User:Redmarkviolinist/Stress

This user does not understand Wikipedia at all. I tried to help him calmly and cheerfully, but he has posted many heated threads on my talk page. All of his articles are of original research, and while I tried to correctly inform him of how to reference an article, he turned around and began insulting and criticizing me. If anyone could be of any help, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ  Drop me a line§ 20:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What admin action is needed here? You don't need to be an admin to help an unwilling-to-learn newbie, just the patience of a saint (so kudos to you for trying!). Happy‑melon 20:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Its gotten a little more complicated-he has been personally attacking me. See if one of you can talk some sense into him. Thanks!! ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ  Drop me a line§ 20:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * (ec) Yeow. Being kind to newbies and trying to help them out is not without its hazards.  Redmark, thank you for trying.
 * He's contributing good stuff. It's stuff we need.  It's even referenced.  I just cleaned up one of his articles a little bit.  But the bigger issue I see is -- how do we deal with good contributors who enter the project with that kind of nastiness?  I have a hunch that plastering his page with "NPA" warnings will send him away for good.  Maybe let someone else help him out; it will stress you less.  Good luck, Antandrus  (talk) 20:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "  You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? There is no research which is not original in the sense that when someone writes a value for Wiki, it has to be original, or it should be subsumed under another value. All the references were related to the text. Instead of taking responsibility for your sabotage of value, you like to use threats, don't you? Now grow up, kid,m this encyclopedia is not your play ground, it is used by real people to gain knowledge. If you can't understand that wait untiol you mature a little, and come back to this community. It is not aboput your technical prowess but about knowledge. If you want to refer this discussion to higher authority (administrator or Jimmy Wales) buy all means, let see who is right about your disragrd for basic etiquette and your careless work on the Business War Games site. If you are an administrator, let's see if we can take this privilege away from you. You are a menace to this adult encycolpedia.  "

Me thinks there is a sense of prejudice?*laugh* ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ  Drop me a line§ 21:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * RMV, you don't deserve to be "talked down to". I'll be posting shortly on the user talk of said editor shortly.  In the meantime, I would recommend simply forgetting Cimas exists.   Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  21:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. Thanks for all your help, everybody! ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ  Drop me a line§ 21:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Marking this resolved ATM. Cimas and I have opened a dialogue on our talkpages to address these issues. Redmarkviolinist, if further problems arise, please do drop me a line on my talkpage.  cheers,   Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  21:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Business War Games
Dear Redmarkviolinist: First, thanks for taking the time to improve on my Business War Games page. Second, what it shows now are references to references but not the references themselves. In other words, if someone wahts to read the articel or book cited, where is the full refernce? m I missing something?

Cimas (talk) 12:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome!
Now that this Welcome rule is settled, please explain the folloiwng: you feel free going into someone's else work, change it in a way that reduces its value to Wikipedia's readers, and then throw in inchallantly, oh, you need to put the full reference inside the text? Do you consider other people's time as valuable as yours, son, or less valuable? Would you go looking for those original references now? If you want to be helpful, be helpful. If you just want to show your superior Wikipedia editing skills, please be aware that most of us don't care that much about the rules, we care about the content. Feel free to "drop me a line", but try and be truly helpful next time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cimas (talk • contribs) 15:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Not Welcome
You completely miss the point, and confuse being helpful with who needs to be helpful. In rational discourse and action, there is cause and thre is effect. You enetred a site- original work that was contributed to Wikepedia for readers' benefits- and you made a change without regard to consequences, then you moved on. Like a child who finished p[laying with a toy, you did not go back to check what was the result. Then you insist that form is more important than substance, so you send me reading about more rules (form), which is your right to think, but you should not be working on encyclopedias if this is your main interest, becasue you do not create knowledge, you destroy it with excessive form. Let others edit pages, since it is clear you do not have real regard to making them better. That will solve the problem, which did not exist (think about it) until you created it. That's cause and effect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cimas (talk • contribs) 19:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? There is no research which is not original in the sense that when someone writes a value for Wiki, it has to be original, or it should be subsumed under another value. All the references were related to the text. Instead of taking responsibility for your sabotage of value, you like to use threats, don't you? Now grow up, kid,m this encyclopedia is not your play ground, it is used by real people to gain knowledge. If you can't understand that wait untiol you mature a little, and come back to this community. It is not aboput your technical prowess but about knowledge. If you want to refer this discussion to higher authority (administrator or Jimmy Wales) buy all means, let see who is right about your disragrd for basic etiquette and your careless work on the Business War Games site. If you are an administrator, let's see if we can take this privilege away from you. You are a menace to this adult encycolpedia. If you don't want me to start raising this issues about responsilbility of what you did on your Talk page, get out of Wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cimas (talk • contribs) 20:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome!
I noticed that in the Business War Games, you put in text citations, but it didn't show up. At the end of each article, put a tag that says. I have already fixed it, but in the future, that is how you do that. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me.  ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ  Drop me a line§ 17:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * First of all, when you leave a notice on someone's talk page, leave a title on it like I did above. You do that by typing ==Welcome!== . Secondly, I'll take a look at your references and fix them for you. ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ  Drop me a line§ 13:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see what you did now. You have to put the full title in the in-text citations. ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ  Drop me a line§ 13:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * First of all, your tone is not helping solve any problem. Secondly, if you truly want to help out here in Wikipedia, like you so avidly claim, it helps if you create the pages in the correct format. Finally, I am going to post links for you to read before you continue editing. ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ  Drop me a line§ 16:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

So, let me get this right-this was all original research? And the citations were only further reading? I'm truly sorry, but I am going to have to put all of your articles up for deletion. Finally, please refrain from putting comments in that tone on my talk page. ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ Drop me a line§ 20:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I NEVER stated anywhere that form goes over content. All of your articles are solely original research, and when I put the references, I thought those were the names of the books. Thank you, ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ  Drop me a line§ 20:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? There is no research which is not original in the sense that when someone writes a value for Wiki, it has to be original, or it should be subsumed under another value. All the references were related to the text. Instead of taking responsibility for your sabotage of value, you like to use threats, don't you? Now grow up, kid,m this encyclopedia is not your play ground, it is used by real people to gain knowledge. If you can't understand that wait untiol you mature a little, and come back to this community. It is not aboput your technical prowess but about knowledge. If you want to refer this discussion to higher authority (administrator or Jimmy Wales) buy all means, let see who is right about your disragrd for basic etiquette and your careless work on the Business War Games site. If you are an administrator, let's see if we can take this privilege away from you. You are a menace to this adult encycolpedia.

If you don't want me to start raising this issues about responsilbility of what you did on your Talk page, get out of Wiki.

I am going to kindly ask you to leave me alone before I do get a higher authority figure to block you. I am also kindly asking you to stop personally attacking me. ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ Drop me a line§ 20:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Please-Cool off a little. ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ Drop me a line§ 21:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Header
By the way, you don't put welcome on everything. I just used that as an example. The header has to pertain to the subject of your post. ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ Drop me a line§ 16:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Friendly warning
Hi there Cimas. It looks like you have a lot to contribute to Wikipedia, and for that thank you. Besides being an encyclopedia first and foremost, this is also a community of volunteers, including me, including you, and including Redmarkviolinist. The attacks that you've made against one of the other volunteers are unacceptable. Calling another user "son", among other offensive comments, does nothing but ironically show your own immaturity and bias. I ask, please, in a friendly way, for you to relax with the accusations and attacks against another volunteer. At this point, I feel you owe Redmarkviolinist an apology, but it is within your prerogative to do so or not. Again, thank you for your additions to this website. You are welcome to edit here. You are not welcome to attack other editors. If you have any questions about this message, about how to communicate and collaborate with other editors, or to show me evidence of any sort that you are being wrongly accused, please visit my talkpage by clicking the "76" in my signature. Cheers, Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  21:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)