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Operation Grand Slam (NATO)
Hi, Ed! Hope that I am not look over the situation regarding this article (see [discussion page], as well as [DYN nom] for this article. I know that NortyNort is performing all due dilligence regarding this article, but I think that my reasoning regardiong the dating ond nomenclature of this event to be sound.  Let me know what you think.  Thanks for any assistance on this matter.  BTW - Great images of the Alaska by Colosseum.Marcd30319 (talk) 13:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Marc! Nice to see you again. If most of the sources use "operation", then our article probably should too. The date issue should be easily fixable, I would hope. ;-) Ed (talk • majestic titan) 19:48, 31 July 2010  (UTC)


 * The article is under consideration for re-naming 9http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/current, with my response. It sees clear that NATO convention in the 1950's is to call its combined exercises "Operations."  It is clear that the article is not to be considered for DYK, and based on the last two article that I have submitted, it is highly unlikely that I will do si in the future.Marcd30319 (talk) 21:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it will be considered until it is explicitly rejected. It appears that the hook is now 'approved' and will appear on the main page after an administrator selects it for one of the queues. It may take a few days, but it will appear, no worries. :-) Ed (talk • majestic titan) 06:26, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 July newsletter
We are half-way through our penultimate round, and nothing is yet certain. Pool A, currently led by has ended up the more competitive, with three contestants (,  and ) scoring over 500 points already. Pool B is led by, who has also scored well over 500. The top two from each pool, as well as the next four highest scorers regardless of pool, will make it through to our final eight. As ever, anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

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Midshipman FAC Media review
Sorry to bother, but Midshipman needs a media review prior to promotion; I was wondering if you could help out here? Most of the images were already checked in the previous review, so it should be pretty easy (I hope!). Kirk (talk) 12:53, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, it's not a bother, but I'm probably not good enough to determine if files like File:Midshipman-SA.png are PD or derivative works, so I'll have to pass. Apologies, Ed (talk • majestic titan) 15:57, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Since you're still online, I'll take a jab.
Sorry for the constant pings, but do you have any GA/FA noms up? Or any planned ones? I can't sleep and I need work. Thus, I am antsy.

I can't find your todo list (if I could, this would not be here). Perhaps it has been eaten by the monster.

I'm not stalking. For real. *serious face* Tell me the moment it gets on your nerves. Oops, too late! &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 06:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Pianista, you could help me with the AfC backlog...Pretty please? pretty pretty please with sugar on top? Okay, that was sickening. I'll stop now. sonia  ♫  06:41, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll do it, assuming that a maraschino cherry comes with it. PLEASE TELL ME that the cherry is included. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 06:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * 'k, take two. pretty pretty please with powdered sugar and a maraschino cherry on top? Better?  sonia  ♫  06:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Muchly. But that still doesn't help the freaking huge amount of reading I'll have to do to actually wrap my brain around all these rules. :p However, I'd still have to read just as much, if not more, had I been over at one of Ed's "battle-cruiseships." Yes, I just deliberately insulted you, Ed. Score!) &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 06:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)



(e/c) @Sonia: Yay, I did it! So what if it's just a redirect, don't judge me. Big things come in small packages. Actually, in this case, little Latina models.

@Ed: Looking. And how would I "take that"? Your battle cruise ship (aka the Elationship quite obviously a badass name ) exploded itself. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 07:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it exploded you. Ed (talk • majestic titan) 07:28, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you look closely, ED, with your supposedly acute vision (maybe maybe?) you'll see there is no piano aboard that ship, Ed. Hence, if there is no piano, I am not there, Ed.
 * Btw, thanks for the list, Ed, but I was hoping for some sort of heads up when the FAs come, Ed. Because, really no offense intended, Ed, but I find the articles in the rudimentary stages to be a little hard on the noggin, Ed. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 07:34, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And sonia, I'm at the AfC, and I'm not sure what to do. All responsibility seems to have been pushed to the authors - cite this, fix that, etc. Am I missing out on something? &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 07:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I know you aren't there, silly; it was shooting at your piano, which is off in the distance. Rivadavia-class battleship is going up to FAC right now, and ARA Moreno will probably follow after I add more from a Spanish-language book. Ed (talk • majestic titan) 07:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Watchlist'd Moreno, tackling Rivadavia for, oh, maybe another half hour before I eventually get killed for nocturnal-ism. :D (You'll be seeing lots of that face, since I guarantee you I'll be laughing on several occasions throughout the copy-editing process.) Zing! &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 08:04, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Lol
The IRC channel is dying without the dear leader...  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  07:11, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ed is the dear leader? On a side note, Xin chào, người Việt! I'm just a bụi đời, though, so don't go spilling the Viet all over me. I'd be embarrassed if I'd have to use the translator. :D &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 07:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I got founder rights in #wikipedia-en-milhist. I wouldn't term myself as the leader. Haven't been on irc in quite awhile (hence YM's note). I'll try to get on tomorrow after work, YM, sorry. 07:28, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice timestamp. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 07:34, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I liked it too! Ed (talk • majestic titan) 07:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

thanks
I owe the hook's viewing results to you. Thanks for suggesting the alt. Cam (Chat)(Prof) 05:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, I'm glad it did so well. 11k in a non-lead slot is beyond awesome for any day besides April Fool's. I'm sure all of them were quite impressed with such a great article! :D
 * I've found that two major things can drive up views: it has to be odd enough to make a reader think "what?" (ex USS Connecticut (BB-18) and a conspiracy cover-up theory = 17.6k views), and/or you need to tie it to something everyone knows (ex tying JAPANESE BATTLESHIP Tosa to the Yamato class = 13.4k). Basically, I'm saying to be like the media and over-sensationalize everything. ;-) Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:54, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

You wanted comments...
First, sorry for being late by about three weeks :) Anyway, I still don't have any ideas on how to improve ARA Moreno and Rivadavia class battleship (since both are A-class and I have no idea how an A-class article can be improved since I've never worked there). What do you want me to do? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 08:48, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * uninvited TPS rant What do we want you do to? We want you to go back to where you came from, that's what. Do you know what I'm going to do to you if you keep sticking around? You mean nothing to us at this point. We'll pay millions, googols of money to get you out of here. Honest. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 00:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, just anything. Approach it how you would a FAC, I guess. Is it [mostly] accessible to a layman? Etc. Thanks and no worries about being late. :-) Ed (talk • majestic titan) 04:20, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry again; I was hoping to do it be tuesday but looks like I will need another day or two. It might already be a FA by the time I comment :) La Pianista, I don't want to hear that from someone who pulled the same stunt more dramatically than me :P ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 02:05, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem Chamal, whenever you have time. And Pianista... do you need some ice for that burn? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Which burn? The one Chamal inflicted, or the one you made with the link to Wiktionary? What am I, an illiterate? Oh damn...I asked for it. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 03:36, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, wasn't sure how well a home-schooled pianist would do with a pop-culture slang term... Yup, I went there. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:52, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * *applies ice* &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 04:37, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * *applies ice* &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 04:37, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

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Alzheimer's ITN
Sorry to bother you, but just wanted to let you know that your signature didn't print out correctly on ITN/C. Also, no ITN credit was given? (Not that I particularly care for such things, but I guess there are people who consider them real meaningful contributions.) Cheers! — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 09:35, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's no bother! Thanks, and I haven't given out credit before because it's hard to tell just who updated it, but I can if you would like. :-) Ed (talk • majestic titan) 09:40, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I would like to bring to your attention the WP:ERRORS discussion regarding this posting; see Talk:Main_page. The blurb is incorrect, and the study has been misinterpreted. User A1 (talk) 16:08, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I posted it because (a) the article had been updated (b) the New York Times reported what the blurb said and (c) there was consensus to add the item. I am not the person to judge whether the blurb was factual; I left that to the NYT. Regards,  Ed (talk • majestic titan) 18:33, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

SMS Tegetthoff
Hey there Ed. Can you help me out with this article here? No really writing but giving me some advice on what needs to be fixed/tweaked and how. Is the General Characteristics section too long? And I cannot find any sources about it's pre-war actions (it was commissioned in 1912 though...) is that a problem? Any comments would be helpful for me :)-- White Shadows Nobody said it was easy 01:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll try to tweak it tomorrow, the sectioning needs some work (too many for such a short article!) Some comments: characteristics look okay. Did you try searching for the movements of the squadron rather than the battleship herself? You'll have to prove why refs 1, 6, and 14 are reliable. "The" before the ship name is used inconsistently, I'd remove it. Postcard image has no source. Some odd and possibly encyclopedic phrasing eg "no less than eighty air raids" Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 07:36, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * OK thanks for offering to help me out. I'll look up the movements of the squadron as soon as I can but I'm traveling today so I'll likely get back to normal editing tomorrow.-- White Shadows Nobody said it was easy 15:04, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Reliable or not: Robert K. G. Temple on Chinese and world history
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Respect?
I'm afraid you  have just  demonstrated yet  another reason  why  I  am  particuarly  sceptical  about  not  only  those who  aspire to  adminship, but  for those who  already  are. Learn to keep  your personal comments in  the right  place. That RfA was NOT  mine.--Kudpung (talk) 12:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid you demonstrated why RfA is so difficult to pass nowadays. Digging up articles from three years ago is pretty trivial. At the place I work, I may have had many problems three years ago with cash register drawers being short ~$5 to $10, but that didn't stop them from promoting me about a month ago. Why? Because I had fixed the problem. 13:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)@ 0


 * Clarification 'fixed the problem' as in, my drawers now only rarely come in below the number they should be. Ed [talk] [majestic titan]3:00, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I just don't follow your analogy. If you are referring to the RfA, well, the candidate had not fixed the problem at all, and had no intention of doing so. Not only does that  not  make sysop material, it raises all sorts of other questions. Mine was a perfectly civil comment, and perfectly in context and certainly not sufficient to invite an off-topic personal attack.  Your character assassination is exactly the kind of reason why many steadfast, honest, mature editors don't run for office, and in the worst case scenario, leave the Wikipedia. --Kudpung (talk) 20:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am referring to the RfA. In the three years since she wrote the articles you gave, she had greatly improved in her ability to write articles and had demonstrated that knowledge. She hadn't gone back and 'fixed' the old ones, but why should she have to? I don't understand.
 * I also don't understand how I am character assassinating you. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:00, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


 * With remarks like yours to  the other !voters, you  expect  more people to  come forward like lambs to  to the  slaughter of RfA? I was once threatened by  an admin with  a block   for making  a less snarky  remark on  my  own  talk  page. In  my  four years and 13,000 largely  manual edits, I've never been so  insulted. Character assasination  was putting  it  mildly; Vilifying  would be more apt, because it  was a deliberate attempt  at  discrediting  and denigrating all  the work  of an established editor with  one short sharp cutting  statement  from  behind the armour of your untouchable adminship,  and through  the vehicle of the very  public event of someone else's RfA.  You've blott(ed your copy  book in  my  opinion because 1. To  be quite honest, you  never had any  respect to  lose for  me because you  don't  know me from  Adam. 2. for insulting  behaviour against  a mature and conscientious editor who  made a perfectly  legitimate commented vote on  an RfA, and 3. for turning  an RfA into a continued off-topic discussion. And you  wonder why  on  policy RfCs I  advocate not  relaxing  the bar for adminship, but  maintaining  it, or even raising  it  more.  An interesting little  statistic is that  of the ten or so admins I have ever interacted with, four of them are among the most  unpleasant  and bigoted characters I  have ever come across on  this entire encyclopedia project. Go  figure.--Kudpung (talk) 06:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You make valid points. I've redacted the post in a spirit of good faith, but if you feel I am trying to 'hide' it or something, please restore it. In my four years and 30,000 mostly manual edits, I don't believe I've ever thrown a more damaging insult. The way I phrased that was unacceptable, and I apologize. We have two differing opinions, and I should have left it at that.
 * @respect, I've read some of your work and looked at your userpage at some point in the past. I don't remember any details; the only major thing I remembered was your name, and that I respected you as someone who had written good content, something which should be our main focus (as a project).
 * I promise you that I am not unpleasant and bigoted. :-) I hope you allow me the chance to prove this to you at some point. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 07:02, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the apology. To  be quite honest  I  never expected you  to  even bother because you  have unfortunately already posted the fact  that  you have no  respect  for me all  over the Wikipedia,  and in  doing  so,  forced me beyond the bounds of AGF.   The immeasurable damage you  have done to my  image and any possible Request  for Adminship that  i  might  have made in  the future  is done, in  one fell  swoop, and my  immaculate record is permanently  damaged.  There is little left  for me to  do  now than to  retire from  the Wikipedia, because nobody  will  now ever take seriously any of  the help  and advice I give,  or the quality  of my  content and contributions to  policy  making.  Thank you  for that  too. I  won't  bother complaining  to  ARBCOM because  admins like you have a full  metal  armour.  All  I  can hope and  suggest  is that  in  future you  stay  away  from  anything  that  needs your use of the tools, and RfAs,  until  you  have reeducated your sense of judgement.--Kudpung (talk) 07:31, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You're welcome; you deserved it. However: I did not post that comment all over Wikipedia; you have not surpassed AGF in your discussion with me; it's my image that has suffered; and I don't see how your "immaculate record is permanently damaged" given that I attempted to retract the comments and apologized. I would be extremely surprised if someone judges you based on a single comment made by me rather than you, and I am certain that me 'losing respect for you' would not be a cause for any damage to yourself.
 * Now, having said that, if you truly believe all of what you just said, I implore you to start a thread on WP:ANI regarding my actions, as I believe that I should be accountable for all of them. Although if you do so, please be aware that I may not be able to respond for 24 or 36 hours, depending on what happens with my impending move back to college. Kind regards, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 08:32, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Olive branch.svg|100px|left]] I've had a close look  at  your contribs and  I've come to  a couple of conclusions. I'm  a retired teacher and university  lecturer. What  motivated me throughout  my  career was the fact  that  I  always enjoyed excellent relations with  my  pupils and students; I'm not  particularly  proud of it, but  it certainly  did give my  colleagues reason to  be envious. I  say  this because it's most  probably  my  professional bias that  makes the issue of maturity so  important  when I  !vote on  RfA. It  is a fact  that the 'nasties' in  the corps of Wiki policemen are generally  the teenagers who  have slipped through  the net  and mistakenly  been promoted by  the closing  crat. It's also  a fact that  because I'm aware of my  prejudice against young sysops, the last  thing  I  take into  consideration  is a candidate's age, indeed, I am  often not  aware of it. However,  when I  detect naïvety and/or a lack  of maturity, I  look  into  the age issue, and I'm  usually  not  wrong. If  I  had been interested in  !voting  a year  or two  ago I  would almost  certainly  have opposed both of your RfAs. This is because where a lot of editors are campaigning  for lowering  the pass level  for RfA, I  am actually  advocating  raising  it  more, but  at  the same time, strongly suggesting  that  we find some way  of improving  the quality  of the voting,  and severely  reducing  the humiliation  factor. This would involve putting  curbs on  the fan clubs and on the people who  place drive-by  uncommented Supports. Editcountitis is also  an issue and as you  may  have noticed, Soxred has taken his edit counting  tool off the tool server because of it, and because of the current flood of RfAs. It's a miserable feeling  when someone comes down on  you like a ton  of bricks, like I  did yesterday, for something  you  did wrong, but  did without  any  malice aforethought. I'm  sure that's what  happened with  your misplaced complaint  about  my  !voting comments. You  are already  an admin  so  it's hypothetical,  but  if you  were running  for office today, I  would almost  certainly support your nomination,  and I  would like to think  that  you  will  be participating  in  some of the debates whose goal  is to  improve the RfA system. I'm  really sorry  if I  made you  feel  ill at  ease and probably  also  ruined your day.--Kudpung (talk) 02:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Kudpung, that means a lot. I'll add a full reply later today; RL is calling me back. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 11:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I would have opposed my first RfA too, though I'm not sure about the second. :-) Editcounting is one of the more bone-headed things to oppose on, I think. I can live with 10,000 mostly automated or 4,000 manual, so long as the quality of them are excellent and they've been here for a reasonable amount of time.
 * Yes, it wasn't a good feeling, and no, I meant no malice&mdash;but it was a shortsighted and under-thought comment that I should not have made. Thanks for the apology, and I hope I see you around sometime. Kind regards, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I warned about the dangers of lowering the bar. Now that  !X has done it in one huge step,  everyone is stampeding  to  the admissions door. I  won't  be doing  my self-nom now - I  would be scared of getting  trampled to death in the crush! --Kudpung (talk) 06:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, we have to agree to disagree on this one&mdash;while X!'s close was close numerically, I really do think that some of the opposing rationales were extremely weak which moved it into the normal discretionary range. The stampede was caused by User:WereSpielChequers's recent Signpost article. I don't think the RfA close had an effect on the current spate of RfA's. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:04, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Heads up
WP:SIG &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 18:37, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The only thing that applies is the fourth bullet; my signature isn't rendered by, but  . Still, that's a holdover from the extremely old days. I guess I can copy/paste it into my preferences. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ja. Just letting you know because I remember, once upon a time, that I got called off for it. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 03:29, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice Job
..at advertising OMT over at the signpost. We do need more members. Come to think of it, just guessing, how many months/years do you think it will take until every battleship/battle cruiser/list of battleships(or battle cruisers) are at least to GA/A status?-- White Shadows Nobody said it was easy 02:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Assuming our current trends keep up, I'd ballpark some time before I finish my undergrad degree. (sorry. Yes, I'm talkpage-stalking, but this just popped up on my watchlist.) Cam (Chat)(Prof) 05:07, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it'll be about three years if Parsec and Sturm keep up their ridiculous pace and we contribute articles when we can (WS, I know you're distracted by U-boats, no worries... :P). Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 11:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

MILHIST Newsletter
Ed, Tom asked me to finish up the preparations for sending out the Bugle, but I could use some help. The only thing left to go is the descriptions of the newly-promoted articles here. I could use some help with trimming the descriptions of the A-Class articles to match the FAs and a blurb needs to be written for the battlecruiser list. After this is finished, we need to let Tom know so he can arrange for the distribution. Thanks, -MBK004 15:46, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I trimmed down the A-class blurbs and added one for the battlecruiser list. Parsecboy (talk) 14:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Parsec! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey there
Sorry I vanished on ya. I had some RL issues, and also moderatly burned-out. I'm back now, but I won't be posting quite as much as I used to (still some RL issues, alas). - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 19:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't be sorry, I was just worried about how suddenly you disappeared. :-/ Glad to see that you are still alright. Hope the RL stuff works out quickly, friend. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 11:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

RfA
I just wanted to particularly thank you for your post on my RfA. I feel like the point you made regarding my answer to Q7 emphasized that, although it may have come across as a bit combative, it wasn't intended to offend or seem defensive. I also appreciate your offer of assistance -- it's good to know of editors that are particularly willing to help me out. Again, thank you! — GorillaWarfare talk-review me! 03:03, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! That offer is open anytime. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 11:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

People above
Hi guys, if you couldn't tell, I've had a rather busy RL in the last few days, and that's probably going to continue. Rest assured, I'll reply as soon as I can. MBK, I'm probably not going to be able to help with the newsletter in time; is EyeSerene around, perhaps? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:30, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Np, I'll ask. -MBK004 03:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, Ed. We've all been busy - don't feel guilty for having a life. :) &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 03:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

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First article created, would like your thoughts
Hi, I saw you were online as you just made an edit several minutes ago so I decided to ask you this.

I just finished up creating my first article, Operation Marlborough, and I would like to ask for your thoughts on it. I'm wondering if you have any suggestions for me on how to improve it or to proceed with it. An obvious answer would be to expand it, yes, but that's all the information I can find as of now. Oh, and I recently joined WP:MILITARY, so I'm hoping to create more articles for the project and improve existing ones.

Your honest opinions wanted, thanks. Xcalizorz (talk) 20:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello there! It looks quite good. A couple comments:
 * Killing three insurgents doesn't exactly deal a "deadly blow to the Iraqi insurgency."
 * By what definition was it "one of the most successful counter-insurgency operations undertaken by British forces since the beginning of the War in Iraq." The number killed?
 * Some of the wording, like "The remainder of the group's mission was to cover all other escape routes incase of immediate retreat from the operation if all else failed, backed up by troops from Task Force Red, an Special Forces Support Group quick reaction force, standing near by incase of emergency", is awfully close to the sources'. See WP:Plag. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Points taken, looks like I've got some more editing to do, but hey, it's a start, right? I was actually hoping I'd make some errors so I wouldn't make those some mistakes later on. Anyway, thanks for your comments Ed, I'll be sure to follow up on them... after that, I'm interested in putting this up for WP:DYK after more editing, as I think the article nearly meats DYK standards. Oh yes, and by the way, I didn't need that snazzy "Talkback" box on my talk page, I'm watchlisting your talk page. ;) But I see that it has its uses. Xcalizorz (talk) 20:33, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * We've all got to start somewhere. :-) Feel free to list it at T:TDYK; don't be too afraid of having it rejected, as the reviewers will give you a chance to fix any problems they find. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Already added. Again, thanks for taking the time to help, as I see you are quite a busy admin at work. Xcalizorz (talk) 08:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome; ask anytime. I'm not really that busy on-wiki, it's real life that is killing me. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:15, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Images on Indefatigable FAC
Ed, Some questions have been asked about the images on my Indefatigable FAC at Featured article candidates/HMS Indefatigable (1909)/archive1. Could you drop by and take a look since you have more experience with this sort of thing than I do? Plus, you know people who do copyright issues and can ask them for advice if necessary. A quick look through the Commons talk:Licensing archive didn't bring up anything of use.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've commented. The Brassey's image will have to wait until we see if Jappalang made inquiries into the publication records of the company for commons:Template:PD-UK-unknown. The UK govt images are certainly PD. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:43, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * One of the images cleared a FAC image review at Featured article candidates/SMS Moltke (1910), too. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : LIII (July 2010)
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ANAK Society
Hi, I think that you overprotected the article ANAK Society. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 05:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did. Not sure how that happened. Thanks for the note! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Chile and Argentina
Hi; Sorry for delay; i was in my holidays;

Rivadavia class:
 * Burzaco, Ricardo. Acorazados y Cruceros De La Armada Argentina. Eugenio B, Buenos Aires, 1997. ISBN 987-96764-0-8
 * Arguindeguy, Pablo. Apuntes sobre los buques de la Armada Argentina (1810-1970). Comando en Jefe de la Armada, Buenos aires, 1972.

Almirante Latorre Both: This is the olny text that i know; I know more for spanish (fron Spain) ships
 * Fuenzalida Bade, Rodrigo (1968). La Armada de Chile; desde la alborada al sesquicentenario (1813-1968), Santiago, Talleres empresa periodística "Aquí está".
 * Historia de la marina de Chile
 * 
 * Las relaciones Chileno-argentinas

Takashi Kurita ~ Hablame compañero 05:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:58, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank semi-spam
Thanks for your support at my RfA, which has been closed as successful. I can't take full credit for Manitoba, though - it was already written when I got here, I just took it through GAN and FAC. Thank the early birds instead ;-) Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 15:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, still. You did good work on it. :-) Use the tools well! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

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A long overdue promise
I'll start with the usual apology for being late :) I think it's almost two months this time... Anyway, Rivadavia class battleship is at FAC now (therefore beyond common mortals like me) so I took a look at ARA Moreno. I don't know much about battleships or South American politics in the early 20th century, so I guess this is from the viewpoint of a complete stranger to the article's subject. It's not much and I don't know if it'll be any help, but that's all I have for now. I have some almost-free-time now, so I'll take a look now and then :) ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 14:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Background section - Were there tensions between Argentina and Brazil around the time Brazil decided to buy the dreadnoughts, or were they simply nervous about their neighbour getting too strong? If there were tensions it might be worth mentioning, just to make it clear.
 * Any details on how and why New York Shipbuilding was chosen for building the ship?
 * The lack of information on armament, armor etc seems a bit strange to me in a battleship article. Are they not added yet, or are they only added to the article on the ship's class?
 * Construction and trials section - In the line the former believed that the British were going to be given the ships as soon as they reached Argentina, "they" means the British or the ships?
 * International armament companies attempted to influence Argentina into selling them to one of the smaller Balkan countries, from which they would find their way into the war - Same as before; does "they" mean the armament companies, Argentina or the US? It sounds to me like the armament companies were trying to get the US involved?
 * Just curious, but why did so many accidents occur on the way to Argentina? A problem with the ship/crew or just bad luck?
 * Is it necessary to include details of Justo's visit to Brazil that are not related to the ship? It kind of stands out in the Service section, since none of the other journeys are described in detail.
 * Thanks Chamal, any comments on any article are always appreciated! I'll try to address these in the next few days, when I have time. I can quickly answer one, though: no sources even speculate as to why all the accidents occurred. Not sure why, but they don't. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2010 August newsletter
We have our final eight! The best of luck to those who remain. A bumper newsletter this week as we start our home straight.


 * Pool A's winner was . Awarded the top score overall this round, Sturmvogel_66 writes primarily on military history, favouring Naval warfare.
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