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User:TonyTheTiger/sandbox/FOURRFC
FYI, I will agree to a WP:CONSENSUS determined at an RFC after User:Rjanag gets back to me with some statistics on the project. I understand that it will take at least a week after he creates the new category to have the data. I am drafting the RFC here. You can follow along.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 08:14, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tony, that's a good idea, although you might want to work on the summaries a bit more. Things like "The only way to protect the stability of the project is to authorize a directorship" and "Changing the stages by which the criteria of the award are judged means that currently approved articles may be rejected for awards" require large 's after them. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 15:36, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 July 2013

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Naval jack of Netherlands (formerly pictured in Today's Featured Article)
I had never seen it before and thought it was very interesting and eyecatching. It looks like one of those 3-D pictures that you have to train you eye to see in 3D. --108.45.72.196 (talk) 15:59, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It is&mdash;I personally love that flag&mdash;but it's not used in the article and is only tangentially related to the TFA; it's certainly not readily identifiable as being associated with the subject. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:19, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Many Dutch things are beautiful; thanks. Drmies (talk) 17:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I wasn't aware that you are the personification of the Netherlands. Had I known, I would not have given the country any compliments. Apologies. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:43, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Precious again
  precision

Thank you for your constant flow of featured content on battleships (planning 2021), for editing the Signpost, and for your diligence in language questions without a battle, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (5 and 6 April 2009 - what did you do then to be noticed by two?)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 7 August 2012 (UTC) A year ago, you were the 206th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:42, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gerda! Much appreciated, although the 2021 plan is for JAPANESE BATTLESHIP Tosa. ;-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:57, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

for you
 * Have a titan trip with Tosa. Reading last year's thoughts almost made me cry. You wanted one with chocolate ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Aw thanks Gerda, now if only I could eat it right now ... I don't think my computer (or my mouth) would appreciate it if I tried... Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 07 August 2013

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Cash
Do note that "in cash" does not just mean paying in bills, but rather paying with money on hand as opposed to "in kind" or in other assets. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 14:17, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, but that's not necessarily apparent to international readers. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:48, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Destroyer Squadron Sixty
Could you review and rate? Thanks!Marcd30319 (talk) 21:00, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Marc, I'm looking into it right now. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:25, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

AfD
Hi Ed, hope things are going well for you! I was wondering if you had a second to close Articles for deletion/Solar Midget Race Car, as the nominator has withdrawn it without any dissenting !votes. Thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 19:07, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sitting in an airport waiting for my flight home (after ~16 to 18 hours of flying already), so they could be better, but that's okay. ;-) It's closed! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:25, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hope you're enjoying Chicago. Hahahahahah :P Keilana&#124;Parlez ici 22:50, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd rather be in Detroit's airport&mdash;that one is beautiful. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I do hope you're joking. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:36, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Detroit is ugly. Their airport is the best I've ever flown through. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:37, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Signpost images
File:Brandon, Flow, Wikimania 2013.jpg‎, File:Charles Mok, Keynote, Wikimania 2013.JPG, and File:Maryana (WMF), Flow, Wikimania 2013.JPG may be useful. Plan on adding more when I get time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:34, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Chrisco, that'll save me a lot of time :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:37, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yah. Looking this over, don't have many. May upload an image of the board, but that's it for the Signpost-y stuff. Did upload an image of Rosary Church already, and a pair of brown Russian shoes. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:46, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Couple decent ones: File:Lion dance at Wikimania 2013 10.JPG, File:Lion dance at Wikimania 2013 03.JPG, File:Lion dance at Wikimania 2013 11.JPG. And a piss poor one: File:Wikimedia Board of 2013, Wikimania 2013.JPG. Anything else you can think of? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:37, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikimania
Great to meet you too! I'm looking forward to seeing next week's detailed Signpost update. (I have a couple of emails to drop you about unrelated Signpost matters, as it happens...) Andrew Gray (talk) 14:52, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Andrew, I'll get back to you as soon as I can! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 07:04, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Final round of the WikiCup
Hi Ed, hope all's well. I'm just letting you know in advance that I'm moving house on the 28th, meaning I may be without Internet at the end of this round- even if I can find my way into a library, I'm unlikely to be about late in the evening, which is when the new round starts (for me). I should still be able to do most of what I normally do, but I may need to lean on you a little more than usual for the round transition (at the very least, for instance, I'll probably need you to do the at-midnight updating, if that's possible). Thanks! J Milburn (talk) 17:41, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey J, that sounds entertaining. I just moved myself! If I'm not working, I'd be happy to do the at-midnight updating, but I should have three jobs by then, so there's a good possibility that I won't be. If that's the case, I'd be happy to do the updating just after or right before work. Does that work? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 07:04, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, that should be fine. If I'm lucky with ISPs, I may be back online in time. If not- well, I'm sure it'll all work out! J Milburn (talk) 16:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Feel free to post here or email with more details as the date approaches! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

WP:FOUR again
Well, check out this revert. It seems Tony is rewriting history to make a "point" against people who disagree with him (and provide diffs to prove it). I couldn't care less if he did a Kiefer after all of this. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:39, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I just ... sigh. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sigh is the right word for it. My favourite? A big section at the talk page, and he writes "Some have raised the issue of removing South Side, Chicago from the list for reasons that may be for no other reason than to contest any authority I claim over the project. No arguments were presented, so I am not clear as to any rationale why we should not retain a list of former FOURs." — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:52, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've read the proposed RfC. It's not exactly a neutral accounting of events. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:54, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll say. Alright, it's late here. See you around, I've got to teach tomorrow at 7 a.m. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Go to bed, this isn't as important as RL. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * But somebody is wrong on the Internet!! - The Bushranger One ping only 17:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The hard part of playing chicken is knowing when to flinch. Needing to take care of RL things is a time to flinch. ;-) Speaking of which, I need to toddle off to work now. So, toddling. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * A... pun? Oh my. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:19, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

WP:FOUR
Hi, this is a note to inform you that a page in which you have previously shown interest, WP:FOUR, has been nominated for deletion. Your comments would be appreciated. Thank you! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:28, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Crisco, I've commented. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 14 August 2013

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXIX, August 2013
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 23:54, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

COI on Signpost
Hi Ed. A while back I was suggesting a Q&A on the SignPost about PR participation on Wikipedia. I felt the prior Q&A series had a lot of "us versus them" type posts that presented extreme views on both sides, instead of offering a more sane perspective. And I wanted to give more of a behind-the-scenes business perspective that editors would only get from a "paid editor" willing to speak frankly, rather than lobby Wikipedians to support PR participation. And finally, the discussion has died down quite a bit, a little early I think, because the issues remain unresolved (then again, they will likely be permanently unresolved).

When I started working on the Q&A I somewhat felt like there was nothing new to say. The arguments and discussion on this run in circles endlessly. However, I've taken another stab at it at: User:CorporateM/signpost

I was wondering if you would take a look at it and provide some thoughts on if there is something worth doing. Also, what burning questions you think the volunteer community would like to hear about paid editing, from a paid editor. CorporateM (Talk) 00:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi CM, sorry for the slowness. I think an opinion piece could do well, but you'll have to explain things a bit more -- eg what's the bright line? Under "Is there alignment?", what happens if a different company doesn't hold to the same standards? Etc. :-) Gotta run again, will check back tomorrow at some point. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:27, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've been making more edits here and there. Not sure what the appropriate length is. CorporateM (Talk) 05:21, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That looks good! I made a few changes; please tell me what you think. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:21, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Nice. After experiencing some off-wiki harassment, I've learned to take my being anonymous more seriously, so I haven't figured out how I want to handle that regarding the SignPost. I was thinking of using my real identity for the byline, without disclosing my username, though I wouldn't be able to participate in the comments that way.


 * I think what it still needs is a dose of humble. It makes it sound like I have all the answers, when I'm really just learning. It's not as if I never show clear signs of COI or always create the best articles in the world.  CorporateM (Talk) 07:40, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, I think I am done with it, but I also asked a couple editors for their input. I would like to post it from my real-life identity, without any direct link to my username. But I was hoping to keep any personally identifiable information out of my contribution history, so if you could add the information before it goes live (outside my username sanbox). I can email you my personal information if you don't remember from last time. Cheers. CorporateM (Talk) 23:10, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

The edit visualization tool I'm building
A demo of the edit visualization tool I'm building. You could add your feedback or feature requests here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeph paul (talk • contribs) 04:00, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Cup cup cup
I've talked to my ISP, and it looks like I won't have any Internet access my new house until about 6 September (I move on 28 August). I've made a start on the WikiCup newsletter here- obviously, you'll have to shift the final eight when the round actually ends. Anything you've got to add would be welcome. J Milburn (talk) 16:10, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Just leave me a list of things to do and I'll block out time this week to do them. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:27, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Other notes; probably not timed this as well as I could, but Pine talked to me about a WikiCup update in the Signpost, and I'm thinking that now wouldn't be a bad time to open up rules brainstorming and signups for next year. What do you think? J Milburn (talk) 11:14, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I won't be able to do any sort of update for the SP, "News and notes" is going to be hard enough to keep up with. Opening up the rules discussions might be better done after this year's competition, but signups could certainly be opened. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 13:38, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've opened the signups. The newsletter is here- you'll have to double check the ordering and check to make sure the eight I've listed are the ones who made it through (there are some more participant summaries in this revision). Obviously, feel free to make any changes that seem necessary. I typically send it at midnight, but it doesn't matter so much! I assume you know how to use EdwardsBot? Remember to end the newsletter with five tildes for the date- I forgot that once and a couple of people got pretty annoyed. You'll have to blank the submission pages of the eight who got through, and put them into one pool on the main WikiCup page. The round ends at midnight on Thursday, so you've got two days; as long as you can find an hour or so in those two days we should be fine! I think that's everything... J Milburn (talk) 22:40, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * All done! Hopefully it's right... I'll keep an eye on it. Best of luck with the move, J. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:21, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 21 August 2013

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Interested in writing for "In The Media" section
I noticed your call for contributors and would like to help with In The Media. I have access to many news databases and have extensive real world experience in issue tracking. I have edited Wikipedia since 2005. Andrew327 15:17, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! Thanks for the interest. "In the media" is typically written by some combination of User:Keilana, User:Jayen466, and User:Go Phigtins!. I've pinged them here so you can discuss how they can integrate you in the article writing, which takes place off-wiki in a Google Doc. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:21, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, I look forward to hearing from them. Andrew327 13:49, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Andrew, I'm glad to have another person on board. :) When would you like to start helping out? Keilana&#124;Parlez ici 14:52, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I can start today if you'd like. Andrew327 15:00, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Andrew, most of the collaborating for ITM is done over email&mdash;we feel that the quality and newsworthiness of our content is higher when we collaborate off-wiki. Would you send me or Keilana (or both) an email through Special:Emailuser and we can get started? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:59, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Well Ed, you tried to ping me, it's Go Phightins! :-) I am really sorry I have not been around much lately - unforeseen real life hangups have really limited all of my time on Wikipedia.  Go  Phightins  !  19:06, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

, and  (welcome!), could I suggest we always use the same Google doc for drafting? Once the Signpost has been published, we can then scrub the document and re-title it (easily done in Google docs) to reflect the following week's date. This way, the URL always remains the same, and the document only needs to be shared once. Andreas JN 466 08:04, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. :) Let's keep the one we used this week because everyone has access, as far as I know. Keilana&#124;Parlez ici 20:58, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Cool, . I've cleared it, retitled it and added the first link. Andreas JN 466 00:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 August newsletter
This year's final is upon us. Our final eight, in order of last round's score, are:
 * , a WikiCup newcomer who has contributed on topics of military history and physics, including a number of high-importance topics. Good articles have made up the bulk of his points, but he has also scored a great deal of bonus points. He has the second highest score overall so far, with more than 3000 points accumulated.
 * , another WikiCup veteran who reached the finals in 2012, 2011 and 2010. He writes on a variety of topics including botany, mycology and astronomy, and has claimed the highest or joint highest number of featured articles every round so far this year. He has the third highest score overall, with just under 3000 points accumulated.
 * , 2012 WikiCup champion, who writes mostly on marine biology. She has also contributed to high-importance topics, seeing huge numbers of bonus points for high-importance featured and good articles. Previous rounds have seen her scoring the most bonus points, with scoring spread across did you knows, good articles and featured articles.
 * , a WikiCup veteran who finished in second place in 2012, and competed as early as 2009. He writes articles on biology, especially mycology, and has scored highly for a number of collaborations at featured article candidates.
 * , the winner of the 2010 competition. His contributions mostly concern Naval history, and he has scored a very large number of points for good articles and good article reviews in every round. He is the highest scorer overall this year, with over 3500 points in total.
 * , who is competing in the WikiCup for the second time, though this will be her first time in the final. A regular at FAC, she is mostly interested in British medieval history, and has scored very highly for some top-importance featured articles on the topic.
 * , a finalist in 2012 and 2011. He writes on a broad variety of topics, with many of this year's points coming from good articles about Star Trek. Good articles make up the bulk of his points, and he had the most good articles back in round 2; he was also the highest scorer for DYK in rounds 1 and 2.
 * 1) has previously been involved with the WikiCup, but hasn't participated for a number of years. He scores mostly from restoration work leading to featured picture credits, but has also done some article writing and reviewing.

We say goodbye to eight great participants who did not qualify for the final:, , , , , , ,. Having made it to this stage is still an excellent achievement, and you can leave with your heads held high. We hope to see you all again next year. Signups are now open for the 2014 WikiCup, which will begin on 1 January. All Wikipedians, whatever their interest or level of experience, are warmly invited to participate in next year's competition.

This last month has seen some incredible contributions; for instance, Cwmhiraeth's Starfish and Ealdgyth's Battle of Hastings—two highly important, highly viewed pages—made it to featured article status. It would be all too easy to focus solely on these stunning achievements at the expense of those participants working in lower-scoring areas, when in fact all WikiCup participants are doing excellent work. A mention of everything done is impossible, but here are a few: Last round saw the completion of several good topics (on the 1958, 1959 and 1962 Atlantic hurricane seasons) to which 12george1 had contributed. Calvin999 saw "S&M" (song), on which he has been working for several years, through to featured article status on its tenth try. Figureskatingfan continued towards her goal of a broad featured/good topic on Maya Angelou, with two featured and four good articles. ThaddeusB contributed significantly to over 20 articles which appeared on the main page's "in the news" section. Adam Cuerden continued to restore a large number of historical images, resulting in over a dozen FP credits this round alone. The WikiCup is not just about top-importance featured articles, and the work of all of these users is worthy of commendation.

Finally, the usual notices: If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 05:22, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

WAIT A FREAKING MINUTE How am I eliminated? Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:26, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikicup
Hey, Ed, you do realise the Wikicup has another day in this round, right? And that I wasn't eliminated? Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:24, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No, this round ended on the 29th, see WP:CUP, but I agree that you weren't eliminated as you have a dozen or so points more than Piotrus.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:38, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * This is the 29th. In every other round, dates have been inclusive. Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:40, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

News and Notes submission
See Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost. --Pine✉ 06:00, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking now, thanks for the note. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:13, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey
Thanks for the mention in the newsletter for "S&M". It meant a lot to me when I saw it. It's nice to have received a bit of recognition of its promotion after having worked on it for long. — ₳  aron  08:20, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, no problem, but J's the one who wrote it. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:55, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Round 5 WikiCup
Hi Ed, why have the scores been cleared when this round isn't over for another few hours? Sasata (talk) 20:37, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That'd be because I miscalculated the date. See above and on WT:CUP. My apologies, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:44, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you please remove me from the final round and replace with Piotrus? It's not fair to him to be eliminated; I reviewed one of his GANs and was slower than I could have been, working on the assumption that the round was ending at midnight. Sasata (talk) 20:47, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If his and/or Adam's scores change before midnight tonight, I'll be happy to go back and review the changes. Please feel free to revert my blanking and add the GAN, if needed. I'll be offline for at least five hours starting now, sorry. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:52, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that both Adam and Piotrus be allowed to advance. Kudos to Sasata for his offer to let Piotrus advance in his place, but I think that he should advance as well.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:17, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I made the same mistake that you did and thought the round ended on the 28th. So I responded to the last comments of my long-drawn out FAC on Tosa-class battleship and then pinged a delegate to get it promoted as well as the comments on my GAN for List of aircraft maintenance carriers of the Royal Navy when I could have easily waited an extra day to carry them into Round 6. So I'd like to count them for the last round if that's OK.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:49, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * My priorities at the moment are finishing the last of 59 work-hours this week, publishing the Signpost, and then the Cup, sorry. I'll get back to this tonight or at the least tomorrow. Sorry Sturm, etc Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:44, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No rush.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:19, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * And, of course, I've been called into work on the day I have off. Anyway:, if you reviewed a GAN of Piotrus', let's talk and recalculate. , I can't let you carry the points over for the GAN. However, Tosa was promoted today, so please feel free to add it to your round six total. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:24, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I passed a Piotrus GAN at 20:30 on August 29th, which adds 30 points to his total. I'd like to be in the final round, but I'd prefer it even more if Piotrus was in if there can only be 8. Would be happy with 9 in the final round, although I understand the others who didn't qualify might not feel the same way. Sasata (talk) 22:29, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiCup. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:44, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, for fuck's sake, Ed... 02:45, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Nothing against you, Adam! I did what I thought was right, but apparently what I thought didn't match what everyone else thought was right. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 August 2013

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Are you SURE you want that picture?
I couldn't look at it for more than a second without dry-heaving.  Serendi pod ous  12:37, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't think it was that bad, and you really can't see anything on the other one. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:24, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia Highlights from July 2013
Highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation Report and the Wikimedia engineering report for July 2013, with a selection of other important events from the Wikimedia movement About &middot; Subscribe/unsubscribe &middot; Distributed via Global message delivery, 16:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia Foundation highlights
 * Mobile editing
 * Wikipedia Zero comes to India
 * VisualEditor beta launch
 * Data and Trends
 * Financials
 * Other movement highlights
 * Winners of "Wiki Loves Public Art" announced
 * New Board of Trustees member: Ana Toni
 * Buenos Aires edit-a-thon in former military prison