User:Rueben lys/India RfC

Please note this is a only a record'' of the sources influencing my opinion during the RfC in the India talk page brought in turn by myself and. This is not intended to influence opinion of the reader of this page and should only be adjudged when produced in support of a given argument and not in isolation.''

I have tried to edit the history section to say that the political movement started in the last decades of the 19th century, that Congress came to be the strongest one of many pollitical organisations, there was non-violent and violent philosophies with considerable following of both, that Gandhi forefronted the movement from 1920s, and that there were three notable events in the last five years of the movement that are held of quite considerable importance with relation to the movement. I have referenced my edits to respectable sources including the Encyclopaedia Britannica, BBC's history section, and a number of published accounts of the Raj and the independence movement. These edits have been repeatedly reverted by user Fowler&Fowler who insists that the bit on independence movement can not and should not be expanded anymore, as well as that what my edits are trying to cede more than deserved importance to non-notable events. Hie has also insisted that nothing outside the Gandhian movement is notable and insists on a version that says that
 * The movement started in the first decades of the twentieth century (It didn't and is thus factually wrong, only the first non-cooperation movement started around that time).
 * That the Congress started the movement (It did not, the pollitical movement for independence had already started long before the Congress, the party was founded in 1885 and rapidly came to the forefront of the political campaign).
 * Millions of people engaged in civil disobedience with a commitment to Gandhi's philosophy of Ahimsa. (This in particular seems to be a PoV statement, since more radical movements with considerable public support already existed before Gandhi arrived in India, Gandhi's philosophy was one of many strong views, as well as that Congress itself became divided in the late 1920s on wether to keep following Gandhi's strategy or to take more radical means. Also Quit India Movement was undertaken with a commitment far from Ahimsa).

Fowler also insists that no mention at all of the Indian National Army, Red Fort trials and the Bombay mutiny as well as the tense pollitcal and public situation after the war is admissible to the article because
 * His sources and other encyclopaedias he quotes (which do mention other movements in a considerably larger section on the Indian independence movement) are said to ascribe these as nonnotable and he insists that in the article the the independence section be compressed, and for the sake of comressing, nothing else is seen as "making the cut". The references I have provided are not given considered at all, which seems to me to pass into more of an article ownership issue.
 * Fowler mentioned earlier that the India article is modelled on the Australia artice, which has a considerably detailed history section and includes quite details the History of modern Australia, especially of notable events from early 1900s through to 1950s I can't see why Fowler refuses to accept that this can be done for this article as well. And also, why is Fowler deciding???
 * I have a feeling Fowler has a PoV issue with certain very notable Indian nationalists, particularly Subhas Bose, which I say because of the general tone of his comments here.

I have tried to address my concerns to Fowler, but I have not seen any efforts to collaborate, and have had not reasons or seen efforts to believe that a constructive process is possible. Also his comments on unoing my revision was Reuben Iys, you can't impose you idiosyncratic version of history and include sizeable text and more sizeable footnotes without discussion on the talk page which seems to me to be an obstruction to constructive editing bourne out of an ownership issue.

At least two other editors have expressed the view that the my edits do hold ground and that the section could be improved and also that the edits should be discussed instead of edit-warring. One other editor has expressed the view that Fowler's views are justified based on entries from other encyclopaedias, which I feel needs to be addressed since other sources which I have referenced hold a different view

I would like these concerns to be addressed since my efforts to make the history section more comprehensive is being frustrated here. I have no intention of edit warring and would like to see a collaboration to improve on the article.Rueben lys 23:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

My earleri concerns are compounded by this discussion in Fowler's talk page which might suggest there is issue about ownership and collaboration problems.Rueben lys 23:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Excerpts and contents from some Rueben's sources
I believe you would find similar arguments in Pyarelal's Maharma Gandhi: The Last Phase, (Vol. IX).