User:StPeteRays/Archive2

Your signature
I was looking over something else and stumbled across your user signature. Given the connotations of Jimbo on this site, would you change yours to something else? Durova Charg e! 01:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I apologize, but I have no idea what you're talking about. With all due respect, that's my name and why should I change it, especially for someone I don't even know?  I'm sure there's more than one person named Jimbo in this world; what's the big deal about my name?  Jimbo  03:16, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there is too, however the name Jimbo is very special on wikipedia as it's the name of the person who started the whole thing: Jimbo Wales. Please change your nickname to something else. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 01:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've asked for input on this here on ANI. -- Donald Albury 01:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Un-f'n-believeable! The fact that my name is the same as someone who started this site is becoming a federal issue is appalling and ridiculous!!!  It's not as though I'm trying to go around and pose as someone else.  All I'm doing is trying to be helpful, but informal, as "Jimbo" is how I'm known in real life!  Oh, but let's make this better, shall we?  My name is James and I live in St. Petersburg, Florida, so based on that fact alone, is it safe to assume that I'm going to be further persecuted because there's someone who's "more important" than me on this site who's also named James and lives in St. Pete as well?  I think not.  The people of this site have way too much time on their hands if all they can do is try to make an example of me.  Don't you have better things to do, like, I dunno...FIX ARTICLES?!?  To prevent further interogations by these imbeciles, I'm going to change my moniker, but be it known that all I'm trying to do like most people are doing here: make this site a better place for the world to find information.  If there is any more provacation like this (and that includes pitting a slash through my name one more f'n time!), I will be reporting anyone who does for harassment and I will be going down to the Wikimedia offices on my lunch break...I do, after all, work two blocks away.  So, let me do my task and help with these sites and you spend your time picking on someone else, or just leave, because obviously all your doing is wasting all our time!  So much for "freedom of speech"...  EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 01:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I especially liked your comment on WP:AN/I about having more article editing to do, rather than argue about your signature. "I've made 25 significant edits today and I would much rather spend my time doing that than trying to explain to someone 6000 miles away why the nickname 'Jimbo' is not offensive, deceiving, or improper." That was well written. Good luck. Speaking of which, I should probably make a few significant edits myself, rather than hang around on talk pages. :-) AnonEMouse (squeak) 18:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

SR 589, SR 618 Infoboxes
Thanks for adding the infoboxes for these two Tampa highways. The boxes definitely make the articles more organized at the introduction. I just completed a rewrite of the SR 589 article and added additional info and a photo for the Tampa Airport Interchanges reconstruction. As for the SR 618 article, I just completed a revision of the toll rates, as they have been raised. However, I would like to know what on earth is SR 620 (As mentioned in the history page)? Is that the future spur to I-4 or something else? Wslupecki 13:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC).
 * No flippin' clue. It has it listed in the progression box at the bottom of the page, and it's also listed in the List of Florida State Roads, so I couldn't begin to tell you where, if anywhere, it is.  If you figure it out, lemme know!  Jimbo  18:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

St. Petersburg, Florida
Hello. I am on an ongoing personal crusade to tone down boosterism and promotional language in articles about cities and towns on wikipedia. As part of this process, I am still doubting the statement of prominence made about the St. Petersburg Times on the St. Petersburg, Florida article. Please respond to my reasoning on the talk page. Thanks!

DarwinPeacock 22:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Dale Mabry
Glad you liked it, and thanks for fixing it up. One thing I've noticed though is that you have to watch those .SVG files - sometimes some of them will show up as 'white boxes' for no reason. The ones for 573 and 92 did, but the fix is easy - just change the size of the image one or two pixels either way and it shows up just fine. No idea why... - Aerobird 00:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

County route shields
My plate is kind of full at the moment, but if you're willing to be patient, I'm willing to help out. -- NORTH talk 17:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It would probably be better to give me the list now, that way I can get right on them when I have some time. -- NORTH talk 00:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all your hard work on the NJ infoboxes. I should have those shields done by the end of the week. -- NORTH talk 18:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * One thing I've noticed that you're doing slightly wrong: Only put junctions on the same line if they're actually in the same place (or at least really, really close), not just in the same municipality.  Like I said, though, it's a slight mistake; don't bother going back to fix the ones you've already done. Just future reference for the ones you haven't done yet. -- NORTH talk 18:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem. If you want, don't worry too much about things like that, or the 10-junction guideline.  Someone with more experience with the routes (like me, currently living in Washington, but raised in NJ) can go back and remove a couple of junctions.  Anything you can do to get us started is much appreciated. -- NORTH talk 18:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Apologies. When I assume I make an @$$, etc.  Again, thank you for your tireless efforts. -- NORTH talk 00:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm about to start working on the shields you requested. I should be able to do them in one sitting, if not they'll be done some time tomorrow.

A question/comment about one of the infoboxes you made: I noticed you changed the terminus of CR 540 to say US 40/NJ 140 instead of US 130 -- and I agree... sort of. The problem is that CR 540 is actually the exact same situation as CR 536 and US 322. If you look at the straight line diagram for CR 540, it says something like "Begin CR 540 at MP 0.92", which certainly indicates to me that the terminus is at US 40/NJ 140, it just happens to have a weird milepost. But it also says "For MP 0.00-0.92, see NJ 140", which sort of seems to indicate that there's a concurrency with NJ 140 and CR 540. The wording on the SLD for CR 536 is exactly the same -- it says "Begin CR 536 at MP xx.xx" where it "splits off" from US 322.

My preference would be to keep CR 540 with your new edits, and also add a note to the article text stating that mileposts continue from NJ 140. Then we should also change CR 536 to say that the terminus is in Monroe Township (I think) instead of the state line, and add the same note to the article text. Agree or disagree? -- NORTH talk 04:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Shields are uploaded. See User:Northenglish/Sandbox3 for previews. -- NORTH talk 05:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your input on CR 536 and 540. In that case, let's keep things the way they are (call US 322/CR 536 a concurrency, but call the NJ 140/CR 540 junction the terminus).  However, we do need to make it clear that mileposts continue from NJ 140, and also make sure that the length in the infobox does not include those 0.92 miles. -- NORTH talk 23:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

So... what do you think of the new articles for New Jersey county routes? -- NORTH talk 07:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, a more prominent link to the 500-series routes would be a good idea. For the link in the infobox, I'm not sure I see how your proposed alternatives are more (or less) encyclopedic.  The advantage to the phrase "500-series county routes" is that it is an official phrase used by NJDOT, but it's not a proper noun and shouldn't be capitalized -- I don't think...
 * As for the table, that is definitely a good idea, and one I already had myself, but probably not to the same scale. It's not really a table, but it goes along with what you were saying with the standardization of information: (I don't have cities, but I suppose we could add them if we want...)


 * [[Image:Monmouth County Route 3 NJ.svg|30px]]
 * County Route 3: 13.21 miles (21.26 km); from Millhurst Road (CR 527) in Manalapan Township to Route 35 in Keyport
 * bgcolor=#f1f5fc|[[Image:Monmouth County Route 4 NJ.svg|30px]]
 * bgcolor=#f1f5fc|County Route 4: 12.34 miles (19.86 km); from Route 79 in Marlboro Township to First Street (CR 64) in Keyport
 * }
 * What do you think? -- NORTH talk 22:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you think? -- NORTH talk 22:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Creating more shields is not a problem. I already did all the Monmouth County ones -- that's why I used it as the example -- and I've created a bunch more here and there the past couple of days while working on the infoboxes for "600-series" routes.
 * Like I said, adding the cities wouldn't be a big deal. The only reason I wasn't for it originally is because I thought my route description would be a lot longer... but it's not.
 * As for what you can do to help, perhaps expanding the existing lists according to some set format -- in my example, it's link, length, termini -- and then when I get the shields up, we can convert them to a pretty table later. -- NORTH talk 18:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, since all the shields are up for the 500 routes and for Monmouth County, feel free to work on those lists in table form with images. -- NORTH talk 22:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You know how it is. Whatever you can do whenever you can do it. :-) -- NORTH talk 23:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I uploaded all the Ocean County shields, as well as the one you asked for: [[Image:Pinellas County Route 752 FL.svg|20px]] -- NORTH talk 23:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

CR 573
Here's the source you want to look at: http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/nj/nj_41/. CR 573 was a designation given to Temporary NJ 41 while a bypass was being planned, but was never built. Probably around the same time NJ 41 was made non-temporary (2001), CR 573 was removed from the SLDs, but is still signed. I vote for keeping the page where it is, although if we get verifiable evidence that it's no longer signed, we can merge it with the NJ 41 article. -- NORTH talk 23:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * One thing I'd like you to do with the infoboxes you've created if you get a chance... For the length, we should be using the length_round and length_ref parameters, instead of the deprecated length_km parameter. Check out this diff to see what I'm talking about.  It's an easy fix.  Sorry I didn't let you know about it sooner. -- NORTH talk 20:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry. The reference to the SLDs after the length needs to go in  .  Then you need to include a References section with a   tag, and take the sld out of the external links section.  Take another look at the diff I linked to in my last comment. -- NORTH talk 17:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem. Worse things have happened. -- NORTH talk 17:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

CR 573 is concurrent with NJ 41 from NJ 168 in Runnemeade (MP 4.95) to NJ 154 in Cherry Hill (MP 10.68). Those mileposts are taken from the NJ 41 SLD, and you can take the length from that. You can also use the NJ 41 SLD for major junctions for the like. -- NORTH talk 00:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

U.S. Roads Newsletter Issue #1

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List of county routes in Monmouth County, New Jersey
First off, great job so far!!! I just have two tips...

(1) If you look at Piped link, it discourages linking the way you're doing it (i.e. ).  I'd prefer something like.

(2) There's a mistake on the Monmouth County SLDs. What NJDOT lists as CRs 61-64 are actually the four sections of CR 6.

Keep up the good work! -- NORTH talk 23:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I've started working on the 500-series routes in bits and pieces. If you'd like, you can take over.  It's in my sandbox. -- NORTH talk 03:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:FU
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U.S. Roads Newsletter Issue #2

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Delaware-road-stub
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Map of Tampa
done. (and Hillsborough County, Plant City and Template Terrace. whew!) Bastiq ▼ e demandez 18:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

US regions and Delaware
Just so you know, Wikipedia uses the US Census bureau definitions of the Northeast, South, Midwest, and West in its categorization. This is mostly intuitive, except Delaware and Maryland are considered part of the Southern United States. So when you encounter DE and MD categories under the South, this isn't a mistake. —CComMack (t–c) 11:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I reverted Delaware-struct-stub because it was on my Watchlist; I'll let you handle anything else that needs handling. Cheers!  —CComMack (t–c) 13:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 3

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Active user verification
Hello,. Due to the high number of inactive users at WP:USRD, we are asking that you verify that you are still an active contributor of the project. To do so, please add an asterisk (*) after your name on WikiProject U.S. Roads/Newsletter/List. Users without one by the next issue in 2 weeks will be removed off the list and off the respective road projects as well. If you have any questions, please contact me on my talk page. Thanks. Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 22:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Source for historical population data
Where were you able to find the 1850-1920 population data? Alansohn 18:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have to pull out the data year-by-year, or is there any way to pull out historical data for a specific municipality? Alansohn 19:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 4

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Need improving
I need a favor, i'm too busy on WPTC to get around to the Canada Roads projects, any chance you could help?Mitchazenia 22:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 5

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Delaware project
I think that there's probably enough reason to try to start the project formally now, particularly as you've created the banner. All that you'd have to do is move the project page to WikiProject Delaware to give it a start. John Carter 15:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * A lot of other projects only have a few members before they're officially "launched", only to get more once others see the banner on a number of articles. And, if nothing else, having assessment criteria (I can create the necessary work for assessment), would really be useful to wikipedia as a whole, as it would let us have a better idea of which articles are closest to good or featured article status. Also, you might contact the people on the page to see if they would be interested in joining once it's formally started. My guess is that at least a few would do so, once they know the project is up and running. John Carter 17:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you want any help in setting up the page or related pages, and (maybe) in placing the banner, let me know. And using User:PockBot to see what the current status of the various articles relating to Delaware is, that might make filling in the "featured content" section easier as well. John Carter 17:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Re:Thanks!
No problem. It was the turtle porn that got me suspicious. Thanks so much for the barnstar! ... disco spinster   talk  12:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 6

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Phillies Season by Season records
Hi there, I was wondering how you felt about moving the Phils' season by season records to a separate page, as the article is fairly long. We could have a template that automatically displays it, or, (in my opinion) better yet, just have it as the main article with only maybe a preview of the table with a few current years displayed. It was briefly discussed here. Cole Hamels is electric. JesseRafe 01:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries. As you can see on the talk page linked above, the article is fairly long. As in long-long. And navigating through the page without initially using the TOC can be a bit tedious when you have to scroll through so much, and the average reader isn't that concerned with the Phils' 1932 standings. Having a Main Article link at the header of the section will make it clear that they have more than 5 years of history.
 * Other pros include the fact that the main page won't have to be edited day-to-day. This way we can monitor solely the content changes made, and it gives a much easier view of the overall shape of the article.
 * In short it is easier for the casual reader (article length being much more manageable) and for the editor/page-watcher (fewer miniscule changes made). JesseRafe 01:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

"Not necessary"?
Define "not necessary", if you please. Flonto 00:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Necessary Explanation
Sorry! Something came up when I was about to type the rest and I finished off quick instead of coming back another time. In the article on the State of Pennsylvania, I added, after the state nicknames, some traditional nicknames for inhabitants of Pennsylvania. You appear to have deleted this information with only the comment 'not necessary' in your edit summary. I am not saying that you were wrong in coming to the conclusion that this information was "unnecessary". All I'm saying is that you appear to have deleted it after one glance, without consultating anybody, without explaining your actions on the Discussion Page and without even giving a proper edit summary. "Not necessary" explains nothing. By this definition of necessity, the nicknames for the state itself are also unnecessary trivia: but you did not delete them. I am not saying you were wrong: I guess calling Ohioans Buckeyes, Kansans Jayhawkers, etc. is pretty old-fashioned nowadays. Maybe I need to move with the times. Anyway, it's not a matter of life and death. But I would have appreciated you taking a moment to explain why you deleted my contribution to that article, which was intended to be informative, whether it succeeded or not. Flonto 06:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair Enough
Understand reasons for reversion. Wikipedia demands sourcing of info. I will not put those nicknames back - I think I must accept that they are part of a colorful American past that is now gone. On reflection, probably the only reason that "Hoosier" is still used nowadays is because 'Indianan' comes so awkwardly off the tongue. I guess I need to move with the times. Flonto 18:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

State license plate IFD
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USRD Newsletter - Issue 7

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USRD Newsletter - Issue 8

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USRD Newsletter - Issue 9

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WP:NJSCR newsletter 4

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Tallest Buildings by State
Hey, just wanted to fill you in on why I basically did away with your revisions you just made... I started out noticing the exact same thing you did. But in the effort to try to determine which numbers were correct, I found the copyright infringement and that the data was generally a bit outdated, and it wasn't immediately clear how many towers were of each type (it's actually difficult to determine at times... I need to go dig more to find out what is the actual greatest use of the Miami tower). So I decided to, temporarily at least, axe that stat. Didn't realize you'd edited.

Page needs some work, but I think it's much more useful and meaningful (and legal) now. And I'll bring some more revisions when I get some time... as well as some work on making linked pages for the few remaining unwiki-ed buildings.

Rest assured, it's nothing against you. I could never do anything negative to a fellow Floridian with road geekiness! Even if you are an Eagles fan!!! :-p JeopardyTempest 14:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 10

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Wikimedia Pennsylvania
Hello there!

I'm writing to inform you that we are now forming the first local Wikimedia Chapter in the United States: Wikimedia Pennsylvania. Our goals are to perform outreach and fundraising activities on behalf of the various Wikimedia projects. If you're interested in being a part of the chapter, or just want to know more, you can:
 * Contact us on IRC at #wikimedia-pa
 * Join our mailing list
 * Visit our blog at http://wmfpa.blogspot.com

Thanks and I hope you join up!  Cbrown1023   talk   03:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I-95 Delaware
Go ahead! When I get a chance which will probably be sometime later tonight, I'm going to bring up state-specific articles of long Interstates on the talk page and we'll figure something out. -- M PD T / C 18:17, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of All USRD Clean-up Templates
All of the USRD Clean-up Templates have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.  master son T - C 16:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

An important letter
Dear roads editor,

You may have noticed some changes at WP:USRD lately. Some of them, like the cleanup templates and the stub templates, have been astounding and great. Unfortunately, others have been disturbing.

This has become evidenced by the departure of a few prominent editors at USRD, a few RFC's, and much fighting among USRD editors.

After the second RFC, many of us found the opportunity to take a step away from Wikipedia for a while--as a self-imposed wikibreak, or possibly on vacation.

The result of such introspection was that many of us were placing ourselves in a "walled garden" and on a self-imposed pedestal of authority over the roads department. Also, we were being hostile to a few users who were not agreeing with us.

In fact, IRC has been the main incarnation of this "walled garden." Decisions have been made there to conduct grudges and prejudices against a few valued USRD users with poor justification.

For this, we have come to apologize. We have come to ask your forgiveness.

In addition to this, we hope to work as one USRD team from now on and to encourage cooperation instead of the promotion of interests.

All users are welcome to collaborate on IRC, the newsletter, or anywhere else at USRD.

In the future, please feel free to approach us about any issues you may have.

Regards,

Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 17:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
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USRD Newsletter - Issue 11

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Cologne Cathedral
Please use the preview button to check the effect. You can't jam something as large as the height box into an article without disrupting the whole thing.

That box contains one highly qualified and arguably misleading piece of information. It is nowhere near as signifcant as the UNESCO World Heritage box. I personally don't believe that a single piece of no-longer relevant info like that ought to be given such signifcance. It not encyclopedic. This is not Guiness Book of records or Ripley's believe it or not. I can't comprehend why a buzz-word "TALLEST! WOW!" is given such signicance when it was in fact only briefly significant. There is far more to Cologne Cathedral than that.

After discussion, the box was put at its current location. It is possible, by rearranging things, to shove it in below the other box, but not in the way that you did it. If it goes in, then the illustrations which have been carefully selected to illustrate the text will have to go. We can't have both. They wont fit. The pragmatic decision was to put the least significant fact at the bottom.

Why do I say that it's the least significant? Well, The box is specifically about "habitable" buildings. If you accept the dates, then you have to discount the fact that Cologne was surpassed by both the Washington Monument and the Eiffel Tower. The question the arises... Is the openwork spire of Cologne Cathedral really more habitable than the Eiffell Tower? There is actually a large enclosed space on the first level of the Eiffel Tower which is quite habitable. So whi is one considered to be habitable "right to the top of the structure" and the other isn't? It's a moot point! But this is what the box is about.

The realities are that Cologne Cathedral was the world's tallest structure for several years. (But the box doesn't say that). It briefly had the tallest church spires until surpassed by Ulm and still has the second tallest.

This stuff is all a bit like saying that the world's largest Cathedral is ...Washington, I think... OK! To be perfectly pedantic it's true! WOW! I hear... "Does that mean it's even bigger than Saint Peter's in Rome?" .... No it doesn't mean that at all. But (here's the catch... St Peter's is not actually a cathedral ...it's a basilica... so Ya!) That's why I can't stand this sort of crap that compares the sizes of things in a stupid meaningless way. As an Art Historian, it means nothing to me.

It goes like this- Lincoln Cathedral and Old St Pauls both had spires that were about as tall as those on Ulm and Cologne. Who can say, and who really gives a damn whether one was two feet taller? They were both around 550 feet and both stood for several hundred years. If someone had dumped a load of coal near St Paul's it would be two feet shorter. If someone excavated a drainage ditch near Lincoln, it would be two feet taller. So what?

Salisbury Cathedral, as you probably know, has the talllest spire in England. Oh, its 100 feet shorter than Cologne and Ulm! But how magnificent! It is built, not of openwork like the German Cathedrals, or of wood with lead roofing, but of masonry, 400( and something) feet of ashlar masonry towering into the sky. Now that's impressive! But to tell the truth, I've never bothered to check to see if it is in fact the tallest masonry spire in the world. It just might be... The question is, does it justify a box which says so?

Now there's another case... Chartres. Some writers claim that the later of its two mismatched spires is the most beautiful spire in the world. Nonsense! say other writers. It's the older spire that is superb! It is definitely the finest Early Gothic spire anywhere. ... They might both be right of course, but "most beautiful" is entirely POV and definitely doesn't warrant a box.

Yeah, well anyway... you see what I'm waffling on about...

cheers! --Amandajm 16:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Geography of NJ COTW
I've nominated Geography of New Jersey for the article improvement drive. Support would be great for it. - ZeWrestler  Talk 22:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

NJSCR Newsletter 5

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State name on MD interstate shields
A discussion is underway on this topic at WT:MDRD. Your input is appreciated. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 22:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 12

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Pinellas County Roads table
I see you're in the process of adding a table for the List of county roads in Pinellas County, Florida. You should add a column for notes. DanTD 16:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Also you should know that Pinellas CR 501 was extended north to Klosterman Road(Pinellas CR 880), on August 28, 2007(http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=62049), (http://www.tbnweekly.com/content_articles/082607_fpg-01.txt). DanTD 19:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 13

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USRD Inactivity check and news report
Hello, EaglesFanInTampa. We had a few urgent matters to communicate to you:
 * 1) Please update your information at WikiProject U.S. Roads/Participants, our new centralized participant list. Those who have not done so by October 20th will be removed.
 * 2) There are important discussions taking place at WT:USRD relating to whether WP:USRD, WP:HWY, or the state projects should hold the "power" in the roads projects.

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USRD Newsletter - Issue 14

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WP:NJSCR Newsletter 6
Mit ch 32contribs 01:50, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Salem
I will work on them now. I have done NJ CR articles in the past. I made the shields as well as wrote the article List of county routes in Atlantic County, New Jersey (except for 3) I made them now I just have to uploadthem. C.M.101 23:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Which do you think looks better? OR  ?

I'll get those shields, i've been busy Carpetmaster101 03:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Pinellas County
I already fixed the shields, just need to upload them. Someone told me to use another font for the numerals, so I did, but that was not the right font size. I should have the right ones made by October 7. Carpetmaster101 01:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Update
How do you think 138-245 came out?

C.M.101 03:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC) Carpetmaster 101

Okay. now I am done Tell me if anything is not right.(I still need to get around to purging 375) C.M.101 04:10, 8 October 2007 (UTC) If you ever need any County route shields I would be happy to make them. C.M.101 23:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Devil Rays '08
Regarding this, please see as a source. Thanks. BrianY 18:29, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * OK. Thanks. Happy editing. BrianY 03:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've also posted many other schedule templates so I can help you if you want to do other teams. --VoL†ro/\/Force 02:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Some teams post only home schedules. If you post them on WP, then you'll have to complete them as other schedule are released.  The Giants schedule has mostly home game, but you can fill out the away game when you see them on other teams' schedules.  VoL†ro/\/Force 02:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations! Your image Image:City Hall cropped.jpg was the random picture of the day for October 17, 2007. It looked like this:. Again, Congratulations! - Presidentman (talk) Random Picture of the Day 22:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

"Devil Rays" or "Rays"
News that the team has been looking to call itself the Rays has been floating around. Is this is done should we rename all the pages or leave it alone? After all a lot of people use the abbrivated term "Jays" for the Toronto Blue Jays. VoL†ro/\/Force 19:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 15

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Robbinsville CDP, New Jersey
The better example would have been "Toms River, New Jersey" being renamed to Toms River CDP, New Jersey and "Dover Township, New Jersey" being renamed as Toms River, New Jersey, which was also the result of a ballot referendum passed on an election day. The problem with your rename of "Robbinsville, New Jersey" to Robbinsville CDP, New Jersey is that this Robbinsville is NOT a census-designated place ordained and defined by the United States Census Bureau. We do have borough/township pairs (e.g. Pemberton, New Jersey and Pemberton Township, New Jersey), but I agree that the Robbinsville neighborhood should be differentiated to distinguish it from the township to avoid possible mislinks. Robbinsville, New Jersey should also redirect to the Township (which I've done already. But what should we use instead of "CDP" in the title? Any thoughts? Alansohn 18:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not a CDP? My mistake.  That's what I get for assuming again...lol.  I could have sworn it was a CDP, though.  Anyway, you're right, it needs something to differentiate it from the (now) Robbinsville Township.  We could do "Robbinsville, Robbinsville Township, New Jersey", but that's way too wordy.  Why not just merge them together, since it's nothing more than a neighborhood of the township now?  It seems like wasted space to have them separate.  It'd be like having a separate article for Pedricktown and Oldmans Township; the names are interchangeable in Salem County, so there'd be no need to switch them. Speaking of, you got something against Salem County, saying my examples weren't good enough?  ;-)  LOL EaglesFanInTampa 20:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing against Salem County, but those were examples of a paired Township/CDP, and what we have here is a renamed township that is now using the name of an area within the township as the new name for the whole township, more similar to the Toms River situation. What is now Robbinsville CDP, New Jersey was created for the Robbinsville ZIP code, using census bureau data for what's called a ZCTA. In many cases here in New Jersey, people will say they lived in "Robbinsville" (the address on their mail), not "Washington Township" (their municipality). We could finesses the whole issue by redirecting the old article to the new one, but I think that there should be an independent article for what is in essence "downtown" Robbinsville. Regarding Pedricktown, my usual standard is to create such articles if they have data at the Census Bureau web site (Pedricktown does, many do not), and if there are other existing articles linking to it (which Pedricktown does have). I'd be happy to whip up a standalone for article for you, if you'd be interested. Alansohn 20:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I moved the above conversation to Talk:Robbinsville CDP, New Jersey, and invite your continued participation there. Alansohn 14:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you have time, a standalone article for Pedricktown would be great, actually. And, I know you have nothing against Salem Co...even if it's the most-backward county in the state ;-).  I'll put the rest of my 2¢ on the topic at hand on the aforementioned talk page. EaglesFanInTampa 14:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Check out Pedricktown, New Jersey. Alansohn 17:17, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I like it! All I need to do now is get a map made and start creating a history section from the comm. website.  Thanks again! EaglesFanInTampa 21:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Skyscrapers invitation
-- Rai - me  03:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

-- Leitmanp 19:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 16

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USRD Newsletter - Volume 1, Issue 17

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