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One major problem with Susan's page that I noticed right away is her info box. There's hardly any quick facts about her and there is no picture of her. That should be something that we fix right away. One of her major works is cited here: Carey, Susan E. 2004. Bootstrapping & the origin of concepts. Daedalus 133(1): 59-68.

This citation is to a webpage for Harvard that lists her vitae and other very important facts about her: Susan Carey. (n.d.). Retrieved September 26, 2016, from https://software.rc.fas.harvard.edu/lds/research/carey/susan-carey/. Two questions I have-- the first: since we are writing a page about a person, are we able to use reliable webpages other than just journal articles? Most articles are about research topics, not people. My second question: how in depth should we go when talking about her important research? Savannah.m.voeltz (talk) 20:26, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You can cite a web page and put in a link, but real articles are better. If a person is not alive, look for obituaries. Or look for articles about awards or recognition she's r eceived. See Ashley's post below. J.R. Council (talk) 15:21, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

One thing I find wrong with the article on Susan Carey is that the page does not have anything that talk about her works or past experiments. We could look at her contributions to psychology as well as how it influenced the psychological world. Here is an article I found about Susan Carey another reference is which is a book about child development she wrote. My two questions are: If we have books that Susan Carey has published, do we have to read the whole book to use it? What is the primary thing you want us to talk about on her wiki? As in do we write in depth about each and every book and publication she has written? Or do we just put each publication she did and do a summary, or just write the publication? Ashley.miller.2 (talk) 22:45, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No, you don't need to read the whole book. J.R. Council (talk) 15:21, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * See the brochure on Editing Wikipedia psychology articles about writing about a psychologist. You can briefly describe major publications and list the rest. J.R. Council (talk) 15:21, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

The problem I have with this page is it does not actually show the many accomplishments Susan Carey made. I feel like it  does not explain anything and does not help people learn about her. How many sections do we need in the article or is there not a minimum or maximum? Do we have to add certain background information about her or can we base it off what we feel is necessary? Shelby.kappes (talk) 18:43, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * There is no minimum or maximum. Just try to give a complete and balanced presentation of the relevant information. J.R. Council (talk) 15:21, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

TO-DO LIST
-Savannah: find pictures? gather information to improve the introduction paragraph -Shelby: history and bio Shelby.kappes (talk) 19:58, 1 November 2016 (UTC) -use the book from Dr. Council to find more about her early life -Ashley: write about publications -find signature -find more publications and what they accomplished Ashley.miller.2 (talk) 00:45, 14 October 2016 (UTC) Savannah.m.voeltz (talk) 20:00, 1 November 2016 (UTC) Shelby.kappes (talk) 17:16, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

OUTLINE
-Introduction -Biography -born - 1942Savannah.m.voeltz (talk) 20:01, 1 November 2016 (UTC) -early life Shelby.kappes (talk) 20:00, 1 November 2016 (UTC) - Wall street journal - 'fast mapping"      - Conceptual Change in Childhood       - The Origin of Concepts     -early schooling Shelby.kappes (talk) 20:00, 1 November 2016 (UTC)       - Radcliffe College           -language and language development    -career and love life    -kids     -Works     -education Shelby.kappes (talk) 20:00, 1 November 2016 (UTC)        -Radcliffe College         -Harvard University            -Elizabeth Spelke    -honors and fellowshipsSavannah.m.voeltz (talk) 20:01, 1 November 2016 (UTC)         -William James Fellow Award         -Rumelhart Prize         -Guggenheim Fellowship for Social Sciences         -Jean Nicod Prize         -Cognitive Development Society Book Award 2011         -Eleanor Maccoby Award for the Best Book in Developmental Psychology (APA) 2010 -Distinguished Scientific Contribution Award, American Psychological Association, 2009 -Ottawa Township High School Hall of Fame, 2009 -David E. Rumelhart Prize, 2008 -The British Academy, Corresponding Fellow, 2007 -American Philosophical Society, 2007 -National Academy of Sciences, 2002 -William James Fellow, American Psychology Society, 2002 -American Academy of Arts and Sciences, 2001 -Society for Experimental Psychology, 1999 -National Academy of Education, 1999 -Guggenheim Fellowship, 1999-2000 -George A. Miller Lecturer,1998. -Society of Cognitive Neuroscience -Nicod Prize, Paris, 1998 -Cattell Fellowship, 1995-1996 -Fellow: Institute for Advanced Studies in the Behavioral Sciences, 1984-1985 -Sloane Fellow, University of California, Berkeley, 1980-1981 -Radcliffe Institute Fellowship, 1976-1978 -professional experience -MIT -NYU -Harvard -papers and journals Shelby.kappes (talk) 20:00, 1 November 2016 (UTC) - Editorial Boards -Psychological Review -Psychological Science -Journal of Language Acquisition -Developmental Psychology -books and monographs -book chapters

Lead Section Final
Susan Carey is an American psychologist (born 1942). She is most renowned for her work in developmental psychology. Her research focuses on analyzing philosophical concepts, and conceptual changes in science over time. She has conducted experiments on infants, toddlers, adults, and non-human primates.
 * Much of the material in the section I've italicized does not belong in the lead. The lead should be much more concise that what you've got here. Move most of this to relevant sections on education, career, and awards.J.R. Council (talk) 19:29, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Biography
Susan Carey was born in 1942. Her parents were William and Mary. Later, her father remarried to a woman named Joan who currently lives in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Her studies focus on the development of children and adults and the cultural construction of concepts over time.

Carey first received her BA from Radcliff College in 1964, then later went on to receive her PhD in Experimental psychology from Harvard University in 1971. She was a professor at MIT from 1973-1996 in the Psychology Department of Brain and Cognitive development. Then she moved to NYU to teach from 1996-2001. In 2001 Carey returned to her alma mater, Harvard University. Also, Harvard, Carey met her husband Ned Block who was also a huge influence on Carey's life.

On returning to Harvard, Carey began working along side Elizabeth Spelke, where they started a Developmental Studies lab. Carey also studied alongside George Miller, Jerome Butler, and Roger Brown. Carey is a member of the American Philosophical Society, National Academy of Sciences, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the National Academy of Educational Sciences of Ukraine, and the British Academy. Her research analyzes philosophical concepts, and conceptual changes in science over time. She conducted experiments on infants, toddlers, adults, and non-human primates. Carey coined the term, "Quinian bootstrapping" which is a bootstrapping process that historians and philosophers looked at on conceptual change. Ashley.miller.2 (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Career
When Susan Carey began her career she served on a few Editorial Boards. Some of the boards she was on were for the Psychological Review, Psychological Science, Journal of Acquisition, and Development Psychology. Susan Carey and Elsa Bartlett were at Harvard University when they created the term "Fast mapping" in 1978. This term refers to the hypothesized mental process where a new concept is learned only based on a single exposure. Susan Carey wrote a book during her career as a psychologist which was called Conceptual Change in Childhood. This book was about the cognitive differences between children and adults. It is a case study about children's acquisition of biological knowledge and analyzes the ways the knowledge is restructured during the development. Susan Carey wrote another book called "the Origin of Concepts" which shows the basis of development of cognitive science.

In her professional experience she started out as an assistant professor at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) between 1972 and 1977. She then went to an associate professor at MIT in 1977 to 1984. Instead of being in the psychology department in 1984 she became a professor in the MIT's department of brain and cognitive sciences until 1996. She was a professor at NYU (New York University) for the department of psychology from 1996 to 2001, after her career at NYU she had moved to Harvard and now she is still a professor there.

Shelby.kappes (talk) 18:43, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Awards
Susan Carey has received many fellowships and honors. These fellowships and honors include: Radcliff Institute Fellowship (1976-1978), Sloane Fellow (1980-1981), Fellow: Institute for Advanced Studies in the Behavioral Sciences (1984-1985), Cattell Fellowship (1995-1996), Nicod Prize (1998), Society of Cognitive Neuroscience, George A Miller Lecturer (1998), Guggenheim Fellowship (1999-2000), National Academy of Education (1999), Society for Experimental Psychology (1999), American Academy of Arts and Sciences (2001), William James Fellow, American Psychology Society (2002), The British Academy, Corresponding Fellow (2007), David E. Rumelhart Prize (2008), Ottawa Township High School Hall of Fame (2009), Distinguished Scientific Contribution Award, American Psychological Association (2009), Eleanor Maccoby Award for the Best Book in Development Psychology (APA, 2010), and Cognitive Development Society Book Award (2001) Ashley.miller.2 (talk) 01:36, 22 November 2016 (UTC) Ashley.miller.2 (talk) 01:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Works
Papers written as sole author Savannah.m.voeltz (talk) 03:36, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * 2015 The science of cognitive science
 * 2014 On Learning New Primitives in the Language of Thought: Reply to Rey
 * 2011 Concept Innateness, Concept Continuity, and Bootstrapping: A Response to Commentaries on The Origin of Concepts
 * 2011 The Origin of Concepts
 * 2010 Beyond Fast Mapping
 * 2009 Where our number concepts come from
 * 2009 Math schemata and the origins of number representations
 * 2004 Bootstrapping and the origins of concepts
 * 2002 Evidence for numerical abilities in young infants: A fatal flaw?
 * 2001 Evolutionary and Ontogenetic Foundations of Arithmetic
 * 2000 Science education as conceptual change
 * 2000 The origin of concepts
 * 1998 Knowledge of number: Its evolution and ontogenesis
 * 1997 Do constraints on word meaning reflect prelinguistic cognitive architecture?
 * 1994 Does learning a language require conceptual change?
 * 1992 Becoming a face expert
 * 1988 Conceptual differences between children and adults
 * 1986 Cognitive science and science education

Dr. Council's comments on main article
Overall, this seems very good and complete, but much too long relative to her notability. Please work to cut this down, focusing on her most notable achievements. I will leave the specific cuts up to you, but this could easily be shortened by 1/4 to 1/2, and this would make it a better article. I am sending the link to Ian for his input. ~

Dr. Council's comments on Assignment 5

 * First a two general comments: a.) When you leave a blank space in the first column, it grays out the section. You shouldn't do this in the actual article. b.) I can't figure out who contributed to this assignment. I see Ashley's signature, but no others except in the references. Be sure to sign your work. Until I hear otherwise, I can only give Ashley credit. J.R. Council (talk) 21:25, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * That said, outline looks good. To-do list should be more detailed. References are from credible sources. J.R. Council (talk) 21:25, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

We all worked together to put the outline together as a whole, not just individual parts of it, so we each just signed our names at the bottom of the section to show that we had contributed to putting effort into the to-do list and outline. Savannah.m.voeltz (talk) 19:57, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Lead Section- Shelby Kappes
Susan Carey was born in 1942 by her parents William and Mary along with a step-mom Joan. Later on she married Ned Block who also attended Harvard University and she had claimed he was her mentor on matters philosophical. Before she would attend Harvard University she was a student at Radcliffe College and received her B.A. in 1964. While she was a student at Radcliffe College she had studied language and language development. While she was at Harvard University she had befriended Elizabeth Spelke which helped her work on one of her theories. She had graduated with a Ph.D at Harvard University in 1971. Her early life had started off strong with her idea of "fast-mapping", writings in the Wall street Journal, and a couple of books. After she started working at Harvard University as a Professor of Psychology (2001) she started receiving honors and fellowships, including the Rumelhart Prize. She is an expert in language acquisition and children's development of biological concepts. She had more professional experience than just Radcliffe College and Harvard University and had been on a few editorial boards for papers and journals. She has added book chapters in other professional's works and has created her own monographs. Shelby.kappes (talk) 15:55, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Ashley.miller.2 (talk) 22:13, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I really like all of your information, Shelby. Maybe look for more content? I think you should look for more about where she was born and how her married life was or her parents influence (if there is anything you can find on it, it is so hard). Maybe try and look for where she was born (which is also really hard, I tried). Maybe more on awards, but I feel like that should be more of a separate section in itself obviously.
 * Also, you should possibly look for more of her journals and publications? but like I said, that should probably be a section in itself.

Savannah.m.voeltz (talk) 00:52, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think all of the information you provided here is strong and relevant for a lead section. The only critique I have is that the way it is worded in some areas can be a little out of order and harder to understand.

'''I must disagree with the comments above. ''' This lead starts off with a focus on material that is not notable. Personal background should go after this in the main article. Start off with a sentence that shows why she is worth writing and reading about. Then make some general statements about career and education. See the brochure, "Editing Wikipedia articles on psychology." J.R. Council (talk) 21:37, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Lead Section - Ashley Miller
-Susan Carey  is a American psychologist that mainly focuses on Developmental psychology. She was born in 1942 and currently lives in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Her birth parents are William and Mary Carey. Her studies focus on the development of children and adults and the cultural construction of concepts over time. Carey first received her BA from Radcliff College in 1964, then later went on to receive her PhD in Experimental Psychology from Harvard University in 1971. While at Harvard, Carey met her husband Ned Block who was also a huge influence on Carey's life. Also at Harvard, Carey studied with George Miller, Jerome Butler, and Roger Brown. She was a professor at MIT from 1973-1996 in the Psychology Department of Brain and Cognitive Development. Then she moved to NYU to teach from 1996-2001. In 2001 Carey returned to her alma mater, Harvard University. On returning to Harvard, Carey began working along side Elizabeth Spelke, where they started a Developmental Studies lab. Carey is a member of the American Philosophical Society, the National Academy of Sciences, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the National Academy of Education, and the British Academy. She has earned numerous awards and recognitions, her first award was the Jean Nicod Prize (1998) and one of her most impressive accomplishments was being the first woman to receive the Rumelhart Prize (2009). Her research analyzes philosophical concepts, and conceptual changes in science over time. She conducted experiments on infants, toddlers, adults, and non-human primates. Carey coined the term, "Quinian bootstrapping" which is a bootstrapping process that historians and philosophers looked at on conceptual change. Now, Carey continues to study development and many other psychological ideas. Ashley.miller.2 (talk) 21:59, 25 October 2016 (UTC) I think this is a really good section, but I feel like we do not have to go that much into detail for everything because our paper will go more into detail. I think this is a strong lead section

Shelby.kappes (talk) 17:38, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Savannah.m.voeltz (talk) 00:52, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with Shelby that I don't think we need to go into too much detail for a lead section. Everything you have laid out looks great to me. We could save more detail for further on in the page.


 * Again, the personal background material is not appropriate for starting the lead section. Also, no need to go into the list of people she has worked with. Focus on notable content. Details go after in main text of article. See the Editing for Psychology handout. J.R. Council (talk) 21:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Lead Section-Savannah Voeltz
Susan Carey &lt;nowiki&gt; is an American psychologist. She was born in 1942 (74 years old) to William and Mary Carey. Susan currently lives in Cambridge, MA. Carey began studying psychology in her undergraduate career at Radcliffe College, where she earned her B.A. After this, she earned her Ph.D. in experimental psychology from Harvard University in 1971. Carey is most renowned for her work in developmental psychology and has earned many awards and recognitions for her work in this field. Carey famously coined the term "Quinian bootstrapping". Carey currently continues her work in experimental psychology at Harvard University. Savannah.m.voeltz (talk) 01:04, 27 October 2016 (UTC) I think if we combine all of ours and delete the fine detail it would be a good lead section. I think we should added more on like what she did but not describe what it is. But it is so hard. Because she has barely any in depth information on her. But good section! Shelby.kappes (talk) 03:21, 27 October 2016 (UTC) I agree with Shelby, if we combine all of our information, less detail, we would have a good lead section. Ashley.miller.2 (talk) 03:59, 26 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Once again, the lead really needs to focus on what is notable about a person. The second through fifth sentences could refer to almost anybody. They have important biographical information, but it belongs in a background section in the main article. The sentence starting, "Carey is most renowned..." begins to address why she is important. The first and sixth sentences could start a good lead. "Quinian bootstrapping" is not a commonly understood term, so that doesn't really belong in the lead either.
 * Note: don't use the &lt;nowiki&gt; code. J.R. Council (talk) 17:02, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Lead Section Final
Susan Carey is an American psychologist (born 1942). She is most renowned for her work in developmental psychology. Her research focuses on analyzing philosophical concepts, and conceptual changes in science over time. She has conducted experiments on infants, toddlers, adults, and non-human primates. Carey received her BA from Radcliff College, studied language and language development, in 1964, and later went on to receive her PhD in Experimental Psychology from Harvard University in 1971. She was a professor at MIT from 1973-1996 in the Psychology Department of Brain and Cognitive Development. In 2001 Carey returned to her alma mater, Harvard University. Carey is a member of the American Philosophical Society, the National Academy of Sciences, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the National Academy of Education, and the British Academy. Carey has earned many awards and recognitions for her work in the field of developmental psychology. Her first award was the Jean Nicod Prize (1998) and one of her more notable accomplishments was being the first woman to be awarded the Rumelhart Prize (2009). She is on the editorial boards of many renown psychology journals, including Journal of Language Acquisition and Psychological Science.

Ashley.miller.2 (talk) 18:00, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Shelby.kappes (talk) 18:38, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Savannah.m.voeltz (talk) 20:03, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Dr. Council's comments on combined lead: This just needs a few minor edits: J.R. Council (talk) 23:04, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) Bold the first mention of her name and put her date of birth in parentheses after this.
 * 2) Include reference citations to back up the information you present.
 * 3) Start with focus on notability. Move the section I've put in italics up top, where I've inserted ***.
 * 4) The last sentence is vague and adds nothing. You should delete it.

Biography
Susan Carey was born in 1942 by her parents William and Mary along with a step-mom Joan and currently lives in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Her birth parents are William and Mary Carey. Her studies focus on the development of children and adults and the cultural construction of concepts over time. Carey first received her BA from Radcliff College in 1964, then later went on to receive her PhD in Experimental Psychology from Harvard University in 1971. She was a professor at MIT from 1973-1996 in the Psychology Department of Brain and Cognitive Development. Then she moved to NYU to teach from 1996-2001. In 2001 Carey returned to her alma mater, Harvard University. Also, Harvard, Carey met her husband Ned Block who was also a huge influence on Carey's life. On returning to Harvard, Carey began working along side Elizabeth Spelke, where they started a Developmental Studies lab. Carey also studied alongside George Miller, Jerome Butler, and Roger Brown. Carey is a member of the American Philosophical Society, the National Academy of Sciences, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the National Academy of Education, and the British Academy. Her research analyzes philosophical concepts, and conceptual changes in science over time. She conducted experiments on infants, toddlers, adults, and non-human primates. Carey coined the term, "Quinian bootstrapping" which is a bootstrapping process that historians and philosophers looked at on conceptual change. Ashley.miller.2 (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Career
When Susan Carey began her career she served on a few Editorial Boards. Some of the boards she was on were for the Psychological Review, Psychological Science, Journal of Acquisition, and Development Psychology. Susan Carey and Elsa Bartlett were at Harvard University when they created the term "fast-mapping" in 1978. This term refers to the hypothesized mental process where a new concept is learned only based on a single exposure. Susan Carey wrote a book during her career as a psychologist which was called "Conceptual Change in Childhood". This book was about the cognitive differences between children and adults. It is a case study about children's acquisition of biological knowledge and analyzes the ways the knowledge is restructured during the development. Susan Carey wrote another book called "the Origin of Concepts" which shows the basis of development of cognitive science. Professional Experience 2001- Professor, Harvard Department of Psychology 1996-2001 Professor, NYU Department of Psychology 1984-1996 Professor, MIT Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences 1977-1984 Associate Professor, MIT Psychology Department 1972-1977 Assistant Professor, MIT Psychology Department ~

Awards
Susan Carey has received many fellowships and honors. These fellowships and honors include: Radcliff Institute Fellowship (1976-1978), Sloane Fellow (1980-1981), Fellow: Institute for Advanced Studies in the Behavioral Sciences (1984-1985), Cattell Fellowship (1995-1996), Nicod Prize (1998), Society of Cognitive Neuroscience, George A Miller Lecturer (1998), Guggenheim Fellowship (1999-2000), National Academy of Education (1999), Society for Experimental Psychology (1999), American Academy of Arts and Sciences (2001), William James Fellow, American Psychology Society (2002), The British Academy, Corresponding Fellow (2007), David E. Rumelhart Prize (2008), Ottawa Township High School Hall of Fame (2009), Distinguished Scientific Contribution Award, American Psychological Association (2009), Eleanor Maccoby Award for the Best Book in Development Psychology (APA, 2010), and Cognitive Development Society Book Award (2001) Ashley.miller.2 (talk) 01:36, 22 November 2016 (UTC) Ashley.miller.2 (talk) 01:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Dr. Council's comments on your main article
Overall, you've done a nice job on this, but it's much too long. You need to balance the article relative to the subject's notability. This article could be cut by 1/4 to 1/2 and be much improved as a result. I will not suggest specific cuts, but recommend that you focus on her most important accomplishments. Some specific comments follow. I am sending the link to Ian for his comments. J.R. Council (talk) 19:46, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) The lead section is much to long and contains information not relevant to the lead. I have italicized this material in the lead and suggested where to put it.