User:Steeringly/sandbox

Hi Doug, Thank you for your comments it certainly adds to the efforts of Wikipedia to be an impartial and inclusive community. I think it is very important first of all to realise that the comment on your talk page are unreferenced. I will use references to support my comments and I hope that you will be objective and return my comments and links after carefully considering the facts. Firstly to quote another link from Ahmadiyya.org - http://www.ahmadiyya.org/qadis/contents.htm - It explains clearly that no offense is intended they simply mean to differentiate between themselves and the other Ahmadiyya group. To simplify it is a similar distinction between Sunni and Shia. So both groups are Ahmadiyya but they are differentiated by the terms being shortened to Qadiani (Qadian being the place they originated from) and Lahori's the Lahore movement (who moved onto Lahore). In the UK we might call someone from London a Londoner, no offence could possibly be taken from such a term. I intend to certainly add to the wikipedia page "Qadiani" to highlight that this is not intended by all that use it as an offensive term, in the wikipedia page only one source is referenced as this being an offensive term. The reality is that Qadiani a term I choose not to use myself preferring the full title of both communities, is an easy way to identify the group since as you can see from the chart on the Ahmadiyya wiki page both groups have differing opinions. To quote the full title of the group or to refer to them simply as Ahmadiyya would not clarify the group you were identifying. This Ahmadiyya article is about both the Ahmadiyya Muslim community and the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement, therefore either the two should be divided which would be illogical or sources quoted from both communities should be allowed. This page is currently overwhelmed by links from the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and should be balanced with commentary from both. Secondly I would like to address your comments regarding the website I had quoted Central Mosque - This website is a communal gathering of sources from Muslims. Far from being a fundo mosque or indeed a mosque at all, it simply seeks to gather information from a wide variety of sources in an almost encylopedic way. It has a large number of books available to read on a number of Islamic subjects, which are referenced back to the original website as well. It has been established for over 10 years http://whois.domaintools.com/central-mosque.com. Furthermore the website link in question makes references to Fatwa from Islamic Scholars from across the worlds majority mainstream Muslims. A further look into the central-mosque website with regards to reputation will show that it is a highly visited website and actually has a higher ranking on ALEXA than http://www.aaiil.org/ the website quoted on the Ahmadiyya Wiki. If you require any further information or have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me. I think it would be bias to take a simple comment on your talk page from an unauthenticated source and cite this as your reason for removing my comments. Finally the point I have made is referenced in the main body of text in the chart of the Ahmadiyya wiki as an opinion of the majority Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, so to remove it is factually damaging to the article as a whole. As I believe I have established that these links are or should be acceptable I hope that any critics will comment on their suggested amendment to my wording or alternatively reinstate it. Currently it appears to be simply the opinion of a reputable poster on wikipedia (which has some weight of course) but not referencing any authentic sources other than personal opinion that is the cause of removal of this content. If our mutual friend Altetendekrabbe wishes to suggest an amendment to my comments please let him suggest it. However simply removing my additions I feel goes against the ethos and premise of Wikipedia as a source where people knowledgeable about a subject share authentic commentary. I have also quoted in the following a source refering to Fatwa in relation to the Ahmadiyya, these quotations are from organisations across the globe and are verifiable. Particular attention should be paid to the UK Shariah council who commented on the Ahmadiyya. Quoting directly from their website. If it was an offensive or illegal term to use Qadiani then it would not be allowed in the UK by a large and reputable organisation such as the Shariah council of the UK. Again to further clarify the acceptability of comments from the UK Shariah Council I will reference a member of the council Mufti Barkatullah quoted in a reputable publication he is the adviser to Lloyds TSB and various other banks on Shariah Finance and furthermore quoted by the BBC (Steeringly (talk) 00:20, 18 June 2012 (UTC))