warming

19th century to Present Global Warming Article
short discussion. (this page would be somewhat like the current global warming article, and could possibly be put on that page as a separate section). Links:
 * Global warming (modified)

Evidence of 19th to pres. Global Warming
short discussion. Links: short discussion on temperature record controversy Links:
 * Historical temperature record
 * temperature record of the past 1000 years
 * etc.
 * urban heat island
 * etc.

Causes of 19th to pres. Global Warming
short discussion. Links: discussion on current theories of what climate forcings are involved. Links:
 * Climate forcings (modified)
 * Global climate change theory (new page made up of some stuff on GW page)
 * Attribution of recent climate change (renamed 19th century to present global warming causes)
 * Global warming controversy (renamed 19th century to present global warming controversy) (yes both are long names. We need a better name since it likely can't all be included here)

Effects of 19th to pres. Global Warming
short discussion. Links: discussion on current theories of effects of GW.
 * climate model (probably just mention in discussion)

Scientific opinion of 19th to pres. Global Warming
discussion. Links:
 * Scientific opinion on climate change

Politics/Environmental Policy related to 19th to pres. Global Warming
discussion, kyoto, creation of IPCC etc. Links:
 * Kyoto protocol
 * etc.

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Climate Change Article
short discussion of climate change. Links:
 * climate
 * global climate change

Climate change factors
short discussion on climate change factors
 * don't you think this would be discussed on the climate change and global warmings pages, they must be really dumbed down in your scheme if they don't mention "climate change factors"--Silverback 04:15, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * This is on the Climate Change page. This is one of the sections on the Climate Change page.

(some of the info on current page, such as solar variation, moved to climate forcings page) Links: (End of page)
 * climate forcings

Global Warming Article
discussion on what global warming is in general, what can cause it (+general scientific controversy), how it is measured. Links: (End of page)
 * global cooling
 * historical temperature record
 * temperature record of the past 1000 years
 * climate forcings
 * etc.

Climate Forcings Article

 * I've also discussed this on the talk page associated with the stub.--Silverback 04:22, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

short discussion. Links:
 * Climate change
 * Global climate change

Difference from Internal Factors(?)
short discussion on difference from internal factors. short discussion on difference from global/local or include in each forcing.

External Forcings
Anthropogenic Forcings
 * Urban heat island
 * Greenhouse gases (needs link to Global warming potential)
 * Greenhouse gases have varied by more than an order of magnitude in the paleo record, why is this in "anthopogenic forcings" or at least not replicated in both? --Silverback 04:20, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Good point.


 * Deforestation
 * What, forest fires never occur naturally?--Silverback 04:20, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * YOU GOT ME!!! LOLOL111111!!

Natural Forcings
 * etc
 * Carbon sink
 * anthropogenic carbon sinks have been proposed.--Silverback 04:20, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 10-4


 * Volcanic Activity (new page or existing one?)
 * Solar variation
 * This is well covered, both the direct and the effects theorectically amplified through modulation of cosmic ray flux.--Silverback 04:20, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * That's fine, a short discussion is all that is needed, then we could link to the solar variation page which discusses it in-depth (I'm sure there is one already).


 * etc


 * It seems we would need a section for both Anthropogenic and Natural causes to distinguish factors such as Deforestation, which can be caused by humans as well as naturally. --Ben 00:27, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Types of Forcing

 * Radiative forcing
 * etc

Most of this stuff should just have a short discussion and linked to the already existing articles. (or new ones) Some of the short discussion could be taken from the existing articles that already mention climate change and put here (and linked back of course as for example, "Deforestation as a climate forcing")

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 * Most of these proposals can go into existing pages, incorporating or reorganizing some of the material there. Some of the mess there is by community design however, and correctly reflects disputes in and politicization of the science.  The modelers are doing yeoman work trying to accurately capture atmospheric and ocean behavior and there should be some way to do a good job without a total reduction to the physics, but they are only part way there and their work is being politicized and used prematurely.  It is an exciting time for the science, but a frightening time for humanity as proposals like Kyoto come forward to destroy tremedous amounts of wealth that could be used to save lives, conduct research, invest in more wealth creation, etc.--Silverback 05:07, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * It involves restructuring. I'm not suggesting changes to the content. Without a hub like this page to discuss the proposed structure, simply discussing it on a page by page basis isn't going to help. I think the politicization should not be incorporated into the science, and instead be discussed along with the science as it is known. As for your negative opinion of Kyoto, I do not think that that should come to bear on the science. --Ben 23:02, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Additional proposition

Global Climate Change/Warming Controversy Article
This page would deal only with the controversy surrounding the causes of global warming.
 * (William M. Connolley 09:43, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)) You mean global warming controversy?
 * Yes, basically what it is like now, but not specific to the current trends, or to controversy regarding the science behind observing and prediciting, but simply to "what forcings cause the world to warm and by how much" kind of thing. The current page is kind of ok, though a lot seems to be duplicated on, or should be on, the scientific opinion page.

Global Climate Change Science Controversy Article
This would be a new page devoted solely to the nature of climate change science and would stick to subjects like the use of different climate models. End Additional proposition --Ben 07:30, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)