User:SandyGeorgia/Barnstars





Through April 2009
 This barnstar page design was respectfully lifted from.

Thank you for your help
You have earned this 1956 Hungarian Revolution Barnstar for stepping in at the right time to keep its FAR from spinning out of control István (talk) 05:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Woah, Sandy
Meant to say "Niiice archiving" before the weekend, but then went out and the rest is a bit of a blur. So here goes:

You are so quick!
..and you beat be to this one by a nanosecond:. I'd give you some chocolates but I have run out of them. Graham Colm (talk) 21:06, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

PS. Here's a Barnstar I made for Colin. You are only the second recipient of this prestigious award! Graham Colm (talk) 21:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! 6

 * — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * — Thegreatdr (talk) 15:26, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * —  Lova Falk     talk   08:51, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * — Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 08:54, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * — Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  15:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Miss you, but I can't say that I'm really feeling it anymore around here either, so I understand. MastCell Talk 15:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * — Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 03:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello

 * Well, hola y un abrazo to you, too ! Thank you for the kind words ... I've been much busier lately than in my former years of editing, but it's always nice to see an old friendly face!  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:22, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Nice to see you back Sandy. Eric   Corbett  14:59, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you ! But ... I was so fond of that other guy!  Must I call you "Eric" now ?  Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:08, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, it is my (real) name, but I'll still answer to Malleus. Eric   Corbett  14:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Keep up the good work!

 * Thank you, John; most kind of you and the encouragement is appreciated. Best regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Duck hunting
You did a ton of work on the cannabis articles and preserving FA's over the past few months. So, I wanted to say:

Lol...nice job though. ;)  Seppi  333  (Insert 2¢ &#124; Maintained) 10:29, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors! (2013)

 * please help translate this message into the local language

Civic pride for you! (new wiki-love message)
Dear Sandy, do please consider visiting the real Bologna – a damn fine city! While in Bologna, you'll get the chance to enjoy some of the many local delicacies, including genuine mortadella and other salumi, which you might like to wash down with a glass of sparkling pignoletto at the Osteria del Sole. Just don't expect to find any spaghetti bolognese (or other baloney). Though there'll certainly be plenty of good tagliatelle al ragù... Cheers! 86.164.164.29 (talk) 14:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! 14

 * , nice timing and deeply appreciated :) :) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:37, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I just came here for exactly the same reason. Alright, *checks list of barnstars* it looks like you haven't received one of these in a while. :-)


 * Why thanks so much, ; the encouragement is most welcome! Some day, I may get lucky and a student will stick around to help with the heavy lifting :)  Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:13, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors! (2015)

 * please help translate this message into the local language

Thanks again :) -- Doc James  along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 03:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors! (2018)
Thanks again :-) --  Doc James  along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 17:41, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! 15

 * Oh, Matthew ... how ever so kind of you. Thank you so much!  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  01:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It's nothing compared to the work you do! I think I just saw 20 edits from you fly by on my watchlist. Seriously some good work right there. &#8213; Matthew J. Long -Talk-☖  03:07, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Be careful about counting my edits ... they are usually trivialities, and I often take three edits to accomplish what I should in one! Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  03:09, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Nah some of these are pretty substantial though. Seriously. &#8213; Matthew J. Long -Talk-☖  03:15, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

 * Thank you, ; that is most kind of you, and I love Baklava! Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  08:43, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations on TFA: Tourette syndrome

 * Thank you! But the real thanks go to those who had to work overtime to clean up my prose: , ,  and .  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  14:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors! (2020)

 * please help translate this message into your local language via meta

Thanks again :-) --  Doc James  along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 18:35, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you 17
Thank you, -- although I have not done nearly enough. Thanks to you, too! Sandy Georgia (Talk)  16:19, 24 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I second this. Thanks for your careful guiding virus into TFA, after my initial idea. I was a bit reluctant to engage in the 2nd discussion, don't want to be too pushy. It ended fine, the blurb reads fine, see what happens to this :-)  -DePiep (talk) 15:47, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oops, that is Introduction_to_viruses then ;-) . -DePiep (talk) 15:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Merchandise Giveaway Nomination – Successful


Hey SandyGeorgia,

You have been successfully nominated to receive a free t-shirt from the Wikimedia Foundation through our Merchandise Giveaway program. Congratulations and thank you for your hard work! Please email us at merchandise@undefinedwikimedia.org and we will send you full details on how to accept your free shirt. Thanks!

On behalf of the Merchandise Giveaway program,

-- janbery (talk) 23:08, 10 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you, (and ), but you can save the postage, and I will be content with the picture.  No one at WMF has my name and address, and I've resolved lately not to even give that info to T&S, but I do appreciate the thought. If it's possible for me to donate my t-shirt to Sdkb, or someone else, I would be interested, though. Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  23:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * NOTE: nomination

In further appreciation

 * Seconded 100%! (t &#183; c)  buidhe  15:51, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Barnstar 3

 * P.s I went to add my keep !vote but it was already closed! Well done all. Victoria (tk) 23:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Me too! Fantastic work, sorry I couldn't keep up. Now all you have to do is read the books! Johnbod (talk) 23:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * To celebrate, I went and ate the ears off my chocolate Easter bunny two days early! Thank you, both.   owes me more chocolate bunnies!  The best part was interacting with two editors I scarcely knew,  and .  Ha, if they only knew what awaits ... the endless pinging to future FARs :). A wonderful save for all involved.  Slow and steady wins the race.  Bst, Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  00:17, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I hope the ears were yummy and I await the pings—can't promise I'll always be ready for heavy lifting but rescue projects are always something special. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 04:38, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This is very well deserved. One of FAR's finest moments. Hog Farm Talk 05:00, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Eating the ears of your chocolate bunny two days early?? Tsk, tsk!! Sorry for the crankiness on my end and for not even being able to get here in time to cast the !keep I'd intended. Anyway, very impressive effort. Victoria (tk) 15:43, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I was so tired when that finished that even my feet hurt. Starting to recover ... thanks for the support, Victoria! Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  00:33, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I also endorse this barnstar. May your feet recoverable and thrive! Ceoil (talk) 01:27, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Other nice things

 * Who is Sandy Georgia? - "Sandy is a complicated person in real life. She passes her time in simple surroundings, trying to deflect the worship of those who know her and use her gifts to help others. She has been hunted as a fugitive, cursed as a tomb-robber, and is renowned as a lover and duelist. She is a worshiped as a God in Honduras, but is an outlaw in Peru. No living man knows her real name, as she only whispers it into the ears of those she is about to kill. All love her and hate her, she is SandyGeorgia." -- Tim Vickers


 * Finding an audience at FAC – a keeper from Yomangani:

He obviously needs to add in the info about the video game featuring a dinosaur which is based on The Simpsons episode in which Gwen Stefani sings about Ethelred the Unready and Mary Wollstonecraft failing to join the expedition after they were blown away in a hurricane during the battle of Pearl Harbor. That might attract some reviewers. ;) Yomangani talk 19:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Qp's thoughts on being nagged "to distraction" as the "mother of the whole process"

Dear SandyGeorgia
Dear SandyGeorgia I am writing this to you; And I hope that you will read it so you'll know... My heart beats like a hammer, and I stutter and I stammer, every time I see your edits grow.

I guess I'm just another fan of yours and I thought I'd write and tell you so......

You made me come back... I didn't want to do it I didn't want to do it, but you forced my hand!

And all the time you knew it, I guess you always knew it-- I think you're grand!!!!

Your work here stuns me! I didn't wanna tell ya, But I had to tell ya-- You'll understand!

That's true, yes I do, deed I do you know I do.

I don't care what happens let the whole world stop, As far as I'm concerned, you're a Wiki Star!

You know you made me love you!!!!

Jeffpw (talk) 07:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

To the First Lady of (April)-Tomfoolery
This made my day, and I totally mean it. Your friend, The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 01:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Greetings
  You got a Christmas card! → → →


 * Seasons Greetings


 * Happy New Year


 * And now, for Fvasconcellos' traditional nonsectarian holiday greeting!


 * Happy holidays



Thanks for making 2008 an interesting and enlightening year for me; our paths have crossed many times, and I have enjoyed the banter on your talk page often. I want to thank you especially for your very kind endorsement of my recent candidacy; I hope you find that your faith in me is fulfilled! Wishing you and yours a joyous holiday season, and happiness, health and hopefulness in 2009. I trust you'll enjoy this little token, a favourite performance of Baby, it's Cold Outside, for your holiday amusement. Best, Risker (talk) 02:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)




 * Seasons Greetings


 * Happy Holidays

Dear SANdy, Merry Christmas. Just two questions, can you reply to my important question above? And secondly, what do you think about the article Bad Romance and its chances of survival if nominated for FAC? If you guys say no, then I won't nominate it, as I don't want to clog the page with underprepared nominations. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 11:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas


 * Merry Christmas



The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs has given you a Christmas tree! Christmas trees promote WikiLove and are a great way to spread holiday cheer. Merry Christmas!

Spread the WikiLove by adding to any editor's talk page with a friendly message.

-- The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 03:17, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Christmas Card

Merry Christmas At this festive time, I would like to say a very special thank you to my fellow editors, and take the time to wish you and your loved ones a very Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year. And, in case you can't wait until the big day, I've left you each three special presents, click to unwrap :) Acather96 (talk) 10:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Yellow and Red present.gif


 * Merry, merry




 * Tis the season...


 * Seasons Greetings!

Hope it was a good year, it was for me.. Ceoil (talk) 04:46, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy Chistmas


 * Hogmanay greeting


 * My Sincere Wishes For This Festive Season


 * Holiday wishes...


 * Christmas cheese


 * Happy holidays

Sandy, I'll be thinking of you this holiday season. You've been a great inspiration to many many editors on Wikipedia; you should feel proud of your accomplishments here and that so often you are right (though sometimes it takes a while for people to get the message!). I'm sorry to find this message on your page but fully understand the reasons. The frustrations are huge and all to often overwhelming. Be well and best. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:22, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree this isn't worth fuzzing about, we need to protect our most valuable article writers, and all this drama right or wrong is causing too much damage. Take a short break and come back refreshed. Secret account 04:55, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas, Sandy! - Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 15:14, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Merry Christmas. I hope that the holiday season is going well, and that the coming year is a good one for you. Cheers. :) MastCell Talk 23:06, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 12:33, 25 December 2011 (UTC).
 * Season's tidings!


 * Happy holidays


 * O How can I forget you?? Sorry for that may you have a wonderful holiday. Best, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  06:26, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Happy New Year Sandy



...and a happy new year from me too! May 2012 bring more sanity to this place :) Geometry guy 00:07, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

...and a happy new year from me too! Glad to see you editing TS again. Wishing you and your TPS more content and less drama in 2012. Colin°Talk 12:51, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Kindness
A noble heart cannot suspect in others the pettiness and malice that it has never felt. – Jean Racine

Act with kindness, but do not expect gratitude – Confucius

Best wishes for the new year
Hope this one goes better than the last ended.

Gimmetrow 04:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Strong, resilient and fun!

 * Er, she may be slinky, but yellow? I'd say Red Hot, like Wonderwoman.  :-)  -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Featured article candidates resignation

 * Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/archive55
 * Wikipedia Signpost/2012-01-09/Featured content
 * TFA on resignation day

Admiration
FAC loses a lot in losing you as a delegate, but I am full of admiration for the work you have done there, and for your dedication to Wikipedia in general. Your heartfelt desire to make the best positive impact you can in whatever way you can, in the face of the many challenges Wikipedia faces, is inspiring. Geometry guy 05:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * While we often disagree, I admire all of the work you do for the FA process and and Wikipedia in general. --Guerillero &#124; My Talk  05:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Guerillero-- I don't remember often disagreeing with you (one of the benefits of age)! Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * We're going to miss you, right now this could've come at a worst time. I'd rather resign with peace, but thus is not to be. Hopefully the quote on my talk page is a fluent transition. We'll miss you. :( Mitch 32(Never support those who think in the box) 05:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Have faith-- FAC is practically polluted with some of Wikipedia's best editors, and there will not be any problem. Thanks for the kind words!  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I was going to come offer some chocolate, but perhaps it's best to suggest the entire category, now that you've got more time to enjoy it. Thank you for your service. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:20, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Best. Idea. Ever! Thanks, Nikkimaria-- your work is an inspiration!  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Whatever you do here is simply excellent. Losing you as an FAC delegate is undoubtedly a big and regretful loss. I don't know who will replace you but I can only hope that he/she will be as good as you. It's difficult to get someone better than you. As far as my opinion is concerned, you are Irreplaceable. Take care Sandy. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 06:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Jivesh! Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I will miss you dearly, Sandy. In the few direct interactions I have had with you, I found you provided me with excellent advice on how to proceed with nominations that had either stalled or failed. Your experience and dedication is second to none, and all of the time that you have put forth into FAC was time well spent, I believe. Wikipedia is far greater as a result of your dedication and effort. I wish you luck with the maintenance of all of of the medical articles. Take care. Melicans (talk, contributions) 06:41, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Melicans, most kind of you! Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sandy, you can never be replaced. I hope you will continue work on other aspects of the project. Hawkeye7 (talk) 06:43, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Hawkeye7-- your kind words are most appreciated. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Call me weird, but I think this is good news for you. I personally would much rather be editing medical articles than arguing with folks who disrupt Wikipedia processes. So Congratulations! –One Leaf KnowsAutumn (talk) 06:56, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Whatdyamean, you don't think I'm going to be arguing with folks who disrupt Wikipedia processes on Venezuelan articles? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:45, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * You are wierd, Leaf, but in this case you have it spot on. I've said it before, but Sandy, if you ever want a justification for your years as FAC delegate (for much of that time solo), just consider how far the standards for what makes a featured article have risen during your stewardship. If your career as a content creator matches your achievements as a delegate, Wikipedia has much to look forward to. FAC will survive, no doubt, hopefully building on your legacy. So, if in future you need a review, a copyedit or any such cooperation, please don't hesitate to contact me. Brianboulton (talk) 13:46, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Brian; you probably know I am awestruck by your prolific and excellent work. All the best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:45, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Goddamn motherfucking cocksucking son of a bitch fuckface shit shit shit twatdiddling fuckdamn. --Moni3 (talk) 14:19, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna tell my better half you're making eyes at me! Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:20, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I've been biting my tongue for about a week, and unfortunately am very aware how this started and where it came from. I thought you've shown great fortitude in the face of intolerable hostility. You've dealt with it better than I could have any day - but I'm only a thinskinned wiki writer, you're the one who makes the hard decisions. Personally I'd like you to reconsider. I think being forced into something like this is a bad way to go, but if it's what you feel is right then grudgingly I'll tell you good luck. Truthkeeper (talk) 14:37, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the well wishes, I won't be reconsidering, but TK, I'd personally be pleased if we could keep the f'ing c comments off of FAC-- I don't think we need to get this mess tangled up with the Malleus case, as I've already seen allegations elsewhere that I resigned over the Malleus situation. Would you mind redacting that post at WT:FAC?  Thank you for your support over the years.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:40, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for striking, TK-- appreciated. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * FWIW - I wasn't referring to Malleus at all. I'm very much to blame for this and have been feeling guilty about it for a long time. Time for me to go. Truthkeeper (talk) 14:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No you're not to blame; there's a campaign under way, dirty politics and all, and no one of good faith could have been expected to have seen that back in November considering that FAC was previously free of such politics. Now, stop putting up wikibreak notices.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I was used by a lot of people and I foolishly let myself. The result was "proof" of how bad and cliquish the FAC writers and by extension FAC is, leading up to this which was well-orchestrated. I don't suffer fools and can't forgive myself for having let that happen. The only excuse is that I had a lot going on IRL and wasn't totally hooked in. Truthkeeper (talk) 15:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Your excuse, TK, is the same as mine; when you have a clean conscience and pure mind, you just don't think that way, or imagine that others are capable of such advance orchestration. Now, I'd like for this tangential discussion to end ... I resigned because it was time.  :)  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:12, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to add that the wikibreak had nothing to do with you or Malleus. I've just come through a truly terrible year that was capped off by a lot of unnecessary wiki drama at a time when I was stretched as thin as could be in real life. I should have taken a break a long time ago (had a page at FAC that kept me here) but I'm better now. My feeling about all of this is that we should be proud of our accomplishments,  (let's face it, this is a hobby and should be a pleasant escape) and sometimes that perspective gets lost in all the noise,  fwiw. Best, Truthkeeper (talk) 17:04, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I was very pleased to see you and Graham on my watchlist in the new year editing your FAs keep them tip top. I'm so glad your edit on my talk page was "I'm back!" rather than "I'm gone!" even though you were announcing your resignation. My mind boggles to think how many (thousands of?) hours you must have spent on this over the four years. To commit that much time as an unpaid volunteer is amazing. Over 1400 promotions? That's a heck of a lot of judging consensus. Bravo! Colin°Talk 15:11, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Colin, it's the privilege of working with excellent individuals (like you) that keeps me here-- hence, "I'm back"! It's 1,423 precisely-- well beyond the point I discussed with you years ago :)  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * SandyGeorgia, adding my two cents of appreciation for your presence here. You're valuable to this site in whatever form you choose to contribute. Very best wishes for the new year, JNW (talk) 15:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, JNW; Happy New Year to you, too! Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sandy you are an amazingly good editor here - amazingly good, thanks for all of your hard work...Modernist (talk) 15:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks to you for same, and Happy New Year there. Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * SG, after our nice chat yesterday, I was really surprised to see this when I woke up. Given the timing, I suspect there is much more to this than medicine, but that's your business. Best wishes. Pumpkin Sky   talk  16:25, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Let me know if you need help on the sapphire-- my time should settle down in a few weeks, but you're in good hands with Casliber. Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm really sorry to see this. Your work at FAC has been perceptive, tactful and insistent - a set of qualities rarely combined. Gimmetoo (talk) 23:20, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Working with you was always a pleasure, Gimme. How about this?   Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:24, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Is that new stuff related to the 2006 mediation? Gimmetoo (talk) 18:42, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not at all, just a re-appearance of an editor after a three-year absence right after I announced my intent to re-engage POV on Venezuela articles. It's been a nice break over there :)  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:46, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Dear Sandy,

I have been shown in the files on the Military history Project a statement from a member of our current coordinator tranche that you are to be retiring from your position within the next 30 days. I understand how powerless we are in the face of these changing times on Wikipedia, and I know that all good things must eventually end, yet I can not refrain from posting here my admiration of your skills and conduct while you were working as an FAC delegate, nor the sorrow I feel as our community loses yet another skilled volunteer due to project apathy. In my eyes, you represent that which is greatest in us all, and I consider myself honored to have received your input on the articles I ran through FAC. Wherever you will go, and whatever you do, I wish you the best of luck and fortune, and pray that you always remain faithful to yourself and and your beliefs.

Your sincerely and respectfully, TomStar81 (Talk) 10:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure how exactly to respond, but I do know this much: FAC has lost an extraordinary editor. Among all the turmoil that plagues Wikipedia from time to time, you have always been a rock, Sandy. Thanks for all that you've done, and give 'em hell. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:58, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Sandy, I always really respected and admired your work at FAC a lot. The rigour that you brought to the process has kept the level of new FAs very high. And thank you for your guidance during the FACs I was involved in. I'm sorry to see you leave your post as an FAC delegate. But I'm also happy for you that now you're going to have time to work on medical articles. I'm sure that's going to be great for you to just be free to do lots of fun editing without having to worry about the responsibilities of FAC. Good luck with all your future projects! Moisejp (talk) 05:24, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Happy New Year. I just wanted to thank you for all the great work you have done at FA over the years (and all the help you have given me), and I hope we get to work on some articles together soon. I hope you have been able to spend more time on writing that is enjoyable for you. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:50, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's always good to see you around here again ... one is known by the company one keeps. Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Recent comments
Bleh my mistake, I didn't see the full history that went back months ago. I thought the recent attack on FAC by TCO and friends had slightly to do with the Malleus ArbCom case because of his involvement with FAC and the bullshit claims (which I heard from quite a number of users, including administrators who should know better) of "favoritism" in the FAC reviewing. Also I been a bit out of touch with the FAC community, as I never seen such drama in the FAC talk page, and this being discussed the same time as the Malleus case, it seemed like it was radical editors adding fuel to everything Malleus is involved with. We are here to build an serious encyclopedia first and foremost, and not drive away our best editors and article writers or attacking our policies and guidelines. Some users obviously don't seem to get the point and need to stop.

It's very sad to see you leave FAC, as you are the no nonsense editor this very important process needed, and you are among the best in reading consensus and understanding policies. Enjoy being a regular editor and I hope you still leave your feedback on certain FACs.

As for me I'm going to participate in FAC more often, including image reviewing and online source/fact checking (though not much in prose as that's a weakness). I couldn't in the past few years because of my poor health and my online spottiness but I have more time this year. Thanks Secret account 07:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem at all, Secret: I just happen to be a TPS and didn't want the notion that I resigned over the Malleus situation to take hold. Malleus is a huge net positive at FAC.  As to "favoritism" in FAC reviewing, cowards can say anything anywhere on the internet, but they rarely say those things out in public and open forums, where the truth gets dissected.  I'm glad you'll be reviewing more often!  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:52, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

For you

 * Thank you, it's most kind of you to think of me now. Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * The respect and admiration is mutual, my dear fisch! There's a FAC delegate opening coming up I'm told :)  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Alas PR would be at a loss without Ruhrfisch. You are both irreplaceable editors in everything you do. Geometry guy 00:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.
It's been a while Sandy, but I'm sorry to see the recent FA circumstances. Anyway, I just want to thank you for all you've done in helping with The Texas Chain Saw Massacre FACs, even if it wasn't ultimately promoted for, like the 6th time? :) You were great in helping out the article.-- Tærkast (Discuss) 17:59, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you-- perseverance, you'll get there, I'm sure! Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I feel quite gutted by your decision; understand your reasoning; regret your decision; thank you for your hard and continuous work in that position; and, wish you well in your chosen areas of editing. If I am still editing in future, please feel free to request assistance over RS/N, citation, weight, or any other issues where you feel my help may improve the encyclopaedia. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:27, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Just a note
Sandy...we haven't always agreed of course, less so lately than I'd like. However, I have always appreciated your efforts in the past to do some copyediting on my FAC's and to provide a generally neutral assessment of my research and especially my admittedly mediocre quality prose. If indeed, as you have stated, we have a core topic area that is suffering with an influx of inaccurate data and your time would be better spent helping to correct that issue, then, as one who is primarily a researcher, I applaud your desires to refocus your energies towards helping ensure we maintain reliability and accuracy in our articles...I have always believed that such is far more important than prose, even in at the FA level, though I recognize that it is prose that is a determining factor (and should be) for any bronze star.--MONGO 18:51, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Mongo, do not pick on anyone's prose in my house, since mine is worse !! Thanks for the note, and best regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:11, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Resignation
I just saw. Sorry to see you leave, you were great in that role. At the same time I can see how it is a lot like herding cats and can be a bit much. Good luck, it will probably be more enjoyable to edit without the stress and headaches from FAC.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 11:27, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It pisses me off, this, and I haven't even been active at FAC for months. I'm still not entirely sure what happened either. Personally, I'm just waiting for everything to cool down and hoping that when that happens, you'll pick back up the mantle there. I most certainly never ragequitted from anything myself, only to join back soon after...  S ven M anguard   Wha?  13:37, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm absolutely certain it's not a "ragequit", that wouldn't be Sandy's style. Malleus Fatuorum 17:48, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Bwaaaahaha ... nice concept, though! Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Good for you :) You are/were a far better delegate than I ever was, but you deserve the break.  Karanacs (talk) 17:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * And we at WP:MED are really looking forwards to you rejoining us. So much important work to be done. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:32, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
for all your work on FAC, good luck on the medical articles Tom B (talk) 17:54, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!
Sorry to hear about all the frustrations at FAC, with the state of medical articles and all. :( I can't thank you enough for your contributions in keeping the FAC process going and raising the quality. I hope to get back to doing more FA writing and reviewing at some point. I am also curious and hopeful efforts like WP Medicine Translation Task force (80 articles to GA or FA) can be helpful, though not sure what I can personally do to help with that.  All the best. --Aude (talk) 04:14, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Resignation
Sandy, I your name from the editnotice at WP:FA, as you had done at the other places where delegates are listed (though I'm sure there are more where we missed it). Thanks again for your service as a delegate over the past years. Ucucha (talk) 16:41, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, there are no other places-- thanks! I'm so sorry you got left with so much work; had I realized what would ensue, I would have made it effective in six weeks, but can't go back now.  Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:36, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

The end of an era


Thank you for your service to Featured Articles. It is the end of an era. Your extreme competence will be missed.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  16:58, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ya think? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:36, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi there
Do you feel comfortable in explaining why you resigned as a FAC delegate? Just curious. Thanks for your services by the way. You did an amazing job. And if it means that you'll now assume a more active role as reviewer, as opposed to that of an impartial delegate, I think it's for the best&mdash;there's a shortage of quality reviewers at FAC. Oran e  (talk)  20:59, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Long time no speak; good to hear from you! Here's the official announcement.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:39, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks from me too
I know we haven't always seen eye-to-eye, but I do respect the huge amount of work you did as a FAC delegate. Many thanks for that, and I hope it will be possible to have a wider discussion of various aspects of reviewing once that RfC has run its course. Carcharoth (talk) 00:51, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha! Thanks. But if you think some of the disruptive forces are going to be happy with us getting back to working on improvements to FAC, or the admin corp is going to do anything to curb their attacks on me, you aren't reading the same Wikipedia I'm reading :) :)  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:54, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I did notice the section below. If you will accept a bit of advice, when you go from a high profile to a lower one, it is best to slow things down a bit, take time to ease back into other things. That's what I did and I found it helped. Anyway, enough of that. Talking of review, one bit of serendipity is that I have to do some work in the coming days that will involve reading up on the history of the sinking of the Titanic (what with the anniversary coming up soon), so I hope to combine that with a review of that FAC. Unfortunately the paid work has to come first. :-( Carcharoth (talk) 00:58, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Carcharoth, you are always well meaning, and your heart is often in the right place, but you can be so silly :) :) Regardless of what "pace" I take, those who have long wanted to get a punch in will do it now.  And those who long benefited for years from my defense of their work, promotion of their work, review of their work, will mostly be silent.  It's the Internet, and more-- it's Wikipedia.  Why should my "pace" be determined by external factors?  I didn't slow down when it came to defending FA writers, FA reviewers, FA content-- why should I be someone different now regardless if they'll turn their backs because of my "lower profile"?  Silly :) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 01:57, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Why would your profile be lower anyway? FA delegates have to be cautiously circumspect in the FAC arena, not something that reviewers have to worry about. And from experience, I'd say that reviewers get their fair share of flak there just as delegates do. And as for slowing down or being silent, well, words fail me ... actually there's an unconscious irony there, as if words have failed me then I'll presumably have to be silent ... sometimes you can think too much. Malleus Fatuorum 02:07, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't have a clue what you're saying or trying to say, Malleus. What I know about life in general-- and about the Interent in particular, and more specifically about Wikipedia-- is that the folks who gathered around when they perceived you had some sort of "power" weren't necessarily gathering 'round for the right reasons. Many of them were just folks benefiting from all the work I did to defend featured content, benefiting from my good name when it came to defending them or their work, and some of them will be noted for their absence when they perceive I'm no longer useful.  That's life.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:22, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No deep meaning, just "blather", as you say. What "power" did you really have as an FAC delegate anyway? You may even find that you can do more back in the trenches, that was all. And if some do abandon you because "you're no longer useful" then you're better off without them around anyway. But it won't happen. BTW, I just had to correct your spelling of "benefitting" above, it made me feel dizzy, hope you don't mind. Malleus Fatuorum 02:29, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * None. But people perceived I did, and came running whenever they needed help. We'll see where they are now. You shoulda been fixing my typos for years!  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:32, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sure people will still be calling on you for help at FAC, perhaps even more than ever did now that you're able to take a more active role in reviewing. Your situation now seems to me somewhat similar to that of Geometry guy at GAN/GAR. But I'll leave you alone now. I've got to get back to the Franco-Mongol Alliance's FAC anyway, where battle lines are being drawn up, something you no longer need to worry about. Malleus Fatuorum 02:41, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

And thanks from me also. It is however disheartening to return and see that AN/I has not changed (or if it has, for the worse); it is still a place where old grudges can be revisited, adjectives substitute for evidence, and histrionics take the place of reasoned discussion. It is amazing that your last day of invaluable service in your former role is occupied by those unfair attacks. Kablammo (talk) 02:17, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome back! Yes, ANI is worse; the new trend is no right of response.  And yes, DYK has gotten worse, too-- before, they could honestly claim ignorance of copyvio et al (they just didn't know).  Now-- years later, and with all the writing done on the topic-- they nonetheless actively endorse walking too close to the line on paraphrasing, no matter the very words describing that in the Dispatch you co-authored.  I guess in an environment of the WMF lamenting our declining editorship, the very words you all wrote about copyvio are no longer true.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:27, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You have always insisted on rigorous sourcing. My first encounter with you was just before the main page appearance of the first FA on which I worked. You went flew through it, demanding citations; I took it as a personal challenge to provide them. The article was much improved by your demands. Authors should welcome questions about their work, for that is the best way to improve it. Kablammo (talk) 02:29, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I was active at DYK for a few months, and there was great resistance to change. There may still be, but at least they are now talking about copyright and plagiarism.  Kablammo (talk) 02:33, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Silly man ! Those days are gone-- it's less about sily Wikipedia policy and more about getting along with WMF employees and WMF goals (there are starting to be more of them than us, and their goals are quantity, not quality--when you're getting paid, you need to show results that aren't necessarily in line with the unpaid volunteers). You helped write that Dispatch (in fact, it may have been you who suggested the makeup of the entire team I put together for that); you knew the line on copyvio and plagiarism as well as everyone else involved did, and you knew the problems at DYK better than most. But now, with declining editorship, they seek more quantity-- not more quality-- in all things Wikipedian.  And, what with SOPA, I don't think the WMF would like the world to know just how much copyvio really exists in here.  Speaking of that team (which was a who's who of knowledgeable copyvio people in its day): Awadewit's TFA was attacked after running at TFA today (nice reward for her new PhD); Elcobbola gave up and pretty much left in the face of so much opposition here to concern about intellectual property (although he'll respond to my image queries); Jbmurray's successful educational project spawned a whole ton of educational projects that don't have the kind of supervision and involvement from the professor that made his a success, so we have students adding copyvio and unsalvageable poorly sourced content faster than estabished editors can remove it (encouraged by the WMF); you left; Moonriddengirl joined WMF, has less time to work on copyvio; and Tony1 is seen less around FAC as he mostly writes these days for the dying Signpost.  Nikkimaria (new since then) is the only person still working on the issues at DYK, and she's doing it all alone. In the interim, Rlevse came back to his old haunts at DYK, and fit right in, unnoticed.  Yes, relative to when you were there and when the Dispatch was written, at DYK they are finally talking about copyright and plagiarism (um, because I make them talk about it ;), but the goalposts have moved, what was clear copyvio when the Dispatch was written no longer is, DYK has chosen to walk close to the line on those borderline cases (quantity over quality), and I'm being shot at ANI for being the messenger about the problem.  And all those "friends" who will sooooooo miss me at FAC are likely to stay silent; can't blame 'em (although I was never silent when it came to defending them or their content)-- going up against WMF and their quantity over quality goals ain't easy. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 03:51, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Notice of discussion at the Administrators' Noticeboard
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Jonathan Agnew at WP:FAC
Hi Sandy. As you know, Dweller and I have this article at FAC but it hasn't had its spot checks or image checks done. Would you be prepared to do that, or could you recommend someone (or some people) who might be able to help with that aspect of its candidacy? Thanks, The Rambling Man (talk) 10:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, gee, lookie there !
So, it seems some folks still do have my talkpage watchlisted, show up here when there's a problem, but their fingers were all broken when I was falsely accused at AN/I and some admin intervention was needed to take various abusive admins to task. Oh, and now that we have another Rlevse copyvio, where is Moonriddengirl? There's a heck of a lot more that Wikipedia's not telling you about just how serious the copyvio problem is in here, not limited to the fact that those raising concerns are shot. So, why didn't the CCI people pick this up? It's not like the Rlevse issue wasn't known. Oh, gee, maybe it's because folks raising copyvio issues aren't taken seriously. 'Ya think?

Seems no one knows where to find facts anymore, but whatdya expect since diffs no longer count for anything at ANI. So, why is this on my talk? Kindly take this problem to admin  and ask what their procedures are and why copyvios that still exist are being cleared there, arb who continues to allege that I continue to allege arbcom impropriety, or admin Rklawton who thinks I need to be blocked for stating accurate diffable facts, this admin who thinks I shouldn't be addressing copyvios, this admin who overlooked Bishonen being called a Bitch, or anyone else who still enjoys participating in a Project where women can be called bitches and witches, admins can overlook or actively hide it, and even threaten those who bring up diffs about it with a block. And I see also that no one at ANI could be bothered to notify Risker, The ed, Brad101 or anyone else as requested (at least Risker might have done something about it).So ... why is the issue of another Rlevse copyvio on my page, after I've been threatened throughout the Wiki for trying to deal with these issues? Dweller and The Rambling Man, please go find another Pollyanna sucker to ask for help when there's a problem, since not one person could be bothered to deal with an abusive admin threatening to block me after other admins turns a blind eye when Bish is called a Bitch, turn a blind eye when it's raised on admin talk pages, turn a blind eye when I'm falsely accused of fabricating original research at ANI, and turn a blind eye when another abusive admin threatens to block me for stating the truth of what happened there. If I were an admin, I might say "fuck off" and get away with it, but since I'm not: hasta luego, babies. Take your problems, your requests for help, and your barnstars elsewhere. My friends know where to find me, always have. Not only is this place unsafe for women: it's unsafe for anyone with integrity. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 21:58, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Here is where we find copyvio investigations (which include gazillions that haven't been addressed for years):  WP:CCI
 * 2) Here is where we find Rlevse copyvio investigations:
 * Contributor copyright investigations/Vanished 6551232 (year and a half old)
 * Contributor copyright investigations/PumpkinSky
 * 1) Here is where we find that it took the CCI a full year to clear Frederick Russell Burnham, and it was cleared by a fellow arb: Contributor copyright investigations/Vanished 6551232


 * Had it not been for you-know-what hanging over my head I'd probably have pitched at ANI, but rest assured, if you ever come across an editor who needs to be told to "fuck off" then I'm your man. At least for a few more days anyway. (Does hasta luego mean "see you later"?) Malleus Fatuorum 22:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not an administrator, and I read about ANI late.
 * For what it's worth, I wrote to Nikkimaria, and asked to be contacted if anybody tried to topic ban her from DYK, the way Hawkeye suggested you being topic banned.
 * With her refreshing naivete, Nikkimaria could not believe that anybody would make such a suggestion and asked for diffs, which I provided. (I did not provide a courtesy notice here, because I thought that you can take care of yourself, and have more powerful admirers than me.) Kiefer .Wolfowitz 22:12, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * And by the time I got there the thing had been closed. Anyways, the issue I raised above has been addressed, so I've taken the bold liberty of removing it entirely. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:18, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You should remember that TParis just stated that it was ridiculous and killed the idiotic proposal. Don't let Hawkeye run you off the project, when nobody supported him. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 22:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I did not suggest a topic ban; I only suggested leaving DYK alone for a while. I wasn't trying to run anybody off the project. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:48, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Aka, a topic ban. Which is just dandy; perhaps you and MRG can clean up all the copyvio occuring over at DKY by yourselves?  Your fellow MilHist editor Rlevse's, as well. The only other person doing it is Nikkimaria.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 01:05, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

@ Malleus, we both know (and everyone knows) there's nothing you could have done. Just as we both know, and everyone knows, there are plenty others-- who are fast to run here when they are falsely accused or need help with an article or a favor or TPS feedback-- could have done.@Kiefer: I see. For the record, my "friends" are almost exclusively the most humble types, to such an extent that most folks don't even know who they are; you won't find my true friends among the "powerful" here.@Nikki: appreciated. But User talk:Rklawton looks wide open from here,, and he's still sitting there smug as a bug for having threatened me with a block if I even continued to defend my self from a false accusation (that included no diffs) with diffable facts. @Kiefer, you don't really think this is about Hawkeye, do you? LOLOLOL !!!! I am still under threat of a block by abusive admins for calling admin abuse at ANI, and a topic ban for raising clear copyvio concerns at DYK.

Malleus, hasta luego means "until later": it's always possible that someday I may regain interest in participating here, but it's hard to imagine that happening when I consider the level of abuse that goes on in here. Let's remember very clearly: your civility case stemmed from one thing-- admin abuse. And we've got arbs focusing on civility, and ignoring the serious abuse we all deal with, until even the kindest, the most knowledgeable, helpful, civil, the best and the brightest quit. I'm with MastCell; this is not a good use of my time. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 22:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad to see that I was the reason Bish retired... thought I explained what I actually meant by doing that, but I guess not. Anyway. Maybe I need to reassess my participation here too so I can avoid getting continuously beaten over the head with this self-admitted mistake. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:43, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * There's a rather strange idea taken root here, which reminds me of the Catholic confessional; so long as administrators apologise, however belatedly and reluctantly, for their misdeeds then everything is sweet. That's not the way the world works. Malleus Fatuorum 22:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Is that now? Strange, I wasn't aware that mistakes could never be forgiven. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:03, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, for someone who sure 'nuff closed off some discussions at ANI lickety split, you sure haven't gone over to clear it up with Rklawton, who is still singing his same (false) tune. Talk is cheap, Ed; if it was a mistake and you're sorry, why are you sitting by with arms crossed while I take the heat for speaking the truth?  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:12, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Call all the bullshit you want, but the mistake I made has nothing to do with whatever Rklawton is doing to you. (on ANI? I'm not sure where this is even going on... contrary to popular perception, I'm not wedded to ANI :p). I'm going to take a break. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:21, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Sandy, you clarified that I was not your friend last week and I clarified my respect for you, which I've tried to express at every opportunity.
 * You can see that I have been busy standing up for Lihaas, this time with some resolution, despite my having been blocked for stating the same truths before. I am sorry that I did not express support to you before. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 22:51, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh dear, I hadn't seen that statement from MastCell. What the Hell's going on here? Malleus Fatuorum 22:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Same ole, same ole: admin abuse. That is what fuels the frustration.  There's some poor newbie on Rklawton's talk page, trying to write a medical article about fear of flying, and not only has Rklawton given him consistently bad information-- go look at the horrid, snarky responses at Lawton's talk (unless he's already deleted them).  Those are the kinds of folks sporting tools in here !!!!  Bish turned in her tools so she could see what it felt like on the other side-- that, interestingly, is one of the reasons I never wanted them.  I wanted to know what it felt like, always, to be a regular bloke, I wanted to understand as well as I did when the FeloniousMonk cabal went after me-- just what it was to be in this place where abusive admins exercise their tools, or the threats of their tools, for no other reason than to make their little peepees get hard.  Nothing has changed even with the desysopping of FeloniousMonk (over evidence it took me a month to put together), and unless our increasingly dense (or whatever words MastCell used, see diff above) arbs get that it's all about abuse of the regular editor, nothing will change.  Here's what is freaky:  I'm a high profile, experienced editor with a clean block log and (I thought-- now I know not to be true) a lot of friends who could shield me from abusive admins.  So ... what happens to the little guys?  I shudder to think what it's like in here for them.  I don't want to be part of such a sick place-- and I knew that when I saw an FA writer taunting another FA writer with his number of FAs.  My work here fed such divas.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:08, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think you ought to blame yourself, but I did find the comment you're presumably referring to "only someone with more FAs than I have is allowed to unblock" incomprehensible. I'd be prepared to lay a pretty substantial bet that I've helped more FAs through FAC than I've ever nominated, and even turned down offers of being added as a co-nominator by overly generous editors such as Ealdgyth. The project seems to have lost sight of the purpose of its very existence; Sue was quite right about a "death spiral", but I don't think she has yet recognised what it is that's spiralling out of control. Malleus Fatuorum 23:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Sandy, fuck all these fools. Seriously. We're here to fix this shit because millions of people are googling how old Beethoven was when he died or what the hell the difference is between Democratic Republic of the Congo and Republic of the Congo. And they are ending up on Wikipedia, so we need to make sure they have the right information and that it's as professional in presentation as possible. I would personally stick up for you until the day I die, but in the end ANI and ArbCom and all these silly venues are no more meaningful to me than if I had a sunken pit of drunken hogs in my backyard that just rooted around and oinked and bit each other all day. They make a bunch of noise and sometimes smell bad but mostly they are just there for each others' entertainment. Let's get back to work, shall we? Sandy, Ed, Malleus... you've got shit to do. And it ain't suffering fools. -- Laser brain  (talk)  23:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Laser, but it's just not like that for me anymore. Like Malleus, all I did in here was help others get their rewards, improve content, some of those people turned into divas, some of them are selfish, and for that work-- and giving an honest defense with diffs against a false, undiffed charge-- I got threatened with a block in the most unsavory terms:"... if you persist, I will recommend you be stopped. As for Bishonen, there were significant health issues involved with her winter hibernation, but you would deliberately deceive people here into believing she left over a single world (sic). Shame on you! Rklawton (talk) 00:19, 8 February 2012 (UTC)" I'm not interested in working to improve content for a place that is rife with copyvio, nobody cares, and where even folks with a good record can be spoken to like that by an abusive admin.  Worse, I can't even defend myself now, or he could block me.  The analogy is I don't want to be part of the sunken pit of drunken hogs in my backyard. Fellow admins and arbs-- no one took him to task.  So what happens to the next guy? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:13, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * If you persist Rklawton I'll move Heaven and Earth to see you desysopped, as you ought to have been long ago. Malleus Fatuorum 00:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I first came to Wikipedia when someone sent me an email in response to one of my articles. I thought: "but I haven't written any articles on Wikipedia!" But when I looked I found that I had. Several in fact, lifted from my web pages. And everywhere I looked, all I could see was crappy articles. And every time I said that an article sucked, all anyone would do was suggest that it be fixed. So I decided it needed a little work. That was six years ago. And after all this time, we still have vandals, we still have copyvio, and we even still have (God forbid) MOS violations. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * And we still have trigger-happy admins like you as well. Malleus Fatuorum 02:18, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry Malleus. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * When I first came to Wikipedia, an admin cabal went after me. Viciously.  One of them ended up permanently desysopped, another temporarily, and all of them came into line by hook or by crook.  Lo and behold, another set of abusive admins just cropped up in their place. If Rklawton has his way, I'm not allowed to defend myself against false charges exactly as those from FeloniousMonk were demonstrably false so many years ago.  How dare I speak to the truth to an admin !!!! So what's your point, Hawkeye7 (other than the jab-- God forbid-- about MOS violations)?  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:30, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * What I find very strange, well, one of the things I find very strange, is that this has all blown up at a time when cultural institutions are beginning to cry out for help with their Wikipedia presence. It may only be visible to those in the UK, but the British Museum, for instance, is advertising for a Wikipedian in Residence, salary a little over £30,000 a year. Chasing off those who can actually write stuff was never a good idea, but it now looks like a suicide attempt. Malleus Fatuorum 02:31, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to live in London for "a little over £30,000 a year"? Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That'll be the British Library (The BM had an unpaid one in 2010) & it's a fixed 6mth contract, so £15K. Johnbod (talk) 03:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Perhaps depends on whether you live with your parents or not, or share with friends, but that's not the point. Malleus Fatuorum 03:01, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's a touch above the average London wage. oops, no, that's nearly £34K, apparently Johnbod (talk) 03:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Malleus, I think you'll find that the two are in fact quite closely related. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Without commenting on the drama side of things (my head hurts just from reading through it), I can say just from the bit I've done at CCI that it's a tough job that very few are actually willing to tackle. I get why Sandy's frustrated with it, since it shows there's a huge amount of plagiarism we have to find yet. I only did the diffs Rlevse himself posted on that TFA (the only major text addition was the current second paragraph of the lead), which means we have paraphrase issues with the editor who wrote most of that article (the original sentence in question at the talk was added here. As for my point, well, I have three. Copyright is something that needs to be tackled, but if I went berserk every time I caught something I would have been carted away from here long ago. Second, those are the types of editors we need to find and add to our ranks, those who are knowledgeable about the process and can tackle it, since few do now. Third, those running the main page should make sure nothing rlevse nominated gets put there again just to be on the safe side. As for me, I'm going to start shopping Burnham, now that I'm looking through the entire article there is quite a bit of trouble, a lot of it dating back to 2006. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:05, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Which was my point too. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Sandy,
 * Don't give up hope. I would remind you that I objected to the "toxic/poison", "courting the Wikipedia fraternity", and "crying into her table cloth" aberration, for which you later received a public and voluntary apology.
 * I had no idea what to say when TCO wrote the "pussy juice" remark, but I did end the discussion.
 * More generally, I did remove RodH's sexist remarks against an editor (who had asked me to ignore her).
 * I don't think it fair, either for yourself or for me, to imagine yourself so isolated and bereft of friends, who want to help you when you are attacked, particularly when you face sexist attacks.
 * Hawkeye apologized here to Malleus. We all have potential to reform ourselves. Don't despair!
 * Kiefer .Wolfowitz 06:35, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Ping, email. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 08:58, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Apology
I'm sorry I've not been there for you recently when you've been under fire. --Dweller (talk) 10:01, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Me too. Real life has been biting me on the butt... usually without warning. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:34, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

A bit late, but
 S ven M anguard  Wha?  14:35, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Chin up
Been a while since I sent a Saturday tune, but. Youve done incalculable good for the project, my own experience is how helpful you were in the Sex Pistols and Punk Rock FARs when I was starting up here, and how you scholed, guided and encouraged me, and Im not alone in thinkingn that. Dont let all this drama let you forget your worth, FAC would not half what it is if you had not been there fighting and bringing in standards, against often bitter resistance. Ms An Hero. Ceoil (talk) 13:13, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

A note of appreciation and respect...
...for your contributions till date. I wished to add an adjective to qualify your contributions, but didn't as I was afraid it might have read sarcastic - which is not my intention. My sincere regards and respect... Wifione  Message 16:15, 18 February 2012 (UTC)