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=Holst=

It is interesting to see the various attempts to explain Gustav Holst's possible Swedish ancestry. In Sweden, where Holst is largely unknownm, it is presented as a prominent fact which, however, is not elaborated upon. Thus Swedish Sohlmans musiklexikon (Sohlman's Music Dictionary, 5 volumes), 2n edition, Vlumme 3 (1976) presents Holst as am "English comoser and conductor of Swedish descent".

Tim riley makes it clear above that the Holst family believed in their Swedish ancestry. This is one of the few things that can be said with certainty. A note note to that effect and a statement of the general uncertainty of the matter might eventually be added to the English-language article.

Short, who looks like the most authoritative modern sorce, traces the family's Baltic German rooots in line with the Geni database, which is not a reliable source in itself. If one wew to look futher for Scandinnavian connections one might study the records of University of Rostock where the first recorded family member most likely studied. Rostock had numerous Scandinavian students at that time, and one could think that a few of them stayed in the area after graduation.

More importantly, Tim's note above provides material for the revision of the Swedish Wikipedia article on Gustav Holst. That is my first priority. Roufu (talk) 10:27, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

=Wallenberg=

Personer med namnet Wallenberg ordnande alfabetiskt

 * André Oscar Wallenberg (1816–1886)
 * Axel Fingal Wallenberg (1874–1963)
 * Axel Wallenberg (skulptör) 1898-1996) - inte i finanssläkten
 * Axel Wallenberg (1958-2011) (”Wawa”)
 * Berit Wallenberg (1902-1995)
 * Erik Wallenberg - inte i finanssläkten
 * Gustaf Oscar Wallenberg (1863–1937)
 * Gustaf Wally (1905–1966)
 * Jacob Wallenberg (författare) (1746–1778)
 * Jacob Wallenberg (1892–1980) (”Jaju”)
 * Jacob Wallenberg (f. 1956)
 * Knut Agathon Wallenberg (1853–1938)
 * Marcus Wallenberg d. ä.(1744-1799), kyrkoherde i Linköping
 * Marcus Wallenberg (1774-1833)
 * Marcus Wallenberg (1781-1812) komminister
 * Marcus Wallenberg senior (1864–1943) vice häradshövding
 * Marcus Wallenberg junior (1899–1982) (”Dodde”)
 * Marcus Wallenberg (född 1956) (”Husky”)
 * Marc Wallenberg (1924–1971) ("Boy-Boy")
 * Jacob Oscar Wallenberg (1872–1939)
 * Peder Wallenberg (född 1935)
 * Peter Wallenberg senior (f. 1926) (”Pirre”)
 * Peter Wallenberg junior (f. 1959) (”Poker”)
 * Raoul Wallenberg (1912–ca.1947)

Släktträd finanssläkten
=God of the Gaps=
 * Marcus Wallenberg d. ä.(1744-1799), kyrkoherde i Linköping
 * Marcus Wallenberg (1774-1833)
 * André Oscar Wallenberg (1816–1886)
 * Knut Agathon Wallenberg (1853–1938)
 * Gustaf Oscar Wallenberg (1863–1937)
 * Raoul Oscar Wallenberg
 * Raoul Wallenberg (1912-ca. 1947)
 * Marcus Wallenberg senior (1864–1943) (”häradshövdingen”)
 * Jacob Wallenberg (1892–1980) (”Jaju”)
 * Peder Wallenberg (född 1935)
 * Marcus Wallenberg junior (1899–1982) (”Dodde”)
 * Marc Wallenberg (1924–1971) ("Boy-Boy")
 * Marcus Wallenberg (född 1956) (”Husky”)
 * Axel Wallenberg (1958-2011) (”Wawa”)
 * Peter Wallenberg senior (f. 1926) (”Pirre”)
 * Jacob Wallenberg (född 1956)
 * Peter Wallenberg junior (f. 1959) (”Poker”)
 * Jacob Oscar Wallenberg (1872–1939)
 * Berit Wallenberg (1902-1995) arkeolog, konsthistoriker, donator
 * Axel Fingal Wallenberg (1874–1963), gift med
 * Elsa Wallenberg
 * Gustaf Wally (1905–1966)
 * Jacob Wallenberg (författare) (1746–1778)
 * Christina Wallberg gift med Johan Månsson
 * Marcus Wallenberg (1781-1812) komminister i Landeryd

Origins of the term
The concept, although not the exact wording, goes back to Henry Drummond, a 19th century evangelist lecturer, from his Lowell Lectures on The Ascent of Man. He chastises those Christians who point to the things that science can not yet explain—"gaps which they will fill up with God"—and urges them to embrace all nature as God's, as the work of "... an immanent God, which is the God of Evolution, is infinitely grander than the occasional wonder-worker, who is the God of an old theology."

During World War II the German theologian and martyr Dietrich Bonhoeffer expressed the concept in similar terms in letters he wrote while in a Nazi prison. Bonhoeffer wrote, for example:
 * "...how wrong it is to use God as a stop-gap for the incompleteness of our knowledge. If in fact the frontiers of knowledge are being pushed further and further back (and that is bound to be the case), then God is being pushed back with them, and is therefore continually in retreat. We are to find God in what we know, not in what we don't know."

In his 1955 book Science and Christian Belief Charles Alfred Coulson (1910−1974) wrote:
 * There is no 'God of the gaps' to take over at those strategic places where science fails; and the reason is that gaps of this sort have the unpreventable habit of shrinking.

and
 * Either God is in the whole of Nature, with no gaps, or He's not there at all.

Coulson was a mathematics professor at Oxford University as well as a Methodist church leader, often appearing in the religious programs of British Broadcasting Corporation. His book got national attention, was reissued as a paperback, and was reprinted several times, most recently in 1971. It is claimed that the actual phrase 'God of the gaps' was invented by Coulson.

The term was then used in a 1971 book and a 1978 article, by Richard Bube. He articulated the concept in greater detail in Man come of Age: Bonhoeffer’s Response to the God-of-the-Gaps (1978). Bube attributed modern crises in religious faith in part to the inexorable shrinking of the God-of-the-gaps as scientific knowledge progressed. As humans progressively increased their understanding of nature, the previous "realm" of God seemed to many persons and religions to be getting smaller and smaller by comparison. Bube maintained that Darwin's Origin of Species was the "death knell" of the God-of-the-gaps. Bube also maintained that the God-of-the-gaps was not the same as the God of the Bible (that is, he was not making an argument against God per se, but rather asserting there was a fundamental problem with the perception of God as existing in the gaps of present-day knowledge).