User:Rubikonchik/Erikupoeg

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Statement of the dispute
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User Erikupoeg deliberately tries to provide false translation of respectable sources, has also recourse to insults and personal attacks on articles related to Sofia Rotaru, their talk pages. Although not providing any source ot citation at all to support his assertions, he considers "any argument is good to exclude info" (in this case namely about revenues of Sofia Rotaru)... I have been assuming good faith for months, providing him with any possible sources and answers. But it always comes to the same end. User:Erikupoeg has tagged and deleted large portions of the article Sofia Rotaru and tagged all of the remaining article with citation requests. User:Erikupoeg speaks Russian, and may also find all the desired sources, as the info about Sofia Rotaru is not something difficult to find online...--Rubikonchik (talk) 21:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Desired outcome
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First I would like to make sure some action is taken about the insults and personal attacks in my regard, second I would like his bad faith editing to stop, and generally I would like to see his constructive and not disruptive approach to editing articles related to Sofia Rotaru (ex. Figaro, Chervona Ruta...).

Description
''{Add summary here, but you must use the section below to certify or endorse it. Users who edit or endorse this summary should not edit the other summaries, other than to endorse them.}'' User Erikupoeg deletes important info, reverts his edits even when the citations and sources are provided, and then provides fake translataion of provided by me sources, with nothing to support his synthesis...

Evidence of disputed behavior
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 * regarding revenues of Sofia Rotaru, confirmation that the provided by me translation is correct and that Erikupoeg's assertions are either bad faith or lack of knowledge of Russian, bad faith (please see the talk page and the history of edits of the article to get an idea how long was it lasting), Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Russia--Rubikonchik (talk) 20:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * personal attacks, personal attacks, personal attacks
 * deliberate fake translation (please see the talk page and the history of edits of the article to get an idea how long was it lasting)
 * Figaro - dusruptive deliberate edits, Figaro - dusruptive deliberate edits (please see the talk page and the history of edits of the article to get an idea how long was it lasting)
 * Chervona Ruta - disruptive edits again (please see the talk page and the history of edits of the article to get an idea how long was it lasting)

Applicable policies and guidelines
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 * Personal attacks,
 * Disruptive editing,
 * Bad faith editing.

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 * --Rubikonchik (talk) 23:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Response
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Recently I have been involved in editing the article on Sofia Rotaru and pages that link to it. When I started in April, the Rotaru article looked like a WP:FANSITE and the linking pages like WP:Coatracks. In trying to resolve this, I met the fierce resistance of User:Rubikonchik who has created these and calls every change on his pet artist a "personal attack", "bad faith" or "disruptive editing". Perhaps I have used a too heavy hand in the fight for the integrity of the pages but indeed this has been induced by the relentlessly defensive nature of Rubikonchik's editing and the fact while the 3O process has failed to achieve any results, I have been virtually the only one achieving some results on the issues.

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 * 1) Jaan Pärn (talk) 12:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Outside view
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Outside view by Irbisgreif
I recently came across this mess, and noticed it getting out of hand. The arguments Erikupoeg and the maker of this RfC have gotten into are quite nasty and large, and both editors need to calm down. I am confused that there is such serious edit warring over such a silly topic. (Edit warring over a pop singer? Really!?). I requested protection (which was granted, for 3 months) on the page in question and have started to get involved to try and defuse the arguing. I think both editors need to remember to assume good faith and read up on Wikipedia guidelines, especially WP:NOR and WP:RS. I don't think punitive measures should be applied, I think the page protection will help both users step back and calm down.

Users who endorse this summary:
 * 1) Irbisgreif (talk) - Obviously.
 * 2) I applied the protection, and told the users to work their stuff out. That's been my only involvement. IOW, I agree with Irbisgreif. tedder (talk) 23:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Outside view by HelloAnnyong
I first got involved in this conflict several months ago by responding to a third opinion. It's true that this is a fairly silly battle, but it's spilled over into several other articles, including one that eventually got deleted in an AfD for being a coatrack article. Erikupoeg's edit summaries have been rather heavy handed, but I really haven't seen anything that's bad enough to warrant blocking, and to this end, I think that Rubikonchik is being a little thin-skinned. Having said that, I believe that this little RfC is somewhat unjustified, as Rubikonchik has not be innocent. Time and again, s/he will randomly readd their edits and try to justify them by misinterpreting my views on the topic. I know two people isn't fully consensus, but Erikupoeg and I were in agreement on a number of sourcing issues and Rubikonchik would just really ignore anything we had to say. I think it's also worth pointing out that Erikupoeg is active on a lot of other pages, whereas Rubikonchik's edit focus mainly on Rotaru.

Anyway, it's unfortunate that it came to this, but I'm with Irbis in that no punitive measures should really be taken. I am unconvinced that page protection will really help anything, though; I think there's too much bad blood here for both editors to just put aside their differences and work together. But hey, we'll see. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 02:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary:
 * 1) Myself? &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 02:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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Please comment on actions and recent edits of User:Erikupoeg--Rubikonchik (talk) 21:19, 2 August 2009 (UTC)