User:Urthogie/create


 * Jewish hip hop
 * How would this be defined anyway? Hip-hop by Jews or Israeli hip-hop? Not you, nor anybody else, is creating the article yet. MOD 12:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It refers to hip hop by Jews, which will overlap greatly with Israeli hip hop.--Urthogie 13:07, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Then what's the point of making it? That's like making American hip-hop alongside Hip-hop. MOD 13:08, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * American hip hop. Very useful article, as it covers regional scenes in much more depth.--Urthogie 13:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * What would Jewish hip-hop cover that Israeli hip-hop would not, then? In any other world hip-hop article, geography and regions are not, if ever, mentioned. And I'm aware that American hip-hop exists, I was illustrating a point. MOD 13:12, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Israeli hip hop would be partially dealing with religious hip hop and partly dealing with political middle east type hip hop(and of course the partying thats in all hip hop). Jewish hip hop would deal solely with the relgious and ethnic element, and would allow us to explore that subject specifically.  Also, an article on Jewish hip hop would allow us to explore how the Jewish identity has been handled by various Jewish hip hop artists.--Urthogie 13:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I discern a barely slight difference between the two. Apparently the former is dealing with politics and the latter is dealing with ethnicity. I don't see a good reason for this, since Jews of all the world can talk about Middle Eastern politics and not every Jew in the world is Israeli, therefore the "ethnic element" is lost on Chinese and Ethiopian Jews. A unified Israeli hip-hop would include worldwide Jewish and Israeli hip-hop artists. The split between the two only creates ambiguous differences and, like you pointed out, needless overlap. MOD 13:24, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Black ethiopian jews actually have closer DNA to Jews than other ethiopians. But thats besides the point.  The point is that Israeli hip hop is like a large subset of Jewish hip hop-- that is, Jewish hip hop should have been made first with a main or seealso link to Israeli hip hop.--Urthogie 13:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Having Jewish and Israeli separate hip-hop articles is akin to having separate Roman Catholic and Italian hip-hop articles. It doesn't matter how close the DNA of an Ethiopian is to an Israeli or an Ashkenazi. What's important is that if they're a follower of Judaism or if they're a native Israeli, they should both be under a unified Israeli hip-hop article. It's not to reduce the significance of the ethnicity or the significance of the religion. It's to reduce confusion and redundancy. P.S.: If Jewish hip-hop should have come first, Israeli hip-hop should be integrated into it. There aren't scores of Jewish hip-hop artists and there aren't scores of Israeli hip-hop artists either. One article will suffice. MOD 21:24, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Roman Catholic hip hop is a subset of Christian hip hop.--Urthogie 14:35, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well you made my point, then. Israeli hip-hop will be integrated into Jewish hip-hop. MOD 18:01, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course it would, but it would also have its own article, as it currently does, for more info.--Urthogie 16:45, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * What's the concrete difference between the two that warrants a separate article again? I'd imagine Israeli hip-hop artists are the most relevant to Jewish hip-hop, followed by religious Jews. MOD 20:43, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Both include things the other doesn't. Israeli hip hop would include Israeli Arabs, and Jewish hip hop would include Jews in the diaspora.--Urthogie 09:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Rhythmic cadence/Cadence (rhythm)