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History Development on Balinese and Javanese
http://cfa.org/Portals/0/documents/minutes/20080201-transcript.pdf YEEESSSSSS I Finally found the page for breeders and who vote, and why XD

There was discussion in the The Cat Fanciers' Association on merging the two breeds into one breed with two color divisions as early as 2006. In 2008, breeders in the Balinese Breed Council and Javanese Breed Council voted to combine the Balinese and Javanese as one breed. The Javanese is a hybrid between Colorpoint Shorthair and Balinese. CFA was the only organization where it believe the Javanese was a separate breed. However, that changed on May 1, 2009, where they declared the Javanese is a color division of the Balinese. In 2010, the two breeds were completely combined. This movement has brought CFA more in line with the other worldwide registries. The reason why CFA made this change because the two councils were overlapping with the same members who breed and exhibited the two types. The two councils memberships has overlapped an average around 50% to 75%.

This does not affect the colors or description of Balinese, since there are two separate divisions but they are just placed under the Balinese. Javanese will still has the same colors as before, along with Balinese having the same colors mentioned below. This does not affect the purity of Balinese simply because the two breeds are "not registered" to mate with each other.

Combining the two breeds will hopefully increase Balinese registration in CFA, by encouraging new breeders/exhibitors of Balinese to come forth and present their cat. They also wished to show more javanese of the appopriate coat length in the shows. This will also help decrease the number of cats needed to have and maintain a healthy breeding program.

http://cfa.org/Portals/0/documents/breedcouncil/bcballot2017-balinese.pdf

http://cfa.org/Portals/0/documents/breeds/rules/balinese.pdf

http://cfa.org/Breeds/BreedsAB/Balinese/BalineseArticle.aspx

Introduction
In the American standard, color variants derived from the Colorpoint Shorthair are further considered a separate breed, known as the Javanese. <--- Don't understand this sentence

There is a blood connection between these cats; however there is no connection between the names of these cats. These cats have no connection whatsoever to Bali and Java, from which they derive their names. The breeders who were breeding them selected those names for these cats.

There is no particular connection between these cats and the Indonesian islands of Bali and Java, from which they derive their names. <--- no connection between the countries, but they are very have a special kin(think of it as Balinese as one of the founding parents of the Javanese, and the colorprint shorthair as the other parent of the Javanese).

Like their Siamese ancestors, Balinese are sociable, vocal, playful and inquisitive, and considered an intelligent breed. (again super nice adjectives for a nice cat)

History
The "Balinese" is not actually from Bali or any part of Indonesia. (hardcover book by helen smith supports this, along with movie.)

Its history begins with the first Siamese cats that were imported from Thailand to the U.S. and UK in the mid-1800s, some of whom carried the recessive long-haired gene. <-- has sites to support were imported from Thailand, but can't find year or date

The Balinese breed subsequently originated from deliberate breeding efforts based around this naturally expressed genetic trait. <--- ah this is true. people started to breed this cat from it's genetic trait.

Initially, occasional long-haired kittens in Siamese litters were considered a fault in the bloodlines and sold exclusively as pets. <--- true, helen made a really depressing point at how the cats were treated.

There are records of these cats as early as the 1920s; "Long-haired Siamese" were first registered as show cats with the American Cat Fanciers Federation (CFF) in 1928. <--- 1928 is true, can't find websites for 1920s yet

A breeder named Sylvia Holland (who was also an illustrator for Walt Disney Studios) worked to further establish the breed standard in the 1960s and 1970s. <-- also true, helen supports this quote talk her history from (Cat fanciers book)

She recognized only cats showing the classic Siamese points in seal, chocolate, blue and lilac as true Balinese, refusing to accept others on the grounds that they had likely originated from crosses with other breeds.

The American Cat Fanciers' Association (CFA) had meanwhile officially classified Siamese with the newer red and cream as well as lynx (tabby) and tortoiseshell (or "tortie") patterned points as a separate breed, the Colorpoint Shorthair, and the long-haired cats derived from these colors and patterns were subsequently likewise classified separately as "Javanese", in keeping with the Indonesian island theme. <-- true for awhile, there are dates for it... might add that in here for when they established it?

Sylvia Holland's Balinese kittens, circa 1971

Like their Siamese ancestors, the Balinese gradually split into two separate varieties based on physical type The traditional Siamese (also called old-style or "apple-head", now being separately developed as the Thai), was the type in vogue when the Balinese was established, and hence used in its development; these old-style Balinese still closely resemble those from the early breeding programs. <-- true, not sure about the Thai part, but true.

As the parent short-haired Siamese gained in popularity, however, a trend developed in favor of a more extremely elongated, slender type with a distinctively wedge-shaped head. The modern (or "contemporary") Balinese was subsequently derived directly from this newer Siamese ideal. By the mid-1980s, the old-style Balinese, like their Siamese counterparts, had disappeared from most cat shows, with the exception of a few breeders who maintained the original Balinese type. The two varieties of Balinese thus have very few if any recent ancestors in common.

mention cat standards, and how the cat Balinese were accepted by CFA (1960s to 1970s ish) (need more evidence to talk about cat shows)

CFA (original) re-read and see if you can addd anything from here to wikipedia article
In 2008, breeders voted to merged the Balinese and Javanese as one breed. The Javanese is a hybrid between Colorpoints and Balinese. CFA was the only organization where it believe the Javanese was a separate breed. However, that changed on May 1, 2009, where they declared Javanese is a color division of the Balinese. In 2010, the two breeds were completely combined. This brings the CFA more in line with the other worldwide registries.(http://www.subali-klm.com/javanese/index.html) <--- I think this is good, but it needs more information. Breeders are hard to determine. It was either the Siamese Cat Council or one of the commitees from CFA who made this happen. I did find polls, but it has the date 2012, which makes no sense. In 2007, Siamese mentioned it briefly how there is another issue arising and that if this issue isn't solved it will be the same issue like Balinese-Javanese. So the council was talking about this since 2007, however, I can't find anything related to the voting process. The Siamese Council mentioned that the "uprising issue" has a small gene pool, and needs to find a way to keep reproducing without "another cat" and they are wondering if they will use shorthair to keep reproducing those cats, and bla bla. Point is, if they get a small gene pool which similar "DNA" of colorpoint shorthair, it might make it a division of another "Siamese-cat" breed. It's too complicated to talk about, and internet won't give me the tools to figure it out. This is troubling info.

health problems
They are considered a healthy breed with only few health potential problems.

There has been some incidences of these felines having dilated cardiomyopathy, which is a disease that enlarges the heart muscles that decreases heart function. Another potential(look for another word) health problem for them is liver amlyoidosis or systemic amyloidosis, which both eventually leads to liver failure. It is very common for them to get damage in their livers than anywhere. (try to rephrase). (source to add: https://www.embracepetinsurance.com/cat-breeds/balinese, http://www.vetstreet.com/cats/balinese#health). Liver amlyoidiosis typically occurs in any members from the Siamese Cat Breed. (http://cattime.com/cat-breeds/balinese-cats#/slide/1). Since the Balinese is a mutation off Siamese, it might have inherited disorders directly related to Siamese(https://icatcare.org/advice/cat-breeds/balinese).

It has been reported that another potential health problem is Progressive retinal atrophy(PRA)((https://icatcare.org/advice/cat-breeds/balinese), which is a loss or degeneration of the retina in the eye, which will eventually lead to weak or impaired vision.(https://icatcare.org/advice/cat-health/progressive-retinal-atrophy). There are many other possibilities that are rare, but still possible for this cat to conceive which is Mediastinal lymphoma, and Asthma(http://cattime.com/cat-breeds/balinese-cats#/slide/1).

This is a pedigree breed and this breed was developed from such a small gene pool, which means they are likely to inherited many health disorders, but not might be well known. The only really confirmed diseases through national sites is PRA. Others diseases that were mentioned are possibilites for this cat to receive.

There are also some claims that they are at a low risk for hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM).

Most of this information are reported, but not confirmed by scientists or other researchers. It has been reported, and also linked to the Siamese Cat, mainly because Siamese Is the ancestor of the Balinese cat. Therefore, most of these disorders could be true, but there hasn't been enough research to support. The only thing for sure is PRA, which was confirmed though a national site(.org).

Fun info
Sections that needs a lot of work on : History, Introduction, Health Problems(might add cross eyed there instead of genetics), and I need to check all references to make sure they weren't duplicate :)

From BOOK

The name was given to the Balinese by Helen Smith since "Bali is close to Siam(Thailand), and two, their movements were thought to be like the Balinese Dancers.

In Australia, it is known as the Oriental Longhair.

In france, it is the Balinais.

In Germany, the Balinesen.

1968, a club was formed called the "The Balinese Breeders and Fans Intentional", and they launched am magazine called "Speaking Balinese".

0 - 670- 88639 - 4 ISBN

Cat Breeds of the World

Desmond Morris

Cat Shows - directly from CFA book - 2004 copyright date
In 1970, CFA accepted Balinese for the championship competitions. (rephrase))

random bred = pedigree breed (from book)

In 1975, Balinese achieved grand champion status

early as 1900s, (date keeps changing)

Balinese does not have an undercoat, so they require little grooming. They shed very little fur, and their fur won't mat or get tangled easily.

ISBN : 0-06-270233-5

The Cat Fanciers Complete cat Book

By CFA and its associates

Articles that I'm currently working on
-Balinese Cat Sections that needs a lot of work : History, Appearance, Genetics, Health Problems, References https://www.thehappycatsite.com/balinese-cats/  https://www.thehappycatsite.com/balinese-cats/ (has a lot of health information potential). https://www.petmd.com/cat/breeds/c_ct_balinese https://www.fantasticpetcare.co.uk/blog/balinese/

https://icatcare.org/advice/cat-breeds/Balinese

http://cats.animal-world.com/Cat-Mutations/BalineseCat.php

https://www.fantasticpetcare.co.uk/blog/balinese/

http://cattime.com/cat-breeds/balinese-cats#/slide/1

https://breedguide.trupanion.com/cat/Balinese

http://www.vetstreet.com/cats/balinese#health

https://www.pdsa.org.uk/taking-care-of-your-pet/looking-after-your-pet/kittens-cats/balinese (PRA)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hyew7 <vidoe

http://www.tresorsiamesecats.com/balinesecathistory.html <interesting pics and history of balinese

http://cattime.com/cat-breeds/balinese-cats#/slide/1 < lots of information on health problems

https://www.petmd.com/cat/breeds/c_ct_balinese

https://www.cat-world.com.au/balinese-cat-breed-profile.html

https://heymeoww.com/balinese-javanese-cats/ < another video

we need more books and enclopyedias

and personally talk to the council to get an idea on who vote and how it was done :I