User:Scepia/video games/Wii/name/controversy/2006/April

Wii
The name of the console is Wii http://revolution.nintendo.com/ 12.219.74.52 16:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Was about to update the page when i saw someone had already beaten me to it. props for the really quick action :D. DevAnubis 17:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Heh, I was actually about to move it back since Nintendo Wii looked like a vandalism move, but luckily I did a quick Google news search on it and there was a Reuter's story about it. Wii is definitely not what I was expecting as a name.  :p --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 17:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Other than the entry title, we need to revert then Revolution -> Wii changes in the entry. For instance, announcements made prior to the "Wii" newsflash should still refer to "Revolution", but announcements made afterwards refer to the "Wii". Basically, individual pieces of information should refer to whichever name showed up in the press release, interview, or new leak.


 * Can other editors comment on this style guide? If we don't revert it now it will be impossible to keep track of the basic timeline of news releases and rumors. People will go like, oh look, it seems the Wii had people guessing that its controllers are touchpads--when in fact the massive speculation is much earlier in history.


 * Asdfff 17:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Nintendo's site is currently crushed. We will have to wait until Nintendo updates all its links to update used ones (if any). -- ReyBrujo 17:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I suppose it's because no one can believe Nintendo would use such a stupid name, so they check the official site to make sure it's not a hoax. This article should mention the massively negative reaction to the name in pretty much every site and forum on the 'net! - Stormwatch 18:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think that's really needed. Just because those that don't like the name are the loudest or most outspoken doesn't mean they're the majority.  I personally don't mind the name, but I'm not going to go to every single Nintendo-related forum and post "OMG! I'm indifferent to teh name change!!!1!1". --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * You don't think Nintendo would do something stupid? These ARE the guys who decided cartridges would beat CD's, and the N64 got royally trounced by the PS1.  Nintendo has some great franchises and must be commended for a willingness to try new things in a very conservative industry.  But on the whole, most of their innovative ideas have failed.  It's only the few great successes that are remembered.  Anyone remember the Power Glove?  I'm not trying to diss them here.  I honestly admire Nintendo's willingness to take huge risks.  But sometimes those risks don't pay off, and Nintendo falls flat on its face with a "thud".  N64 was one of those pratfalls.  My guess is that "whee!" will be another.  Kasreyn 05:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I feel the need to point out that the Power Glove wasn't a Nintendo product. g026r 06:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I just need to clarify that N64 didn't "get royally trounced by the PS1". 51% for PS and 40% of share market for a console that launched a year after isn't my definition of crushed. In hardware terms, the only real innovative product that flopped was Virtual Boy. GameCube wasn't an innovative console, it was just a upgrade to the N64. And micro wasn't an innovative, it was just a upgrade to the SP. -- ReyBrujo 07:07, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Could I suggest in a few days time we maybe add a "Critisms" section to the article including details of fans problems with the names? I've just been on the Nintendo Europe forum and there seems to be alot of pissed off people out there. SeumasS 18:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Think about it this way, if someone likes the name, would they rush out and express that on a forum? This is just normal knee-jerk reaction to a change.  Everyone's trying to be the first to make a witty comment about it on forums.  Don't forget, if you want to add a criticisms section it has to also be verifiable.  At least Nintendo's not just sticking a number on the end unlike some other consoles. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Though I've not heard it myself, I've seen reports across forae and blogs that BBC Radio One immediately started ridiculing the name- taking the Wii, if you will- could anybody find any supporting articles for this, and is it worth mentioning as 'reaction'? Liam Plested 23:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * A quick Google search reveals no matches for "bbc radio nintendo wii" yet. -- ReyBrujo 05:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I have just found out that the Japanese kanji "位" (ichii) translates to "first place" and the informal pronunciation sounds quite like "wii", in addition of the word "いい" (ii) that means good and is pronounced similar to "wii". Maybe that could be another pun (other than whee and we). Please try to confirm this yourselfs. greekalien 09:33, 28 April 2006 (EEST)


 * It's also a homophone of Oui, which is French for yes.  smurray  inch e  ster ( User ), ( Talk ) 08:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I can confirm "いい" is good, but I don't know about 位. -- ReyBrujo 12:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

2 notable online polls.. joystiq.com and gamefaqs.com both have people liking the name as a small miniority, even on the Nintendo official forums people are confused and annoyed. Perhaps the initial hatred of the name could make an appearance in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.67.108.204 (talk • contribs).
 * Im sorry, when random fanboys on forum talk about something it should be ignored and not be in a Wikipedia article but the problem is its not the people on the forums that hate it. The people work at GameSpot and IGN and other big gaming websites hate it. There are alot of big news articles that talk about it and how they hate the name, its not just forum talk anymore, so that means the back lash should mentioned in the Wikipedia Article. Look at it this way the article about Snakes On A Plane talk about people making fun its name and thats only forum talk. The Wii name is every were and people hate it. Some people like it but most people hate it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.124.224.116 (talk • contribs).
 * If you're going to add anything to the article, just make sure it's verifiable. Also, please remember to sign your posts. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 15:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Wii...no...
someone should add in this article about the bad reception it got from gamers everywhere! CNN had an article that said something about one game critic saying it was the "worst console name ever", and a online petition was made to change it back to revolution since the name wii is horrible, and in less than 30 minutes what do you get? More than 200 people in it!

Wikipedia is a place for unbiased info. If you want to include a "Criticizm about the name" section, feel free to do so, but you sholud cite relevant sources. If you just want to rant, go to a gaming forum near you. 67.177.10.78 18:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * &gt;x&lt;ino 18:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * so this is real? - Malomeat 18:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

There is no need for Wikipedia to include any discussion of the name's quality at any point. Wikipedia isn't a place for forum trolls (read: anyone at Gamespot) or biased fanboys. I can't believe how shallow the gaming populous is. It's a NAME, and it's a damn good one. Any name that generates this much discussion is going to create just as much hype - period. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.49.220.19 (talk • contribs).


 * I agree with 216.49.220.19. Keep the discussion away. Collect information for a criticism section, but please don't try to recruit nor bring people here to probe your point, Xino. People didn't like the Nintendo DS as it looked ugly. People didn't like DS games as they were going to be gimmicks. People didn't like Revolution as it would be underpowered. People didn't like the controller as it is different. Let me tell you the secret of life: People is never happy. -- ReyBrujo 19:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this isn't meant for the main article. It's too POV. As dumb as I think the name is, we don't need to make the page say "LAWL TIHS NAEM IS TEH SUXX0RZ SO GO BYE TEH XBAWX 360!!!11!!!!1". Perhaps the petition could be mentioned in the external links, but we shouldn't have give this name backlash more than one sentence, if we mention it at all. And we would need to keep it completely NPOV. --71.225.64.232 20:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The petition cannot be mentioned unless it is notable enough. -- ReyBrujo 20:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Well I do agree that wikipedia isn't a place for us to say if the name is good or crap, but still, the reception it got should be mentioned, and it was mostly negative... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.150.78.83 (talk • contribs).


 * Perhaps we should have "reaction to the name" section where we can begin with the knee-jerk Internet forum reaction and then move onto industry, media (both game and mainstream), and person-on-the-street reactions as they trickle in? Internet gaming forums seem like far too much of a microcosm to be relevant to the Wikipedia article, but the name is so unorthodox it might be worthwhile to survey all reactions for a short paragraph, and begin with the forum reactions because that's all we'll get until tomorrow's news cycle.

I think we should wait a bit before we add a reception section; it's much too early, I think. 71.96.234.140 20:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, let's be clear. "Consumers" aren't fueling the backlash against the Wii name. The backlash is in Internet gaming forums, an important source for gauging consumer opinion but skewed in its own way towards extreme enthusiasts. "Consumers" largely don't know about it yet, since the name has been confirmed for less than twelve hours.

A good model for recording the reaction to the name would be: first, Internet forum reactions, then videgame media reactions, then mainstream media reactions, then the reaction from the masses. Wikipedia isn't here to document the ebb and flow of Internet gaming forums, but the discussion taking place on Internet boards is important insofar as in that it is the first reaction that the masses have to breaking news, and an important socialogical indicator as it represents what the enthusiastic and opinionated hard-core gamers think and are willing to share. But, it shouldn't be construed to be any more relevant than that.

And please, stop adding sentences about urine. That's inappropriate for this space, not in the sense that Wikipedia shouldn't discuss bodily functions, but it isn't something this is relevant or needs to be pointed out (in fact, it's vulgar for its own sake). I think it would be more appropriate to state that the criticism is that Nintendo is giving their console a "childish" or "ridiculous" name, rather than one that is homophonous with common slang for urine. You don't need to defile a page about a videogame console by linking it to a page about a bodily function. 209.152.48.200 21:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

So how long should we wait before including talk of the name controversy (if it amounts to more than just a loud but minor outburst?) I think there are enough people (me included) who hate the name but if the system has a good outing at E3 then people will probably adjust to the name better. On the other hand, if the name controversy gets hot enough it could change things. Lord knows I hope it does but I wouldn't want POV to slaughter Wikipedia over something superficial. --Ryuukuro 04:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It is already possible to do a very early one. I rewrote the section to something like this (before it was again modified and ultimately deleted):

There is DEFINITELY a reason for discussing the controversy of the name, especially that "wii" is pronounced exactly like "wee", which in much of the English-speaking world means "urine". If we ignore this one point, it will be much more difficult for readers to understand why there's been a particularly negative reaction to the console in many English-speaking countries so far ahead of its launch. It's not POV to mention this, because "wii" sounding like a commonly used word for "urine" is a fact and is significant in understanding the console's current (and probably future) marketing difficulties in certain regions. Coverage of the console since its name was announced has been universally negative in the UK for example, and if it fails to sell well in Britain its name could very well be a reason for that happening (for anyone who doesn't use the word "wee", imagine if they'd called it the "Pyss" and said it was pronounced "piss"). It's practically impossible to ask for a Wii in a shop in the UK without it sounding rude, which is bound to have some sort of effect on sales, which makes the fact relevant to this article.

Criticism
The name change was initially met with considerable backlash from consumers – as noted in articles on CNN, ABC, and MTV.
 * However, we should first begin a collection of journalism feedback. Those three links are neutral, they just checked forums and boards around and described what was happening. So far, editors of the Gamespy, 1Up, IGN, Gamespot and 4 color rebellion had written their opinions. From them all, I believe the best source is the one from Gamespot, as they have interviewed real game analysts (yes, the ones that usually predict PS3 production costs at USD 900, PSP becoming the best selling handheld console, etc, etc). -- ReyBrujo 04:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Press feedback
The criticism section stated that both the gamers and press were critics, giving three links for CNN, ABC, and MTV as references. However, none had expressed an opinion, they just reproduced the general feeling about this. I have removed the links but posted them here for anyone to quickly check. If you think I was wrong, please discuss :) -- ReyBrujo 21:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Added two analysts opinion on the name
I just added two analysts opinion on the name of Wii which comes from the GameSpot article (Reference #7 in the Reference list) which supports the view of many people that the name is "stupid," one analyst has even stated that the renaming of Revolution to Wii is a "bad stupid move" for Nintendo and argued that Nintendo should've kept Revolution because it's a "evocative, well-accepted name that people have been using for well over a year." KSweeley 08:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Who cares what some noname web critics have to say? Critics have canned all sorts of innovations such as the graphics in Windwaker, the audience for Nintendogs and the extra screen on the DS. I'm more interested in the gameplay than whether it is called wii or bum or whatever. A rose by any other name... Garglebutt / (talk) 14:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Name section
This section seems to have gotten very long, and many of the 'facts' are untrue (the syllable "We" is perfectly pronouncable in Japanese as ウェ (We) and ウィ (Wi) are syllables in Katakana, and the Japanese Wikipedia uses ウィー (Wii) as an acceptable transliteration), and it reads like a rant ("Many claim that this “stupid” name will be detrimental to Nintendo’s sales"). Most of this needs to go.  smurray  inch e  ster ( User ), ( Talk ) 08:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Name
Is it absolutely necessary to have a link to intercourse in the first section of an article about a game console? In fact the whole passage about fad names makes little sense in the article. Needs rewriting if not deletion. --Richmeister 11:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Name section...
''Some people, including some who dislike the name, point out that fads often have strange, even ridiculous sounding names. The main example is the iPod, which endured harsh criticism when it was first released, but nowadays few people give its name a second thought. Two examples which are less often pointed to, but are worth mentioning, are those of Jazz and Rock N’ Roll. Both of these, despite the fact they were originally slang terms referring to the act of intercourse, are now central aspects to American culture.''

That doesnt really need to be there... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.165.41.189 (talk • contribs).

Industry Critisism of name change
IGN.com flatly told Nintendo of the dissapproval of the name change in an interview here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ben414 (talk • contribs).
 * So what? IGN is not the gaming industry.  It's the gaming journalism industry.  There's a difference.  That's like saying Rolling Stone is part of the music industry or Access Hollywood is part of the film industry.  They simply cover the industries, they are not part of them.  Intricately linked?  Yes.  An actual part of?  No.--24.55.245.140 04:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Citation is Misleading
Under the "Name" heading, source [2] is cited as saying that the reaction from gamers is generally negative and that Nintendo is aggressively pursuing a non-gamer or casual-gamer market. However, upon reading the article, it seems that the author is trying to defend the new name Wii. If we want to point out criticism by citing others, shouldn't it be from a source that echos this sentiment?

The article wasn't what was being pointed to, it was the responses to the article that were mainly negative.J.L.Main

"Vulgar" Connotations of Wii
"And please, stop adding sentences about urine... it isn't something this is relevant or needs to be pointed out (in fact, it's vulgar for its own sake). I think it would be more appropriate to state that the criticism is that Nintendo is giving their console a 'childish' or 'ridiculous' name, rather than one that is homophonous with common slang for urine. You don't need to defile a page about a videogame console by linking it to a page about a bodily function. "

I beg to differ. If Nintendo actually launches a multi-million dollar product with a name associated with urine in the english language, that fact certainly merits inclusion this encyclopedia -- if only because the decision deviates so dramatically from prevailing marketing wisdom. A year from now, when we know whether the Wii was a success or a flop, the different connotations of its unusual name, and the role that played in marketing the system, will be very relevant. Just the mention or urine in no way "defiles" the page, and relevant information shouldn't be tossed out just because some users find it distasteful.--Lee Bailey 01:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed, it is definitely a very interesting marketing decision. However, the observation should be attributed to a notable source.--Eloquence* 01:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Certainly, Eloquence. Of course, I don't have one at this exact moment, I just felt inclined to argue against the (silly) notion that properly cited NPOV additions need to be held to a higher standard of relevance simply because they refer to bodilly functions. Although it's only a matter of time before respectable gaming publications start to remark on this, IMHO. Lee Bailey 02:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. However, there is no need to wikify urine, penis or whatever it means in slang, as the user is not likely to click on those terms (wikify only according to context). -- ReyBrujo 06:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

That would be "Piss" you are refering to, there is nothing about "Wii" in the english language. Besides, Nintendo has stated their intention and reason for the name. No need to inform the public that this might be confused with "piss". Irrelevant and childish. Havok (T/C) 13:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * See wee for connotations. It's absolutely legitimate to include these, especially if all the positive connotations are listed.--Eloquence* 14:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Apparently, wii means fire in the Gamilaraay language.  smurray  inch e  ster (User), (Talk) 15:30, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It's certainly started one here on the intraweb. Keep suggesting that Nintendo picked a "childish" or "ridiculous" name, then follow up by drawing childish and ridiculous connections, and you've pretty much made yourself look as childish and ridiculous as possible. There is no need to push it any further. (Momus 16:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC))


 * Like I have stated, there is no need for this "childish" connection. It adds nothing to the article, and only ends with flamewars from both sides of the pond. Havok (T/C) 08:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I think we'll see how the name is addressed by the media and public in the next month or two, but from the look of PC Format's Blog I think the name will be noticed and laughed at notably in Britain! Whistler 19:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * UK is a hostile place for Nintendo. Their consoles had never really gone extremely well. So, it is possible that even with a cool name, Nintendo would be hard pressed selling there, as in US. -- ReyBrujo 20:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

It should be noted
That many groups have actually started petitions for the name to be changed back to 'Revolution' in response to Nintendo's annoucement. --69.145.122.209 05:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I think you'll find that that's not true. Such petitions would have to be notable first. --Maxamegalon2000 05:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It is true. The petitions are not exactly big, but there are many, many of them. --69.145.122.209 05:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It is quite possible. However, as Maxamegalon2000 stated (and as I did previously somewhere else around here), the petitions must be notable (usually with around 10,000 signatures). It is quite possible that we will begin to see several of these petitions being introduced in the external links to increase their numbers, so be wary around. -- ReyBrujo 06:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * There's petitions on the web for virtually everything to do with the Wii; petitions to make it high-def, synchronous global releases, increased specs etc. Nothing makes the name petitions any more notable.  smurray  inch e <font style="color:#CC1111"> ster <font style="color:#CC1111">(User), (Talk) 15:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I suppose. I just noticed that these petitions in particular had been mentioned on IGN, which I typically trust as legit.--69.145.122.209 19:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Remember to always provide a link to where the information is kept, so that we can verify it. -- ReyBrujo 20:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Bah. I wasn't aware they aren't taken as credible unless there's 10,000+ siginatures. I s'pose I'll have to remember that. --69.145.122.209 20:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Anybody, anywhere, can start a petition for anything. In five minutes I could write a petition stating that I don't think cheese should be considered a dairy product by the government.  I could put it on a message board somewhere.  Would you put that in Wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.15.49.150 (talk • contribs).

Wee
If you are going to mention what 'Wii' sounds like, and consequently means, in other languages, then mention 'wee', an colloquial word in English used in the UK as a way to refer to 'urine'. That is where a lot of criticism is coming from in British circles.

POV tag
I've removed the POV tag since there is no feedback here as to how the article lacks POV.

I wish people would stop bitching about the name. This is an encyclopedia; a brief comment on how the name change caused some controversy in the media when it was first announced is about all the air play it deserves. Has anyone seriously changed their mind about the merits of the console due to its name? Personally I was a little taken aback by the name for about 30 seconds and then I was intrigued about Nintendo's explanation of what the term represented and what that means for the intended audience for the console. Garglebutt / (talk) 15:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * This article doesn't seem to violate POV, though I think its far from being a good article Jedi6  -(need help?)  16:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Name
I think there needs to be more to the name section. The views of the populous are central to the subject. How about two sub-topics under the name section. "Arguments for the name Wii" and "Arguments against the name Wii" What do you think?J.L.Main

Sounds good to me.:MindWraith

I'm a unregistered user and can't edit so i'll put a request here. All i simply want is for something to be mentioned on how contraversial the name change was. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.214.17.233 (talk • contribs).
 * The article is not protected anymore, only from moving. A controversy section is planned, in fact I have already posted one which was deleted (see above in this same page). -- ReyBrujo 21:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Remember Neutral Point of View, not everyone hated the name. Jedi6  -(need help?)  21:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Also remember to avoid statements that age quickly. Their may be a controversy today but we don't know what the future holds. Jedi6  -(need help?)  21:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, though there may be critics today, in the coming weeks the critics may fade. I believe a simple sentence of something like "There was initial controversy over the official name," should suffice, especially if you think into the near future.Zebov 00:13, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Removed the following from the name section:
 * Many fans believe that Nintendo is planning to change the name of the console again at E3 but this rumor was debunked by Nintendo.

Rumors should be put in the rumors section. Zebov 00:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you sure it is a rumour? The question was answered by Nintendo of America's Public Relations Manager Matt Atwood. I would believe that is enough to use that as confirmation and not just rumour. -- ReyBrujo 01:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I meant, if people comes to read if the name is final or not, that paragraph, confirmed by Mr. Atwood, should be enough evidence to probe it is the final name of the console. The rumour section isn't really suitable for this paragraph. -- ReyBrujo 01:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I added it back since it is a debunking of a rumor, not a rumor itself. If it wasn't there people would keep adding rumors about the name being changed. Jedi6  -(need help?)  03:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

why do people keep deleting the euphemisms of "wee?" It makes zero sense to discuss various aspects of the name, yet avoid the controversy caused by the name. Even wee includes this euphemism for urine -- how can we possibly avoid it while remaining neutral? -- dojotony 03:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Just add it back but make sure to keep it short. We don't need a huge list or article about euphemism of Wii. :-) Jedi6  -(need help?)  03:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the current form of the article (circa time of post) is perfect. A few variations are named in different languages, and the wiki link to 'wee' covers most of the English-specific variations. If people want to know why there's so much contraversy, one click on that link will give them a full debriefing. gspawn 14:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with this -- I just cleaned up the article because somebody wrote that wee meant defecating, feces and etc. Not only is this patently not true (and bizarre), it has no place here.  Everybody just needs to agree that yes, Wii sounds like the childish term wee--the article can admit that, include a link to wee and move on to talk about other aspects of the name.  It's discouraging that everybody is getting caught up over this wee little problem!    dojotony 17:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The vandalism should have been reverted, the reference to urine should not. If we explicitly mention all meanings, except for the one which is causing most of the controversy, we are violating the neutral point of view policy and "Wikipedia is not censored". The "wee" connotation has clearly been commented on in multiple notable sources now, including Forbes, which had an "Eat, Sleep and Wii" joke (see cited source), so it is perfectly legitimate to point this out. Whether or not these jokes are "childish" is beside the point. However, in the interest of NPOV, it would be fair to include a response from Nintendo. I seem to recall a remark from someone who said that "you wouldn't think of wee every time you use the pronoun", however, I'm not sure if that was a Nintendo rep. (As a comment, one should note that "we" is neither a noun nor a verb, so it does not lend itself to be used in the same contexts where "Wii" can be, which can be treated as both a noun and a verb.)--Eloquence* 15:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree; while I'm not massively fond of having a link to urine in the article, it is a valid statement, and people from other countries or who may not have Commonwealth English as a first language may not get what we are trying to imply without a concrete statement. Plus, Eloquence's phrasing is very 'eloquent'. <font style="color:#00BB55"> smurray <font style="color:#00AA77"> inch <font style="color:green">e <font style="color:#00AA77"> ster <font style="color:#00AA77">(User), (Talk) 15:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Concurred--the only thing I'd change is that wee's connotation is not limited to British English; it's the same in American English. dojotony 18:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've updated it accordingly. <font style="color:#00BB55"> smurray <font style="color:#00AA77"> inch <font style="color:green">e <font style="color:#00AA77"> ster <font style="color:#00AA77">(User), (Talk) 16:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

No one I know of thought that Revolution was the official name of the console. I have removed that statement. Anyone disagree? Zebov 18:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)