User:Stephanieann531/irc

Here is a copy of the discussion we had on IRC.

[03:15]  Hi stephanieann531! Welcome to #wikipedia-en-help, the help channel for the English Wikipedia. Just ask your question, and one of our friendly helpers will answer as soon as possible. :-) [03:16] im editing my friends page, how do i get all the flags off that wikipedia flagged [03:16] and how do i post a picture [03:17] do you have a link to the article? [03:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_hornsby [03:20] to get the tags off, just do what they say, improve the article, add references, clean up the writing, stuff like that [03:20] once you've done that you can remove them yourself [03:20] oh, i cleaned up the article, how do i remove them? [03:21] ah, is this you ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.111.241.173 [03:21] just a sec, i'll check your improvements [03:22] sorry, i don't know if that is me or not, i really know nothing about computers or wikipedia, this just kinda fell on my lap [03:22] no problem [03:22] * chzz *cough*coi*cough* [03:23] oh shush, COI is only bad when people are trying to promote themselves [03:24] COI? [03:24] conflict of interest [03:24] oh [03:24] ha [03:24] when the person editing an article knows or is the subject [03:24] that's what she is trying to do.. promote [03:25] yeah, we don't take kindly to promotion on wikipedia [03:25] oh... i see [03:25] kinda goes against our fundamental principles [03:26] hmm.. ok.. advertising would be in that same catagory right [03:26] yep [03:26] ok, is there any way she can have an article? [03:26] objective, neutral, referenced articles about notable people are what we like [03:26] oh, like major country singers [03:26] i think what you have now is actually not too bad [03:26] garth brooks.. [03:27] she seems notable enough [03:27] i think she just mainly wants to get some more info about herself out there [03:27] significant airplay [03:27] i see.. in europe she had lots of airplay [03:27] * AzaTht has quit IRC ("Ex-Chat") [03:29] !helper, can i get some more opinions in here on the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Hornsby please [03:29] Is notability established, per WP:BAND ? [03:29] !link [03:29]  chzz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:BAND [03:30] i don't think the writing is all that spammy to be honest [03:30] stephanieann531 could you please have a look at that link, and see if the person meets the criteria? [03:31] No, agreed, the text isn't too bad; I'm more concerned about lack of references, and sources etc [03:32] ok, ill look at it [03:32] The references all seem to be fan sites and things like that; are there any newspapers or anything? [03:33] she meets some, not all of the criteria [03:34] She only has to meet one of them to be notable [03:34] that was the problem before when i was trying to fix it, the references & citings [03:34] oh, she meets one [03:34] ok, so notability is fine. [03:35] Now, the next big problem is references - the facts in the article. [03:35] i know the references are a problem.. [03:35] Anyone should be able to read the article, and follow the link to check the facts; at the moment, I can't do that. [03:35] thats the road block i ran into [03:35] The references need to be reliable sources. [03:35] ok, well...if the facts can't be supported by reliable sources, you'll have to remove the facts. [03:36] You might end up with a much shorter article, but at least it will be ok [03:36] ya.. but what exactly needs to be referenced? [03:36] her concerts? [03:37] and events [03:37] well, for example, it says..."As a young teenager, Hornsby was contracted to perform as a solo singer and guitar artist." [03:37] -how would you be able to prove that to me? [03:37] (I'm just taking the first example, here) [03:37] i can't.. it's just what she told the 1st person who wrote the article [03:38] ok, so that must be removed. [03:38] ok [03:38] Otherwise, I could create an article saying that I'm the president of america. See what I mean? [03:38] * Res2216firestar has joined #wikipedia-en-help [03:38] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Res2216firestar [03:38] * Res2216firestar has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [03:38] i see, very true [03:39] so anything relating to her music history must be referenced, and background? [03:39] Yes. Is there a newspaper interview, or she's in a book, or been on a TV or radio interview, or something like that? [03:40] newspaper, radio & TV [03:40] * Prodego has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [03:40] i don't have the sources though [03:41] great! so you can put any facts that are given in the newspaper, or in the TV/radio discussion, and cite them. [03:41] oh. OK, well, that's what you need to do - find the information. [03:41] ok [03:41] * Prodego has joined #wikipedia-en-help [03:41] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Prodego [03:41] Maybe you could email her and ask her if she has a copy or something. [03:41] ya, i'll have to do that.. [03:42] * jem has joined #wikipedia-en-help [03:42]  Hi jem! Welcome to #wikipedia-en-help, the help channel for the English Wikipedia. Just ask your question, and one of our friendly helpers will answer as soon as possible. :-) [03:42] ok, i understand more :) thanks for your help.. i'm sure i'll be back on here again [03:42] To clean up the article, you'll have to sort of start again. [03:42] * jem is now known as Guest12402 [03:42] * Guest12402 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [03:42] ok.. [03:42] thank you for your help [03:42] You need to remove most of the infomation that is given, and then start adding little bits of info, citing the source of each bit of information. [03:43] ok [03:43] Have a look at this link; [03:43] http://news.google.co.uk/archivesearch?um=1&ned=uk&hl=en&q=%22Nikki+Hornsby%22&cf=all [03:43] ...some of those articles might be useful, and you could cite them. [03:44] ok, thank you [03:45] no problem. But please remember that wikipedia is "live" - so you should really chop most of the things out of the page first, and then start adding bits as you find reliable sources. [03:46] oh - and you said you wanted to add a picture? [03:46] * AnotherNewbie950 has joined #wikipedia-en-help [03:46]  Hi AnotherNewbie950! Welcome to #wikipedia-en-help, the help channel for the English Wikipedia. Just ask your question, and one of our friendly helpers will answer as soon as possible. :-) [03:46] * AnotherNewbie950 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [03:46] ya.. a pic [03:46] do you have a picture of her? [03:46] yes [03:46] and is it your own picture? it's not copyright or anything? [03:47] she told me to just pull one from her myspace [03:47] i just copied it from there [03:47] OK - if it's her picture, you'll have to get her to fill in an email to give permission for it to be used. [03:48] It's quite easy - you just copy some text, she puts in her name, and you email this 'permission' to wikipedia. [03:48] ok [03:48] she needs to do it though [03:48] i can't do it [03:49] yes; if she owns the copyright, then she has to say that she agrees to it being used. [03:49] ok, i see.. she does own the copyrights [03:50] ok. I'll just find the text you need. [03:50] is there any way to save this conversation so i can refer back to it? [03:50] Yes. I'll explain that in a minute. [03:50] Have a look here; [03:50] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Email_templates [03:51] You'll see a box thing? That is exactly what she needs to send in. She could just attach the picture to her email - that would be the easiest way. [03:51] ok [03:51] Where it says "insert link" you could just write "the attached picture of myself" or something like that. [03:52] ok [03:52] ...and you can choose one of the licences from the link. [03:52] ok [03:53] If you do that, the picture will then be available for you to use on wikipedia. She will get a reply, with a number. You can use that number to find the picture on wikipedia, and then add it to the article. [03:53] ok, i see now [03:54] ok. Now - what is your wikipedia login name? [03:54] i dont' have one [03:54] can i create one right now? [03:54] Yes. It only takes a couple of minutes. [03:54] ok.. i'll do it [03:54] And once you have an account, I can put some help information on your own talk page. [03:56] done.. stephanieann531 [03:57] ok...sec... [03:58] ...ok, I've put a lot of help information on your talk page. [03:58] In a short time, I will give you another message, and I'll include a copy of this conversation. [03:59] oh, thank you! :)