User:Tribe of Tiger/Pallas's cat

I am certain that is a very fine WP editor, who is obviously kind enough to volunteer their time and effort to review articles. On the talkpage, where the GA status is announced, it also says "If you can improve it further, please do so." My initial, delicate, minor copyedit work was reverted, with the Ed sum of "this is a GA". Next, I discovered a rather glaring error, that Pallas's cat survived in 80C/176F environment. This resulted in my being dressed down for using, what was later explained to me, as a non-RS citation for Amplitude, but as others pointed out, the substitution of Amplitude was inappropriate. The article's owner reworded the sentence, so as to exclude the word, amplitude, as their fellows agreed with my objections.

Next, I asked permission on the talkpage to reorganize a paragraph. In order to make my changes clear, I inserted paragraph breaks in my example, but noted they would be removed to "condense" the information into one paragraph, as was proper. Two people did not take the time to read my proposed edit, and instead, focused on the word "condense" without discerning the context. Two other editors understood my meaning,and agreed with the logical reorganization. Again, I was told that because had not noted this problem, it was of no consequence to have information presented in a disorderly fashion, because it was a GA article.

R.I. Pocock
The lowness and width of the summit of the head and the lateral " set " of the ears imparted to this Cat an aspect totally difierent from that of all other species (text-fig. 87). In the latter the inner edge of the ear normally rises obliquely outwards from the top of the head to form, with the outer border, a con- tinuous curve or an acute angle. But in F. onanul the inner border lies normally in the same plane as the top of the head, and meets the vertical outer border at a right angle. This border rises from the head at a point on a level with the outer canthus of the eye.

Since depression of the ears in Cats is an infallible sign of anger or of predatory excitement, the simulation of this act caused by the low and lateral setting of these organs in the Manul imparts to his face a permanent look of ferocity and unrest, quite unlike the placid aspect of other Cats with their ears normally erect.

So far as the Manul is concerned, one practical result of the lowness of the forehead and the lateral setting of the small ears is the power to peer over the edge of an object, like a rock or a fallen tree-trunk, without depressing and closing the ears, and without showing so much of the cranium as most of the " high- headed " Cats do when so occupied.

Other Cats, when watching prey from behind some such point of vantage, always lower the ears so as to make them invisible and, at the same time, partially close them in such a way that quickness of hearing must be interfered with to a greater or less extent. In this, perhaps, may be found the explanation of the peculiar structural features in the head which give the Manul its remarkable physiognomy. Be this as it may, the above-proffered explanation was forcibly suggested by the observation of the liAdng Manul peering over the edge of his sleeping-box and showing a relatively small amount of head above the eyes, the ears at the time being scarcely perceptibly depressed and not in any sense closed.

Walled Garden
I seem to have wandered by mistake into a walled garden. I had often wondered what this might entail, but now I think I understand. Because of my long-term interest in Jaguar, I discovered Pallas's cat, where I made a number of prose corrections. These were instantly reverted, with the reason: this was reviewed twice, both as a GA and a DYK. I wasn't too sure about this line of reasoning, but in the meanwhile, I read the talkpage, to get a feel for what was going on. Another editor had noted a problem, and been told that the information was sourced. I attempted to read the source, and asked for the book page. At first, I thought that everything was okay, and said so on the TP. But later, I looked again, enlarging my screen, and realized that things were most definitely off. The article had stated that Pallas's cat lived at 80C/176F, and this did not seem logical. But, as I was told, it was sourced and the article was a GA.

Finally, it dawned on me, that no mammal on earth could live at this temperature, and that this was an unobtainable air temperature on this planet. I managed to enlarge my screen, so that I could read the source, and realized that the editor had misread the source. 80C/176F was the "amplitude" between the highest and lowest temperature that Pallas's cat could endure. (-50C to 30C) I made the correction, but because I thought I needed to supply a readable source to explain "amplitude", I found one online. Although I had been required to argue with this editor, twice, once they accepted my correction, they gave me four words of thanks, and then proceeded to take me to task for my online source for amplitude. Instead, they substituted Amplitude, a classical physics article, which had nothing to do with the definition of amplitude, as noted in Pallas's cat. When I objected, they called in five or so friends to support them. One of them stated clearly that Amplitude was a poor reference, but explained to me that my source was not a RS. This was perfectly acceptable to me, and if the first editor had said so...but no. It was a GA...etc.

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 * After some research on Google, etc., I retract my objections to the Geptner/Heptner situation. I am willing to admit my misunderstanding of the situation, as I am unfamiliar with Russian...perhaps you will understand that the different spellings look a bit strange. You obviously have a better understanding concerning Russian names, and I respect your ability.


 * As an exchange of faith, could you possibly give credence to my own previous Good Faith "English prose" corrections that you reverted in the past, as well as the current logical organizational corrections that I have made to one paragraph of this article? I have no desire to disparage your accomplishments, or those of, but these articles are complex, and benefit from the efforts of several editors, working towards a common goal. Please accept my desire to help WP by doing my part to edit the prose and the organization of this article, as I have done for other articles.

Ah ha...please note that my reference to condensing Geptner, had to do with the fact that two citations to the same source were repeated one after the other! I wasn't intending to condense Geptner's info, just the two repeated citations. I thought this would have been made clear, to even a casual reader. Very sorry that I did not explain this, so you could understand.

GA articles
If an article has been awarded GA status, does this mean that it should remain in stasis, and no other corrections, prose edits, etc., are allowed? Many, if not most of my edits at Pallas's cat have been reverted by one editor, because, as they state, it is a GA. I had to argue to correct an incorrect, but "GA" supported fact that a mammal could exist at 80C/176F!! The Characteristic section skips between body areas. A heavily used citation spells the author's name as Geptner, versus Heptner, as shown on the book title. There are simple prose problems which I could correct, if the article was not a GA, and its owner would allow me to do so.

Now, I have attempted to insert a paragraph break in an overly long lede paragraph. When I looked at the wiki text, there was, originally, a long white space after "South Siberian Mountains". The next line began with "In these regions". [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pallas%27s_cat&diff=1008761094&oldid=1008754657] Usually, this sort of text markup indicates that a paragraph break was intended, but not actually inserted. Otherwise, why would so much white space have been left? Normally, if text is intended to be a continuous paragraph, the period of a sentence is followed by one space, and the next sentence begins....From the standpoint of the information, this is the place for a paragraph break, to differentiate between topics/information. In my edit, the first paragraph describes specific countries/geographical regions. The second paragraph describes the specific attributes of the regions, camouflage, shelter and prey. I merely wished to insert a paragraph break, yet this small, logical change was reverted. I apologize for having to address this minor matter on the talkpage, but it seems to be the only way I can gain permission to edit this article.

Pallas's cat, current article, 18 February 2021
The Pallas's cat's fur is light grey with pale yellowish-ochre or pale yellowish-reddish hues. Its forehead and top of the head is light grey with small black spots. It has two black zigzag lines on the cheeks running from the corner of the eyes to the jaw joints, and five to seven dark transversal lines across the lower back. Some hair tips are white and some blackish. Its chin, whiskers, lower and upper lips are white. It has narrow black stripes on the back, and its grey tail has seven narrow black rings and a black tip. Its fur is greyer and denser with less markings visible in winter than in the summer. The underfur is 40 mm long and 19 μm thick, and the guard hairs up to 69 mm long and 93 μm thick on the back. Its fur is soft and dense with up to 9,000 hairs per cm2 (9,000 /cm2).

Pallas's cat, paragraph one, break down
The Pallas's cat's fur is light grey with pale yellowish-ochre or pale yellowish-reddish hues.

Its forehead and top of the head is light grey with small black spots. It has two black zigzag lines on the cheeks running from the corner of the eyes to the jaw joints,

and five to seven dark transversal lines across the lower back.

Some hair tips are white and some blackish.

Its chin, whiskers, lower and upper lips are white.

It has narrow black stripes on the back, and its grey tail has seven narrow black rings and a black tip. Its fur is greyer and denser with less markings visible in winter than in the summer. The underfur is 40 mm long and 19 μm thick, and the guard hairs up to 69 mm long and 93 μm thick on the back. Its fur is soft and dense with up to 9,000 hairs per cm2 (9,000 /cm2).

, I would like to ask permission to edit a paragraph, if you please... In the first paragraph under [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pallas%27s_cat&oldid=1006525105#Characteristics Characteristics], first, we have an overview of the fur. Next, two sentences regarding facial features. Then, transversal lines on lower back. Cmts per hair tips. Then, back to facial attributes. Then, back down to the back and tail, followed by fur in winter vs summer and then the details regarding fur composition. This info skips around. Surely each type of information should be more closed grouped together?

Here is my proposed edit:

The Pallas's cat's fur is light grey with pale yellowish-ochre or pale yellowish-reddish hues. Some hair tips are white and some blackish. Its fur is greyer and denser with less markings visible in winter than in the summer. {[provides an overview]}

The forehead and top of the head is light grey with small black spots. It has two black zigzag lines on the cheeks running from the corner of the eyes to the jaw joints. Its chin, whiskers, lower and upper lips are white.  {[facial features]}

It has narrow black stripes on the back, consisting of five to seven dark transversal lines across the lower back. and its grey tail has seven narrow black rings and a black tip.  {[back and tail]}

The underfur is 40 mm long and 19 μm thick, and the guard hairs up to 69 mm long and 93 μm thick on the back. Its fur is soft and dense with up to 9,000 hairs per cm2 (9,000 /cm2). {[underfur]}

Of course, the bolded comments would be removed, and the sentences condensed into a single paragraph. Also, the last two citations to Geptner1972, could also be "condensed". Please let me know what you think, and if I am allowed to make this edit. Thanks!

Revise paragraph one, keep body parts together
The Pallas's cat's fur is light grey with pale yellowish-ochre or pale yellowish-reddish hues. Its fur is greyer and denser with less markings visible in winter than in the summer. The underfur is 40 mm long and 19 μm thick, and the guard hairs up to 69 mm long and 93 μm thick on the back. Its fur is soft and dense with up to 9,000 hairs per cm2 (9,000 /cm2). Some hair tips are white and some blackish. The forehead and top of the head is light grey with small black spots. It has two black zigzag lines on the cheeks running from the corner of the eyes to the jaw joints. Its chin, whiskers, lower and upper lips are white. (It has narrow black stripes on the back) and five to seven dark transversal lines across the lower back. and its grey tail has seven narrow black rings and a black tip.

Paragraph one, next revision
The Pallas's cat's fur is light grey with pale yellowish-ochre or pale yellowish-reddish hues. Some hair tips are white and some blackish. Its fur is greyer and denser with less markings visible in winter than in the summer. {[provides an overview]}

The forehead and top of the head is light grey with small black spots. It has two black zigzag lines on the cheeks running from the corner of the eyes to the jaw joints. Its chin, whiskers, lower and upper lips are white.  {[facial features]}

It has narrow black stripes on the back, consisting of five to seven dark transversal lines across the lower back. and its grey tail has seven narrow black rings and a black tip.  {[back and tail]}

The underfur is 40 mm long and 19 μm thick, and the guard hairs up to 69 mm long and 93 μm thick on the back. Its fur is soft and dense with up to 9,000 hairs per cm2 (9,000 /cm2). {[underfur]}

Paragraph one, final revision
The Pallas's cat's fur is light grey with pale yellowish-ochre or pale yellowish-reddish hues. Some hair tips are white and some blackish. Its fur is greyer and denser with less markings visible in winter than in the summer. The forehead and top of the head is light grey with small black spots. It has two black zigzag lines on the cheeks running from the corner of the eyes to the jaw joints. Its chin, whiskers, lower and upper lips are white. It has narrow black stripes on the back, consisting of five to seven dark transversal lines across the lower back. and its grey tail has seven narrow black rings and a black tip. The underfur is 40 mm long and 19 μm thick, and the guard hairs up to 69 mm long and 93 μm thick on the back. Its fur is soft and dense with up to 9,000 hairs per cm2 (9,000 /cm2).

Eyes Revise paragraph two
Its eyes are encircled by white, an feature a yellowish iris, whose pupils contract to small circular slits in sunlight. Its ears are grey with a yellowish tinge on the back and a darker rim, but with whitish hair in front and in the ear pinnae. Its rounded ears are set low on the side, so that it can peer over an object and show only a relatively small part of the head above the eyes without depressing the ears. This gives its face a look of ferocity and unrest.

The eyes are encircled by white fur, and feature a yellowish iris, whose pupils contract to small circular slits in sunlight. The cat's rounded ears are grey with a yellowish tinge on the back and a darker rim, but with whitish hair in front and in the ear pinnae. They are set low on the side of the head, so the cat can peer over an object and show only a relatively small part of the head above the eyes without depressing the ears. This gives its face a look of ferocity and unrest.