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Mick Jagger's great grandfather (David Jagger) was born in Morley, West Yorkshire, Yorkshire in 1846 and arrived in Whitehaven, in 1860s, to work as a printer / compositor.

He was married three times in Whitehaven and his first wife, Emma Dobson, died aged 24, his second wife, Margaret Kitchin who came from Cleator died aged 22. David's third wife was Sidwell Elizabeth Hodge (nee Ingram ca. 1847), who was a widow with a young daughter (Mary) and was Cornish-born, having arrived in Whitehaven when her father, John Ingram (bapt.) 14 Feb 1813 at Gwinear, Cornwall. He was a tin mining engineer, came to the town to work in the coal mines.

David and Sidwell were married in 1879 and just a year later produced baby David Ernest, Mick’s grandfather.

Mick's grandfather, David Ernest Jagger, was born at Whitehaven in 1880. He moved to Derbyshire where he became a schoolmaster and married Harriett Fanshawe of Chesterfield in 1908.

Their son, Basil Fanshawe Jagger, known as "Joe", Mick's father,born 1913, was also a teacher and married Eva Ensley Mary Scutts at Dartford, Kent, in 1940. Mick was born in 1943

Notes on John Ingram
John Ingram was married to an Elizabeth Arthur on the 11th Feb 1865 at Gwinear.

I found 2 candidates for Elizabeth...
 * Elizabeth Arthur who was baptized : 21 Dec 1823 dau of Joseph and Margaret.
 * Elizabeth Arthur who was baptized: 25 Nov 1821. dau of John Henry Arthur b: ABT 1805. I believe that this Elizabeth married John Eva b: ABT 1826 in Gwinear, Cornwall, England

I believe that John Ingrams's parents were Thomas Ingram & Sidwell Michell who were married 7 December 1809 (Phillimore marriages for Gwinear ... ... ... 1560-1812.)

Notes on Sidwell Mitchell
A search on the IGI for Sidwell comes up with one result that could fit. Sidwell Mitchell bapt. 07 JAN 1776 at Camborne, dau. of Thomas and Sidwell

Another IGI search revealed a marriage for Thomas Mitchell and Sidwell IVEY on 30 September 1769 at Gwinear, Cornwall.

I found a Sidwell Mitchell on the 1851 census that has her living at Calstock as a servant in the household of William MATTHEWS Her age is shown as 74 which puts here D.O.B. at around 1777.

(231, Coombe, Calstock)
 * William Mathews,Head,M,51,,Copper Miner,Calstock Cornwall,,
 * Mary Mathews,Wife,M,,50,,Calstock Cornwall,,
 * Simon Painter,Brolaw,U,55,,Pauper,Calstock Cornwall,Blind,
 * Sidwell Mitchell,Servnt,W,,74,Pauper,Kenwyn Cornwall,,

Family Tree
Thomas Ingram | (b. 1776?) John Ingram---                    Thomas Mitchell? | (b.1813)    |                   | |  (Gwinear)   Sidwell Mitchell---  (m. 30/09/1769 at Gwinear      Wearne IVEY                            |                  (b. 1776?)     |                               | (1708 - 1747) Sidwell Elizabeth Ingram -|                                   Sidwell Ivey?               ---  (m.26 October 1737, Sithney)                           |                                    (b. 15/06/1746 Sithney)     |           (b.1847)        |                                                                   Sydwell Carpenter                            Elizabeth Arthur                                                   (1718 - 1780)                                   (b. 1823?)

Family of Thomas and Sidwell Mitchell
The couple were married on 30 September 1769 at Gwinear. Here are the children in order of birth (based on the IGI records.)


 * TOBIAS MICHELL - bapt: 11 FEB 1770 Camborne,
 * PAUL MITCHELL - bapt: 06 MAR 1774 Camborne,
 * SIDWELL MITCHELL - bapt: 07 JAN 1776 Camborne,
 * MARY MICHELL - bapt: 14 JUN 1778 Gwinear,
 * THOMAS MICHELL bapt: 08 FEB 1781 Gwinear,
 * ANN MICHELL - bapt: 21 SEP 1783 Gwinear, - Death: 24 JAN 1787
 * RALPH MICHEL - bapt: 05 FEB 1786 Gwinear,
 * JOHN MITCHELL - bapt: 27 DEC 1787 Gwinear,

Below is the results of a search for Thomas Mitchell of Gwinear.
 * 1. Thomas MICHELL - 07 MAY 1741 Gwinear
 * 2. Thomas MICHELL - 31 JUL 1742 Gwinear
 * 3. Thomas MITCHEL - 22 MAR 1746 Gwinear (S.O. Thomas and Ursula nee CURNOW)
 * 4. Thomas MITCHEL - 10 MAR 1748 Gwinear
 * 5. Thomas MITCHEL - 30 APR 1753 Gwinear
 * 6. Thomas MITCHEL - 19 FEB 1755 Gwinear