User:SpacemanSpiff/sandbox2/req

Caste articles and talk pages
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Request concerning Caste articles and talk pages

 * User who is submitting this request for enforcement : 04:09, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Proposal to limit editing of Caste pages
 * This concerns the topic area covered under and  . I propose that uninvolved administrators should be empowered to limit editing of an article about an Indian or Pakistani social group (and/or its talkpage) to accounts older than 30 days and with at least 500 edits. This is similar to the Gamergate 500/30 restriction and can be implemented through an edit filter similar to Filter #698.


 * Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan : standard discretionary sanctions


 * Additional comments by editor filing complaint :

This is a proposal that some of us editors and uninvolved administrators who patrol this area came up with and is reflective of what seems reasonable to all of us. Discussion can be found at User talk:SpacemanSpiff/sandbox2. (Contributor list: Bishonen, Abecedare, Philg88, Sitush, NeilN, The Blade of the Northern Lights, SpacemanSpiff)


 * Background
 * The environment around caste articles has been found to be toxic and disruptive numerous times at various venues.
 * We have Arbcom-imposed WP:ARBIPA that covers all India-Pakistan-Afghanistan topics and thereby the caste-related topics.
 * We have WP:GS/Caste imposed by the community to cover caste-related topics across South Asia (which includes Nepal, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka, as well as India and Pakistan) but the overlap with India makes the coverage similar to ARBIPA.


 * Current issues
 * While the sanctions are helpful in dealing with stuff post facto, they do not prevent disruption which results in time and effort of editors and admins being wasted as well as bytes on ANI and other related forums
 * Caste-based off-wiki discussion groups are dime a dozen and we often see coordinated edits. Worse than that, though, are the off-wiki attacks that editors and admins in this space have had to suffer. A few such incidents have been brought up to ANI or Arbcom on an ad-hoc informational basis, but very rarely are they brought up for remedial purposes as the people targeted by them don't want to take the extra effort.
 * With our low level of policing of such articles in the past, numerous mirrors have sprung up and are now regularly being used as sources for contentious material within the same articles. An extreme problem of this can be seen from this CCI, pending for five years.
 * Article gets written on the Jatland open wiki --> gets copied to en.wiki--> gets mirrored to Encyclopedia of Martial Races or Encyclopaedia of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh --> Some good faith editor cleans up the related Jat article here --> New editor comes back and uses Encyclopedia of Martial Races or Encyclopaedia of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh as a source--> talk page conversation goes in circles as every time this mirror has to be discredited.
 * Another example where this sanction would have been useful over the past five years is at Nair. The talk page history shows just how many SPAs and socks come up and how few "regular" editors are there to deal with this problem.
 * We have to create an environment where our regular editors are not driven out by such activity, and also keep our articles at a reasonable level of cleanliness.


 * Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : NA

Discussion concerning Caste articles and talk pages
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Result concerning Caste articles and talk pages

 * This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.